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[Yellonet]

TLBFestus, on 29 August 2015 - 11:40 PM, said:

So, in essence, you are saying that no matter what your problems are with the game be sure to "stay positive" and "keep it civil".

That's a tall order to achieve when you consider that if you choose to be negative in anyway you get "deathballed" by white knight/true beliebers. Ok...that's a bit of an exaggeration these days, but the point being that a lot of the "negative" criticism PGI has gotten is well and truly earned by PGI itself. It's not created out of the blue, and in most cases is intended as a positive criticism to improve the game.

Civil yes, positive in the form of being constructive.

If there is something that you don't like, it's not enough to say that it sucks, one should always give a reason as to why one thinks something sucks (preferably worded differently) and it's also very important to give an alternative solution.

Real criticism is never negative if given in a civil manner. Just saying how bad something is without a reason or without a solution is sure to antagonize players and developers.

[Yellonet]

Kjudoon, on 30 August 2015 - 01:17 AM, said:

When something is positive and encouraging, I will do so. When it deserves acidic scrutiny I will give it. PGI has promised me a "Thinking Man's Shooter" (and the howls of rage go up from the Ramboskirmish set) among other things found in an immersive, compelling environment. What do I have? Pewpewdurkadurka beavis and butthead matches loaded up with trolls, cheaters and some scary individuals. My hail mary pass is in the air right now. We shall see if PGI catches it for the win, or drops it and I'm in the wind.

I love Mechwarrior. I do not love MWO right now. Please give me a reason to love it instead of making me feel like I went through a bitter divorce.

Why don't you love MWO?
How would you change it if you could?
You say "Thinking Man's Shooter", but what does that really mean to you?

Edited by Yellonet, 30 August 2015 - 01:29 AM.

[stjobe]

Yellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Well, I've been here a while now

No you haven't. You've been here a month.

When I had been here a month, it was still September, 2012 and we weren't out of closed beta yet.

Yellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

the attitude towards PGI and towards specific developers is absolutely disgusting and completely undeserved.

With one month under your belt, you're in no position - and, frankly, you don't have the right - to talk about whether the attitude towards PGI and towards specific developers is deserved or undeserved. You have no clue.

You have no clue about the history we - PGI and their long-standing player base - have.

Come back and make this same thread in a year or three, when they've gone "our position at the time" on some of the things you were excited about them saying they'd put in, or when they've declared you "not the target demographic" after you spent hundreds of your hard-earned cash on them because of the promises they made, or when you've been told you are "on an island" for daring to criticize the balance of their game.

[Vlad Ward]

I am also a closed beta era founder.

The attitude towards PGI and towards specific developers is absolutely disgusting and completely disproportional and the fact that grown men are still so salty over things that happened literal years ago is childish and disappointing in the extreme.

There. Is that better?

[Kjudoon]

Yellonet, on 30 August 2015 - 01:28 AM, said:

Why don't you love MWO?
How would you change it if you could?
You say "Thinking Man's Shooter", but what does that really mean to you?

The list is long and would start with everything in my signature line done

[Furious Zen Master]

"This is the worst game I've played in a long time! It sucks!" <--- Toxic troll, uses strong language instead of making reasoned argument.

"This is the best game I've played in a long time! It rocks!" <--- ???

[Yellonet]

stjobe, on 30 August 2015 - 01:29 AM, said:

No you haven't. You've been here a month.

Yep, plenty of time to get a feel for this forum.

stjobe, on 30 August 2015 - 01:29 AM, said:

When I had been here a month, it was still September, 2012 and we weren't out of closed beta yet.

With one month under your belt, you're in no position - and, frankly, you don't have the right - to talk about whether the attitude towards PGI and towards specific developers is deserved or undeserved. You have no clue.

You have no clue about the history we - PGI and their long-standing player base - have.

