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[Red Shrike]

bad arcade kitty, on 13 September 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

post a vid of your game if you want specific advice

Will do. But not tonight.

[El Bandito]

Steve Pryde, on 13 September 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Is that the Banshee cockpit? There is the problem. Too low damage with an assault. That's normally what u do with a medium/heavy mech.

Completely irrelevant to the point at hand. Even if I did such numbers with Medium/Heavy, the rewards are too low.

Enigma102083, on 13 September 2015 - 02:29 PM, said:

In the Church of the LRM5, you can expell those filthy thetin LRMs from inside your body onto the bodies of your enemies.

Only 188K with Premium Time for all that damage done? That's just sad.

[LordNothing]

im actually making more cbills running lights because of all the scout bonuses, circle around and shoot the enemy in the side for flanking bonuses, tagging everyone for assists (if you see a spider sweeping his large laser across your formation, its not bad aim, its cbill farming). still not enough to use consumables as much as i used to.

[Red Shrike]

El Bandito, on 13 September 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Only 188K with Premium Time for all that damage done? That's just sad.

I still got 3,624 hours of banked prem time, but I never seem to get myself to activate it. If only I could activate it 1-2 days at a time instead of 30.

[Nightmare1]

IraqiWalker, on 13 September 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

The rewards system is still **************************** though.

Even when you have excellent performance, you're getting about 350 K. That's with premium time, and a hero/pack/loyalty mech bonus. Which is a disgrace. Because the average player makes about 90K a match. If they use 2 consumables, that's only 10K a match.

I disagree, my rewards have gone up 50,000 to 80,000 since the new system rolled out. I'm really liking it.

[Enigma102083]

El Bandito, on 13 September 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Completely irrelevant to the point at hand. Even if I did such numbers with Medium/Heavy, the rewards are too low.




Only 188K with Premium Time for all that damage done? That's just sad.

You guys do realize that was a defeat right? 188k on a loss is really not bad, if my team hadn't been full of 'tards that don't know what combined arms and fire and manuver is that would have easily been a 250-280k game.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Enigma102083, on 13 September 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

You guys do realize that was a defeat right? 188k on a loss is really not bad, if my team hadn't been full of 'tards that don't know what combined arms and fire and manuver is that would have easily been a 250-280k game.

It woulda been just over a 200k game, as you woulda gotten the 25k for a win.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Savior kills, scouting, tagging every mech for an assist, and conquest is where its at. Those generate the most extra cbills.

[topgun505]

Now. Imagine it was a scout mech that did this. (Which these numbers would be pretty typical of for an average-to-good light pilot). Now factor in he blew a UAV to help pinpoint enemy locations, and an arty strike to soften them up.

So a net total of 12,000 cbills for the match after consumables. For a WIN no less.

Yeah sure ... I understand for a FTP game there must be some amount of grind to make it a challenge to get enough in game currency to buy stuff. But come on .... averaging as low as 20k cbills per match for a win .... when most mechs are 4 million+ cbills? So average upwards of 200+ games just to afford the mech. Then you have to grind more for the double heat sink tax, etc. There's a difference between a grind and an all-out bloody death march.

El Bandito, on 13 September 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Cmon, PGI. Two kills, five assists, 358 damage is more than an average person on the team does, and I get only 92,755 C-Bills for that? Even the XP reward is disappointing, since if we discount the double XP weekend, I got only 850 XP.



I feel sorry for the newcomers.

Edited by topgun505, 13 September 2015 - 04:18 PM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

topgun505, on 13 September 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

Now. Imagine it was a scout mech that did this. (Which these numbers would be pretty typical of for an average-to-good light pilot). Now factor in he blew a UAV to help pinpoint enemy locations, and an arty strike to soften them up.

So a net total of 12,000 cbills for the match after consumables. For a WIN no less.

Yeah sure ... I understand for a FTP game there must be some amount of grind to make it a challenge to get enough in game currency to buy stuff. But come on .... averaging as low as 20k cbills per match for a win .... when most mechs are 4 million+ cbills? So average upwards of 200+ games just to afford the mech. Then you have to grind more for the double heat sink tax, etc. There's a difference between a grind and an all-out bloody death march.

THere is no good reason to make the grind like it is in this game. But, its just another reason no one plays this game...and why those that do leave....

A Game should not be a 2nd job just to get no where....atleast in RL when we slave 40hrs a week at a job, we go home with a paycheck to do something with.....this game, you play 40 hours, you might have enough to buy a single ERLL...

[Naduk]

looks like you were way to focused on the killing part
you must support your team if you want to earn the real coin
kills on the score board dont mean anything more than assists if you did not have a major hand in taking them out OR save your team mate from doom

make sure that what ever you are looking at always press R and target it (especially if your a brawler with no lockon weapons)
if you target someone and someone else shoots it you will get more points for assisting your team
the more this happens and the longer the more score you get
i have out scored direwolfs just with target sharing for LRMs

use UAV to break ECM , take bap on your mechs or a tag laser for extra target sharing points and ecm breaking points
take a AMS because you earn money for shooting down LRM's that are headed for your team mates
stand near them and your earnings will increase again with the protection bonus's

basically play for the team and not for your self and you will earn huge money

my panther 10k runs 1x ERppc, 1x NARC, 1x Flamer, 2xAMS
weapons wise its nothing special but its designs to stick near or in the pack and support
and it always earns well even when i do low damage

this is from one of its best games
but if you look i got 3 max score kills to the op's 2 and a few more assists and about 100ish more damage
and yet my points are way way higher because of all the support actions and fighting near the team

