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[Escef]

El Bandito, on 14 September 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

If you actually read my OP you wouldn't be asking this question, I tied up two Assaults in the tunnel, killed one, and then killed the third Assault by coring it from the back. A total of 2 kills, 5 assists and 358 damage--which is higher than an average teammate's performance. Not even 100K reward for that.

So, what, you went all Rambo? Is that what you're saying? The reward system is there to reward team play. If you go all Rambo and succeed, well, that should be its own reward.

[TwentyOne]

FupDup, on 13 September 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

World of Tramps shouldn't be used as the baseline for video game design.

No, but warthunder tanks is quite good!

[El Bandito]

Escef, on 14 September 2015 - 01:08 AM, said:

So, what, you went all Rambo? Is that what you're saying? The reward system is there to reward team play. If you go all Rambo and succeed, well, that should be its own reward.

What I have been saying from the beginning is that the rewards are low. Heck, it is the lowest in the history of MWO. I earned more during R&R days, and I earned more during 8v8 days. All the while doing far less effort.

Steam boys are not gonna stick around if the reward system is as is.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 September 2015 - 01:15 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

El Bandito, on 14 September 2015 - 12:56 AM, said:

Plus or minus 2.

yeah
it makes me think that vlad ward was right when he said that competitive players might actually be placed to tier 3 or so

[Speedy Plysitkos]

while i had never a match under 100k cb with the same +- results, it must be a rare to get cbill bonus like that.

What i see there, is skirmish, and 2 components ONLY destroyed.

[Joseph Mallan]

Everyone thinks they should be paid like rockstars. OP you played like a clutch player. Your scores were not Amazing, they were good. You were paid accordingly.

[Yokaiko]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 September 2015 - 02:08 AM, said:

Everyone thinks they should be paid like rockstars. OP you played like a clutch player. Your scores were not Amazing, they were good. You were paid accordingly.

When you consider the 50 or so million to buy master and mod a set of mechs, pay is pretty bad.

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 September 2015 - 02:08 AM, said:

Everyone thinks they should be paid like rockstars. OP you played like a clutch player. Your scores were not Amazing, they were good. You were paid accordingly.

My scores were decent. The pay was not. (unless you consider 90K to be good pay for your level) That's the issue.

Titannium, on 14 September 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

while i had never a match under 100k cb with the same +- results, it must be a rare to get cbill bonus like that.

What i see there, is skirmish, and 2 components ONLY destroyed.

And those two components were both CTs. Assault mech CTs. I was being efficient and the reward system gave me the finger. Not to mention the assists and the damage done.

Fact is the rewards are noticeably lower than pre-12 v12. Compared with before, you get lower pay when you do well in a victory, lower pay when you do bad in a victory, lower pay when you do bad in a loss, and only higher pay when you do well in a loss. So in 3/4 of the situation PGI screwed us over in the name of rewards rebalancing.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 September 2015 - 02:38 AM.

[TheCharlatan]

For me PSR has made games a lot more intresting, but it has also killed my income.
I feel very frustrated when i get insta-jibbed game after game after game in my fast movers due to the huge alphas (and good aim) that i meet.
I have to get better, i understand... but in the meanwhile i gain almost nothing.
And gaining nothing is not a good gaming experience.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

TheCharlatan, on 14 September 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

For me PSR has made games a lot more intresting, but it has also killed my income.
I feel very frustrated when i get insta-jibbed game after game after game in my fast movers due to the huge alphas (and good aim) that i meet.
I have to get better, i understand... but in the meanwhile i gain almost nothing.
And gaining nothing is not a good gaming experience.

you must go tier lower.

[Joseph Mallan]

El Bandito, on 14 September 2015 - 02:27 AM, said:

My scores were decent. The pay was not. (unless you consider 90K to be good pay for your level) That's the issue.

You did 350 damage... and 2 kills. I don't care what tier you are on, that isn't a lot of work. You phoned that match match in El. You did average and were paid accordingly.

Yokaiko, on 14 September 2015 - 02:10 AM, said:

When you consider the 50 or so million to buy master and mod a set of mechs, pay is pretty bad.