I've heard all the clues I need in acid posts steaming with hate towards the developer, but you know what, it doesn't matter, I see nothing of that, I see a great game that is likely to get even better with all the new stuff that is coming.
And I do understand that developers sometime needs to change things even though some fans do not like those changes, it happens with pretty much every game.
Giving the developer crap for doing the hard choices is only going to drive them away and listen to the players less and less. Of course you should say what you feel, but in a constructive manner.

stjobe, on 30 August 2015 - 01:29 AM, said:

Come back and make this same thread in a year or three, when they've gone "our position at the time" on some of the things you were excited about them saying they'd put in, or when they've declared you "not the target demographic" after you spent hundreds of your hard-earned cash on them because of the promises they made, or when you've been told you are "on an island" for daring to criticize the balance of their game.

An honest question; why are you here? It seems you have no faith in PGI at all, so if everything just keeps getting worse you may just be tormenting yourself by sticking around.

Edited by Yellonet, 30 August 2015 - 01:43 AM.

[Yellonet]

Major Tryhard, on 30 August 2015 - 01:41 AM, said:

"This is the worst game I've played in a long time! It sucks!" <--- Toxic troll, uses strong language instead of making reasoned argument.

"This is the best game I've played in a long time! It rocks!" <--- ???

Yep, both of those are almost equally useless statements.
I'd call the positive poster a Fairy - also a fantasy being, but more of a positive one.

[Scout Derek]

So without a doubt there's a reason for everything, weather we like to say it or not.

Trolls don't troll for nothing, they do it for pleasure, or out of anger against something.

People don't whine for nothing, they do it out of despair or in anger at something they cannot control that causes them to behave in such a erratic behavior.

People don't suggest ideas or ways to improve things for nothing, they do it out of the fact to make the bad things better or things that are already good even better.


What happens if the first two continue on without check?


Thus, is why the forums have become the way they are, because

People.

Aren't.

Constructive.


This is why certain things happen and don't happen, why we get certain mechs over others, or weather x function should be fixed over y function.


This is a example of how bad people can get when playing a game, and how much one can change(names shall not be named but it is from the game known as League of Legends):

Spoiler

I am toxic, I have been playing this game since season 1 and by the time season 3 came around I began being toxic as ****. I received a 126 game chat restriction a few days ago and have about 90 games left on it. I want to spend those next 90 games of trying to actually reform myself so I can get my MMR back up to low diamond so I can finally get into diamond.

The thing is, I don't know if I CAN change. Most of my rage/trolling now comes from people's decision making, thought process, and the way they play. Example: I was playing GP today and in lobby I was just ranting about how everyone is autistic because they can't build properly. I told them if they don't want to build properly, why should I? Amumu said he would go tank, but he went spectral into rylais with sorc shoes.

I sold everything and went AP GP and threw the game. I knew what I was doing at the time and my intention was to lose. I kept asking "if you won't build properly, why should I?" I have been threatening people with troll building every time I see something stupid like going athenes on a support over crucible.

Personally, I think that my rage/trolling attitude has come from playing this game for so long yet due to it being a team game, I get frustrated when I try my best, do the right builds, and then some random guy comes in with 0 defensive runes and does an improper build that will probably lose us the game. I don't want to spend 10 minutes in game telling him WHY he should be building tanky on a jungler or WHY crucible is better than athenes (and really, if you need the CDR and AP, get a morellonomicon as your 4th item).

But I want to change, I simply do not know how. "take a break" Yes, I do that. Last season I had a total of 1814 ranked games, this season I'll probably have 400-600 less games. It still doesn't change the fact that next game is still going to have someone that can't build properly.

"Don't care what they build, play for yourself" Sure, I do. But their build DIRECTLY affects the outcome of the game I want to win. It's stupid to play a team game with a mentality of not caring what your team mates do. It's like me playing hockey, and skating around in a circle while a play goes on in their zone.

"shout out loud" does literally nothing for me. It doesn't vent my frustration, it doesn't change the fact that their build is literally ****, and it doesn't change the fact that almost every game is filled with at least one person doing a god awful build.

You can post my chat logs of me flaming, I don't care. I am asking you what I should do to improve my attitude. I just want to get my MMR back up and be challenged by diamond players. I want to feel like I once did when I was learning and not like I'm in some hell hole that I'll never get out of. I KNOW I can play at that level, mechanically.

