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[crashlogic]

Mystere, on 21 September 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Let me make a guess. You were guilty yourself?

No, I had a string of 3-4 DCs on sunday due to biology ( I was home sick this weekened, hence my 121 games). But I don't buy into the whole DC thing-its ultimately a team game.. Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of reporting DC's. I am against suspending them for this event. It would have been very politic of PGI to issue a blanket warning when they lowered the threshhold and then hit anyone who subsequently DC'd hard. But I have never seen mass DC's in this community, except for this event, which was messed up. So I say leave it lie and move along.
I was the victom of DC's too. I also was the victim of a team kill. I am also a victim of meta builds, try hards and laservomit and the dreaded arctic cheeter. I don't think those players should be suspended either. Yes I am angry about DC's but I think suspensions and bans should be reserved for more serious exploiters.
There have been many simple fixes to the problems of this challenge proposed in the forums, PGI was in a position to do it right, or postpone the event.

Astrocanis, on 21 September 2015 - 07:03 PM, said:

I haven't been TKed so much in two years. Done for now.

TK is worth a suspension. A Tk is more radical than a DC.

Edited by crashlogic, 22 September 2015 - 12:24 AM.

[crashlogic]

MischiefSC, on 22 September 2015 - 12:16 AM, said:

Because nobody at all is responsible for my actions but me. Because I'm an adult.

But this assumes a player base whihc is willing to accept this. PGI knew from the get go there was an issue with asking a bunch of Gamers to be adults. They messed up the DC limiter, and then took it out...that was the wrong move. Suspending these players is not going to accomplish anything..they won't feel chastised just victimized, and we won't get our games back. This was a rage post by the OP and has become a communal rage post, rather than anything remotely reasonable. About five pages ago I proposed that PGI issue a blanket warning, and the come down hard on the violators. They could have done this when they lowered the score threshhold and we would be in much better shape. Suspending players after the fact makes some people feel good, but really it does not help the community. Pressuring PGI to plan events more carefully actually is productive.

[crashlogic]

Novakaine, on 21 September 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Naw just soon to be retired street cop.
Just managed to squeeze in a couple of sheepskins during that time.
And after 28 years of it you just know BS when you hear it.

. Lets not have a degree or expereince stacking competition, but rather lets focus on issues and debate, not personal attacks.

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Edited by Catalina Steiner, 23 September 2015 - 07:59 AM.

[Yokaiko]

I LOL'd

[MischiefSC]

crashlogic, on 22 September 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

But this assumes a player base whihc is willing to accept this. PGI knew from the get go there was an issue with asking a bunch of Gamers to be adults. They messed up the DC limiter, and then took it out...that was the wrong move. Suspending these players is not going to accomplish anything..they won't feel chastised just victimized, and we won't get our games back. This was a rage post by the OP and has become a communal rage post, rather than anything remotely reasonable. About five pages ago I proposed that PGI issue a blanket warning, and the come down hard on the violators. They could have done this when they lowered the score threshhold and we would be in much better shape. Suspending players after the fact makes some people feel good, but really it does not help the community. Pressuring PGI to plan events more carefully actually is productive.

Here's the thing -

anyone who feels that way, that entitled, that utterly lacking in accountability have absolutely nothing in any way to add to a multiplayer game. I'd rather they all go away and have a longer wait time.

If someone cheats/exploits/whatever, they get in trouble. When that ceases to be the case than you've made cheating/exploiting required. Think of it like the meta - it's the best you can get away with.

If anyone was so incredibly dense that they didn't think exploiting/suiciding/etc. wasn't against the rules then they absolutely deserve a suspension so they understand that actually knowing even the most obvious, basic and fundamental rules of multiplayer games exist.

Brake the rules, get in trouble. The rules are all over. They're not really different from any other similar game. This isn't kindergarten. It's depressing to think about humanity in the context of this even being a debate to have. Of course people got suspended for exploiting. Why wouldn't they? Why, because it would make them feel bad that they got in trouble for exploiting?

It should. They should feel bad, they cheated/exploited. If that's enough to push them to leave and PGI can show proof of it I might just rethink canceling the packages I bought and was going to refund because the game itself, its whole population, will be better for it. What sort of fundamental human dead weight would quit a game in a huff because they got in trouble for cheating?

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Edited by Catalina Steiner, 23 September 2015 - 08:02 AM.

[anonymous161]

Lunatech, on 21 September 2015 - 02:05 PM, said:

I spent all weekend looking for Canyon and HPG. I felt the wrath of RNGesus as well. It still does not excuse such self involved behaviour.

