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[MischiefSC]

How is PGI punished? For creating an event with big rewards but certainly challenging to finish?

Are you serious? Who punishes states for running lotteries? Who punishes the Olympic Committee for making getting into the Olympics and winning a gold medal hard?

Look, the temptation to cheat is a personal thing. If someone fails there that's on them. For the tournament or using hacks or anything else. That this discussion of even going on is representative of a shocking lack of personal accountability and entitlement.

Edited by MischiefSC, 21 September 2015 - 06:11 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2015 - 06:10 PM, said:

How is PGI punished? For creating an event with big rewards but certainly challenging to finish?

Are you serious? Who punishes states for running lotteries? Who punishes the Olympic Committee for making getting into the Olympics and winning a gold medal hard?

Look, the temptation to cheat is a personal thing. If someone fails there that's on them. For the tournament or using hacks or anything else. That this discussion of even going on is representative of a shocking lack of personal accountability and entitlement.

I think there is accountability, I just don't think you understand that most people don't care. The general attitude is this event was terrible and let them ban me if they want I'll just go take my wallet somewhere else.

No, I personally did not DC once but I certainly don't want those players (and there were lots of them) to leave as this will simply make the games population far more sparce.

Careful what you wish for, its one thing to talk about suspending for aimbotting where people actually paid to cheat as opposed to simply using a natural game exploit for a poorly designed event.

You might find if you drive these players away there won't be much of a game left.

[crashlogic]

Novakaine, on 21 September 2015 - 06:07 PM, said:

The amount of self aggrandizing situational moralization is utterly astounding.
Classic sociopath behavior.
When I was getting my degree, I wished had this to write about.

This is really funny if its ironic, and really pathetic if its not. Given the smiley face at the end I will assume its ironic, as mr pot calls mr. kettle black.

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2015 - 06:10 PM, said:

How is PGI punished? For creating an event with big rewards but certainly challenging to finish?

Are you serious? Who punishes states for running lotteries? Who punishes the Olympic Committee for making getting into the Olympics and winning a gold medal hard?

Look, the temptation to cheat is a personal thing. If someone fails there that's on them. For the tournament or using hacks or anything else. That this discussion of even going on is representative of a shocking lack of personal accountability and entitlement.

If the lottery is rigged, or the lottery system is broken, heel yes you punish the state..you sue them.
PGI is punished by an angry outspoken customer base. They are a business, not the supreme font of all battletech goodness.

[Yokaiko]

I just assume anyone that mentions a Psychiatric background needs every 12 step known to man, I'm rarely disappointed there.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

riverslq, on 21 September 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

I'm not sure people like this could survive if the internet went down forever.

lets see, the internet came online in 1991, when I as 14, so Ive already gone 16 years without it (we didnt have access to it when it first came out), I lived in a Job Corps center for three years and had little access to even TVs back then, so thats three more, I didnt get regular use of the internet until I moved where I live now; in 2003, so that adds 13 years, but I cann remove the three from Job Corps, and I choose not to own a cell phone or mobile device at all.

Care to revisit your assumption?

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 21 September 2015 - 06:25 PM.

[Novakaine]

Yokaiko, on 21 September 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

Novacain you are a head shrinker?

That explains SO much.

Naw just soon to be retired street cop.
Just managed to squeeze in a couple of sheepskins during that time.
And after 28 years of it you just know BS when you hear it.

[riverslq]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2015 - 06:10 PM, said:

How is PGI punished? For creating an event with big rewards but certainly challenging to finish?

Are you serious? Who punishes states for running lotteries? Who punishes the Olympic Committee for making getting into the Olympics and winning a gold medal hard?

Look, the temptation to cheat is a personal thing. If someone fails there that's on them. For the tournament or using hacks or anything else. That this discussion of even going on is representative of a shocking lack of personal accountability and entitlement.

The olympics doesn't involve RNG.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

I won't go into the details

So youre saying "trust me but Im not gonna provide any proof"

Youre a politician!