[Kjudoon]

Actually, PvP brings out the worst in people in my experience. I go to DCUO and look at all the forums that are not devoted to PvP, and they're positively brilliant in comparison to this joint. I go into the PvP and it's much uglier. Not as bad as this, because Daybreak (nee Sony Online Entertainment) will not put up with the shennanigans PGI calls SOP, and when they kick/ban, they do it fast and mean it. So... their environment is far better, and positively dreamy in the PvE areas.

It's when egos from competition get to run the roost you get rancid two-holers like this place where there's not enough lye in the world to deal with it.

[Y E O N N E]

So what I'm getting from a lot of this is something that has been stated many, many times over:

We need separate queues for ranked and unranked games. The people who are in it to win it can get their fix in the ranked games that actually reward such behavior while those who just want to derp around in joke 'Mechs can play in the unranked games and not get penalized for it with a hit to ranking or K/D or whatever.

[Vlad Ward]

Eh.

CW may as well be called ranked queue for all the difference it makes in this scenario. It certainly doesn't stop people from getting upset when they lose in unranked (current solo queue).

It's a race to the bottom. If you're not running stock IS 3025 mechs, you're gonna rustle jimmies.

[KharnZor]

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amazing thread.
I'll speak my mind whenever i choose to do so. If you dont like what i have to say block me.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yellonet, on 30 August 2015 - 01:03 AM, said:

Maybe it's time to let that baggage go, it's not doing anyone any good.
A bad attitude will not get you anything good. A positive and encouraging attitude however, might.

Ignoring the past tends to have it repeat on you

Yellonet, on 30 August 2015 - 01:48 AM, said:

Yep, both of those are almost equally useless statements.
I'd call the positive poster a Fairy - also a fantasy being, but more of a positive one.

Theyre called White Knights

KharnZor, on 30 August 2015 - 03:43 AM, said:

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amazing thread.
I'll speak my mind whenever i choose to do so. If you dont like what i have to say block me.

Ignore is there for a reason, OP use it

[Amsro]

[Vlad Ward]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 30 August 2015 - 04:55 AM, said:

Ignoring the past tends to have it repeat on you

And staying mad over a design decision made 2 years ago by a video game developer tends to get your comments tossed in the loony pile that the interns scroll through for entertainment on their lunch breaks.

This forum is so far off its rocker that I literally posted a copy-paste from the creative director of the studio stating "This is how this new matchmaker mechanic works" and was greeted by a crowd of "That guy's always wrong," "He has no idea what he's talking about," and "Screw that guy, I lost my last game 12-0 so he's lying."

Executives occasionally misinterpret the compu-speak that engineers throw their way. It happens in every company, in every industry, ever. But PGI has made a point in recent years of letting their engineers write up the language for basically everything remotely technical on these boards - for all the good it does them with a community like this.

It's embarrassing to see the kind of blind hatred and mistrust that permeates this board.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 30 August 2015 - 05:17 AM.

[Piney II]

The forum has been much worse in the past. It's actually pretty tranquil these days.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Vlad Ward, on 30 August 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

And staying mad over a design decision made 2 years ago by a video game developer tends to get your comments tossed in the loony pile that the interns scroll through for entertainment on their lunch breaks.

And so does not seeing any issues with the game

but funnily neither happens here

[Vlad Ward]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 30 August 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

And so does not seeing any issues with the game

but funnily neither happens here

I have plenty of quips about game mechanics and content. But all you have to do is read this thread to find people who are still mad about things like 3PV and coolant shots.

I was irked by the addition of coolant consumables, too. Then I got over it.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Vlad Ward, on 30 August 2015 - 05:46 AM, said:

I have plenty of quips about game mechanics and content.

supposedly all white knights do. Theyre also the ones that always tout the line that theyre "the first ones that hold their feet to the fire"

lol

Well thats what they say

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 30 August 2015 - 05:59 AM.