[Tincan Nightmare]

Naduk, on 13 September 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

looks like you were way to focused on the killing part
you must support your team if you want to earn the real coin
kills on the score board dont mean anything more than assists if you did not have a major hand in taking them out OR save your team mate from doom

make sure that what ever you are looking at always press R and target it (especially if your a brawler with no lockon weapons)
if you target someone and someone else shoots it you will get more points for assisting your team
the more this happens and the longer the more score you get
i have out scored direwolfs just with target sharing for LRMs

use UAV to break ECM , take bap on your mechs or a tag laser for extra target sharing points and ecm breaking points
take a AMS because you earn money for shooting down LRM's that are headed for your team mates
stand near them and your earnings will increase again with the protection bonus's

basically play for the team and not for your self and you will earn huge money

my panther 10k runs 1x ERppc, 1x NARC, 1x Flamer, 2xAMS
weapons wise its nothing special but its designs to stick near or in the pack and support
and it always earns well even when i do low damage

this is from one of its best games
but if you look i got 3 max score kills to the op's 2 and a few more assists and about 100ish more damage
and yet my points are way way higher because of all the support actions and fighting near the team

Not that much higher when you subtract the hero mech bonus and the premium time bonus. Then you only earned 160k for all those bonus acts and team play. So all that extra effort and even building your mech to support your team and without a hero or premium time you would still be only making about 50 to 60k over average.

[El Bandito]

Naduk, on 13 September 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

looks like you were way to focused on the killing part
you must support your team if you want to earn the real coin
kills on the score board dont mean anything more than assists if you did not have a major hand in taking them out OR save your team mate from doom

I had major hand in taking out two mechs early on, (Mauler and Zeus). That is more contribution than most of my teammates had done. Without me trading damage with them and taking them out, those Assaults would have done much harm to our team. I received heavy CT damage for the effort. Then I also cored an Atlas from behind, but since it was an efficient kill, I did not get the "Most Damage Dealt" bonus.

Yet I get only 92K for that.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 September 2015 - 06:26 PM.

[Naduk]

Tincan Nightmare, on 13 September 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

Not that much higher when you subtract the hero mech bonus and the premium time bonus. Then you only earned 160k for all those bonus acts and team play. So all that extra effort and even building your mech to support your team and without a hero or premium time you would still be only making about 50 to 60k over average.

yeah wasnt really counting mech/prem bonus , sorry should of mentioned that
its not about changing your build, its about playing with your team in mind

a savior assist is worth more than just glancing someone with a small laser
countering ecm with a ppc is worth more than just shooting something with out ecm
performing actions that help the team earn you money

[spectralthundr]

El Bandito, on 13 September 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Cmon, PGI. Two kills, five assists, 358 damage is more than an average person on the team does, and I get only 92,755 C-Bills for that? Even the XP reward is disappointing, since if we discount the double XP weekend, I got only 850 XP.



I feel sorry for the newcomers.

Yeah even having premium time doesn't feel like having premium time. They really need to loosen the grind just a tiny bit.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Im am in cW most of the time, so i average 300-500k. not even a week and i had enough to buy 3 EXE and still have 20 mill left over. I dont use heroes much either, my solos average 200k, less than that on bad games.

[Deathlike]

Get used to it.

Even the Paulconomist divorced himself from the the claim that he was responsible for (he threw someone with more power under the bus).

People keep wondering why new players don't stick around...

Just imagine for a second that the new player knows NADA about how to win AND NOTHING about what the average player knows.

You're asking them to trudge through lots of pain before they even get a foothold into making money for their SECOND MECH.

That's why the NPE with regards to the rewards is appallingly bad.

Don't be surprised that the Steam reviews about the grind... assuming nothing changes here that this will be a goto reference point.

[spectralthundr]

For example, a 900+ damage, 4 kill, 4 assist game with premium time and the ® variant that is supposed to be a 30% bonus to Cbills I thought? not even 400k of a payout.

[anonymous161]

El Bandito, on 13 September 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Cmon, PGI. Two kills, five assists, 358 damage is more than an average person on the team does, and I get only 92,755 C-Bills for that? Even the XP reward is disappointing, since if we discount the double XP weekend, I got only 850 XP.



I feel sorry for the newcomers.

Yeah thats what they do so you pay stupid prices for premium time, I used to do that but it's just not worth it.

[El Bandito]

Deathlike, on 13 September 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

Get used to it.

Even the Paulconomist divorced himself from the the claim that he was responsible for (he threw someone with more power under the bus).

People keep wondering why new players don't stick around...

Just imagine for a second that the new player knows NADA about how to win AND NOTHING about what the average player knows.

You're asking them to trudge through lots of pain before they even get a foothold into making money for their SECOND MECH.

That's why the NPE with regards to the rewards is appallingly bad.

Don't be surprised that the Steam reviews about the grind... assuming nothing changes here that this will be a goto reference point.

Yep. I started out MWO back in 2012 with a free Founder's Atlas--which was the strongest badass at the time, I frequented the forums, there were no complicated mechanics such as Ghost Heat and quirks, and yet, it took me months to get out of 0.25 WLR.
Compared with that, I pity the Steam newbies and their trial mechs, and general lack of knowledge.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 September 2015 - 06:38 PM.