When you consider your vehicle is made for a Government to protect their realm... Are you a Great House?

[Yokaiko]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 September 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

You did 350 damage... and 2 kills. I don't care what tier you are on, that isn't a lot of work. You phoned that match match in El. You did average and were paid accordingly.


When you consider your vehicle is made for a Government to protect their realm... Are you a Great House?

Really? Role playing.

Think of the newbies when it dawns on them they are going to have to grind for a month if they want one effective chassis. You now real ****.

[Joseph Mallan]

Yokaiko, on 14 September 2015 - 03:04 AM, said:

Really? Role playing.

Think of the newbies when it dawns on them they are going to have to grind for a month if they want one effective chassis. You now real ****.

Wow... thats a lot of exaggeration there Yoka. It never took me a month to grind out that one variant I was going to play. Now it might take that long for Clanners cause the cost of Omnis is inflated for IS Black Market purchase but That is a slightly different story.

[El Bandito]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 September 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

You did 350 damage... and 2 kills. I don't care what tier you are on, that isn't a lot of work. You phoned that match match in El. You did average and were paid accordingly.

Obviously you standards are much lower than mine. My average pay according to my stats is 124K.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 September 2015 - 03:09 AM.

[Appogee]

I had a game last night where I got a kill, 250 damage, and received 45000 CBills with Premium Time running.

(I was the only person on my team that killed anything, before the rest of the team derped into oblivion.)

What a joke. First you get handed a cr4ppy team, you achieve more than any of them ... and then you're punished with low earnings and XP because they couldn't pull their weight.

Edited by Appogee, 14 September 2015 - 03:13 AM.

[Kyynele]

Just to keep things in perspective, I saw this thread yesterday, and happened to get a very similar battle performance in one match I played. I don't usually even look at the earnings page. But based on this, I would assume that the OP's earnings in that match are exceptionally low (which by itself can merit creating a thread like this), and not a good measure of what people actually get per match.

2 kills, 5 assists, 365 damage:



Yes, I had premium time on. For comparison's sake, with premium time on, the OP's C-bill rewards would've been around 140k.

[Yokaiko]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 September 2015 - 03:08 AM, said:

Wow... thats a lot of exaggeration there Yoka. It never took me a month to grind out that one variant I was going to play. Now it might take that long for Clanners cause the cost of Omnis is inflated for IS Black Market purchase but That is a slightly different story.

At 100,000 a game average (and I can barely get that without premium and heros) you are looking at three hundred games for a set of three build 10,000mil mechs, NOW unless they are the same type of loadout do it again for a set of modules.

No consumables,
No experimenting with builds
JUST buying the loadouts you are going to run.

Even if you go "cheap" and use an Omni and move the pods and modules your overall cost for a Stormcrow is around 48,000,000 ...or 480 games at 100,000 and 10 minutes a game average that is still 80 hours of play time.

......you game 20 hours a week? I don't.

I'm not exagerating in the least



That is 790 damage with a Huggin.

Edited by Yokaiko, 14 September 2015 - 03:19 AM.

[Red Shrike]

Yokaiko, on 14 September 2015 - 03:04 AM, said:

Really? Role playing.

Something I miss in MWO.

[Yokaiko]

Timberwolf581, on 14 September 2015 - 03:19 AM, said:

Something I miss in MWO.

This game is never going to be more than an arena shooter.

[Joseph Mallan]

Yokaiko, on 14 September 2015 - 03:17 AM, said:

At 100,000 a game average (and I can barely get that without premium and heros) you are looking at three hundred games for a set of three build 10,000mil mechs, NOW unless they are the same type of loadout do it again for a set of modules.

No consumables,
No experimenting with builds
JUST buying the loadouts you are going to run.

Even if you go "cheap" and use an Omni and move the pods and modules your overall cost for a Stormcrow is around 48,000,000 ...or 480 games at 100,000 and 10 minutes a game average that is still 80 hours of play time.

......you game 20 hours a week? I don't.

I'm not exagerating in the least



That is 790 damage with a Huggin.

is that a good game for you? I wouldn't know, I suck in Ravens, so a 90K game in one would be awesome.