[riverslq]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

lets see, the internet came online in 1991, when I as 14, so Ive already gone 16 years without it (we didnt have access to it when it first came out), I lived in a Job Corps center for three years and had little access to even TVs back then, so thats three more, I didnt get regular use of the internet until I moved where I live now; in 2003, so that adds 13 years, but I cann remove the three from Job Corps, and I choose not to own a cell phone or mobile device at all.

Care to revisit your assumption?

Cause the tears part was a joke.

Yes, those first years didn't count because the internet didn't even exist.
yep, you still sound like an *******. that's not an assumption.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Cause the tears part was a joke.

I mean I said "lol" that usually gives the joke part away -.-

[Vlad Ward]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

I think there is accountability, I just don't think you understand that most people don't care. The general attitude is this event was terrible and let them ban me if they want I'll just go take my wallet somewhere else.

No, I personally did not DC once but I certainly don't want those players (and there were lots of them) to leave as this will simply make the games population far more sparce.

Careful what you wish for, its one thing to talk about suspending for aimbotting where people actually paid to cheat as opposed to simply using a natural game exploit for a poorly designed event.

You might find if you drive these players away there won't be much of a game left.

Aimbotters aren't suspended. They're banned.

Suspensions are slaps on the wrist. If someone gets one, they can get over it.

I swear. I was right there with SWOL at first, but you guys are going 127% bonkers with all this attention. Take a step back or something. No one cares what impotent forum warriors think. When/If PGI bans you, then you can get all huffy about it. It's not worth the obvious stress it's putting on you guys in the meantime.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

So youre saying "trust me but Im not gonna provide any proof"

Youre a politician!

I can't due to the recent dev post. Drop on our TS if you're interested and I'll tty offline.

Vlad Ward, on 21 September 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

Aimbotters aren't suspended. They're banned.

Suspensions are slaps on the wrist. If someone gets one, they can get over it.

I swear. I was right there with SWOL at first, but you guys are going 127% bonkers with all this attention. Take a step back or something. No one cares what impotent forum warriors think. When/If PGI bans you, then you can get all huffy about it. It's not worth the obvious stress it's putting on you guys in the meantime.

Dude, this isn't even about us, this is about the DCs. I'm literally saying that I didn't DC once and that I don't think it would be worth suspending the people that did due to a broken game mechanic.

The question relates to DCing not an sort of exploitable game mechanic so can we plz move on. I only talk about it when people bring it up.

I honestly don't feel that it is right to suspend the people that DC'd and I honestly don't think it will help the community. Fix the tournament and put a suspension policy in place for the future but make sure the major problem is fixed. If you have a good design exploiters will be far and few between.

Edited by Blueduck, 21 September 2015 - 06:31 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

You might find if you drive these players away there won't be much of a game left.

but the player base will be so much better off for them leaving. Youre advocating that a game designer should be afraid to ban people who break their rules.

Know what game that was? Star Trek Online when it first came out lol.

There was a group called Starfleet Dental who abused game mechanics to turn non PVP areas into PVP zones and the game's population was tanking so fast they couldnt ban them for doing it because it seemed they were afraid theyd lose even more players. Guess what happened? Everyone I know stopped playing and found a new game.

Game developers that are afraid of banning ppl who are breaking their posted rules should close up shop now because you are then letting those players run your game. You just lost control.

I heard the game went free to play in lieu of it closing down and got better for it though.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

but the player base will be so much better off for them leaving. Youre advocating that a game designer should be afraid to ban people who break their rules.

Know what game that was? Star Trek Online when it first came out lol.

There was a group called Starfleet Dental who abused game mechanics to turn non PVP areas into PVP zones and the game's population was tanking so fast they couldnt ban them for doing it because it seemed they were afraid theyd lose even more players. Guess what happened? Everyone I know stopped playing and found a new game.

Game developers that are afraid of banning ppl who are breaking their posted rules should close up shop now because you are then letting those players run your game. You just lost control.

I heard the game went free to play in lieu of it closing down and got better for it though.

The majority of the players abusing this mechanic do not do it regularly. They did it for one weekend due to a broken mechanic.

I think you are underestimating the amount of paying customers you might be losing.

I'd be with you if these people were serial manipulators but I'm just not seeing it.

[RavenKnight86]

My two cents (mind you I only DC'ed after fighting my Mech to the best of my abilities) is that I really don't blame the DCers. PGI knew DCing would be a problem this even which is why they originally had the DC counter. Their removal of such a counter encouraged more people to DC to get the maps they need. To me the blame falls mostly on PGI. Now I prepare myself to be flamed.

[El Bandito]

The DCers and the suiciders deserve their ban.

That said, the ban should not be permanent, and should serve only to teach them not to do it the next time.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 September 2015 - 06:39 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

I honestly don't feel that it is right to suspend the people that DC'd and I honestly don't think it will help the community. Fix the tournament and put a suspension policy in place for the future but make sure the major problem is fixed. If you have a good design exploiters will be far and few between.

It had a negative impact on other players. That's really all that mattered. Honestly, if only a few dozen people did it, PGI probably wouldn't have needed to hand out suspensions. But it became a "thing". The community was hurt by it. So they're handing out suspensions, most likely to the most egregious offenders and not anyone and everyone who had a disconnect ever this weekend.

No one should have to tell people that disconnecting on purpose is against the rules. Everyone knows it's harmful to the rest of the players in the match. This is obvious, even if it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the CoC (which it is).

If people really want to quit MWO over a 24-72 hour time out, then seriously - **** those guys. Even NKVA isn't that salty and they get forum bans and game bans just for existing.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Vlad Ward, on 21 September 2015 - 06:40 PM, said:

It had a negative impact on other players. That's really all that mattered. Honestly, if only a few dozen people did it, PGI probably wouldn't have needed to hand out suspensions. But it became a "thing". The community was hurt by it. So they're handing out suspensions, most likely to the most egregious offenders and not anyone and everyone who had a disconnect ever this weekend.

No one should have to tell people that disconnecting on purpose is against the rules. Everyone knows it's harmful to the rest of the players in the match. This is obvious, even if it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the CoC (which it is).

If people really want to quit MWO over a 24-72 hour time out, then seriously - **** those guys. Even NKVA isn't that salty and they get forum bans and game bans just for existing.

I think you are really underestimating the number of people doing this. All the ones I saw had flags next to their name and each game 2-6 paying players doing it.

There is a point where someone says the game is flawed, they suspended me due taking advantage of bad design, to heck with this it isn't very much fun anyways and I'm taking my money somewhere else.

I've reached that point in a game although I was never suspended. I simply saw the developers turn on the general populace as an excuse to avoid fixing why people were exploiting, their bad design.

Again, in my view, fix the design and set the policy in place going forward. This isn't a school where people have to be their mandatorily.

Edited by Blueduck, 21 September 2015 - 06:45 PM.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

this thread just needs to end.

[MischiefSC]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

I think there is accountability, I just don't think you understand that most people don't care. The general attitude is this event was terrible and let them ban me if they want I'll just go take my wallet somewhere else.

No, I personally did not DC once but I certainly don't want those players (and there were lots of them) to leave as this will simply make the games population far more sparce.

Careful what you wish for, its one thing to talk about suspending for aimbotting where people actually paid to cheat as opposed to simply using a natural game exploit for a poorly designed event.

You might find if you drive these players away there won't be much of a game left.

Let me be clear -

I would, without question and absolutely, rather wait longer to play and have those people leave than say that we have to put up with folks exploiting because they are too utterly emotionally feeble to deal with random maps and so screw everyone else they play with because otherwise, ZOMG, *waiting*.

Give me longer queues and have those people never come back. The world is a better place for their absence. Anyone who is so incredibly entitled that they think they shouldn't face any consequences for exploits/breaking ToS/being a jackass because they don't like the event are not a big pain to lose.

We all make mistakes. I think a lot of people who got in trouble probably look at it, realize they made a mistake, pull up their big boy pants and endeavor to not make such mistakes again. Everyone else can go suck eggs.