The other 11 people on your team may need that map and yet because you do not you are somehow justified in making their lives that much harder?

Nope. Not ********** at all.


Edit: It censors "hats for your behind" now?

lol if your life is hurt from this then...you need serious help.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Well this is working out for PGI. They can ignore the whales who blatantly cheated and posted it on other forums and twitch while everyone gets their panties in a bunch over DC's.

The tournament was corrupted at the start by these guys with one of them still posting even on this thread.

I guess if your a whale or have a twitch channel you can get away with anything. If your just a frustrated player in a terrible tourney you will get much worse.

No PGI has no credibility left. Where is the much larger list of Cheating bans Russ told us about?

Let it blow over and the emotional will forget.

[crashlogic]

The way I see it is that the DC guys are like drug addicts. The are knowingly doing wrong, but are not going to stop just because it's illegal or harmful. Suspending them will simply send them over to league of legends for a period and they will come back. They will see themselves as victims of forum whiners who can't play the game anyway, and continue to do whatever they want. The truth is, a large number simply got angry and acted out of rage, they aren't going to do it again without the event.
PGI on the other hand, I see as the drug kingpin, they distributed the crack and offered a place to smoke the rock. Thus in my world, PGI is the greater danger and thus our efforts should focus on holding them accountable. This event is done tomorrow...it is what it is. We need to make sure this does not happen again, and the onus of that falls on PGI as the event creator.

[MischiefSC]

crashlogic, on 22 September 2015 - 01:17 AM, said:

The way I see it is that the DC guys are like drug addicts. The are knowingly doing wrong, but are not going to stop just because it's illegal or harmful. Suspending them will simply send them over to league of legends for a period and they will come back. They will see themselves as victims of forum whiners who can't play the game anyway, and continue to do whatever they want. The truth is, a large number simply got angry and acted out of rage, they aren't going to do it again without the event.
PGI on the other hand, I see as the drug kingpin, they distributed the crack and offered a place to smoke the rock. Thus in my world, PGI is the greater danger and thus our efforts should focus on holding them accountable. This event is done tomorrow...it is what it is. We need to make sure this does not happen again, and the onus of that falls on PGI as the event creator.

The point is that those players are worthless. Both in context of the game environment and quite probably as human beings. How they feel is irrelevant because their contribution to the game, both as a community and as a whole, is irrelevant. You don't make decisions about how anything makes them feel; they want anyone else to give a flying **** about them they can care about their impact on their environment first.

PGI didn't do anything but organize another bad tournament. That's not new. It's not some surprise ambush. In no way, shape or form does PGIs bad decisions mitigate players who cheated bad decisions. PGI lost some goodwill after the release of the Marauder gained them some by this RNG crap. That's their punishment and it'll cost them money. The players who cheated got suspended, that's their punishment.

The two are not related. If I'm smoking crack and you come over and then smoke crack with me, you don't get off on a warning because I was smoking crack first and you only did it 'because I was'. That's ridiculous. You took the pipe, you took the hit, you made a decision you deal with the consequences.

Also, get your own damn crack you slacker junkie.

[Weeny Machine]

badaa, on 22 September 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

i got a hand job from a monkey once.

Hard men get the job done by a gorilla. I am not impressed

[badaa]

returning home from my erotic adventure to my wife of many years and three beautiful children all i could think of was the monkey.

[Daelen Rottiger]

DCing is against the CoC isn't it?

If so, it doesn't matter if there is a !%"&$! event going on.



Here it is:

Exploiting / Griefing / Non-Participation
Our definition of Exploiting / Griefing includes:

• Wilfully or repeatedly destroying Teammate or Lancemate 'Mechs.
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly self-destructing one's 'Mech by Overheating or going Out-of-Bounds
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly disconnecting during a match.
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly spamming in-game chat.
  
• Persistent non-participation in core game mechanics.
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly taking advantage of an issue for personal gain.

To reiterate and clarify the Terms of Use on Prohibited Conduct: As an online game and an ongoing development, we do expect issues to be discovered by players. In cases where an issue can provide an unfair advantage, players are expected to refrain from manipulating these issues. Accidental triggering of an issue will rarely be of concern, though repeated abuse of any such issue reported to us will frequently be met with a warning or sanction. Intentionally joining a match for the sole purpose of disrupting gameplay through any means could be considered actionable.

Edited by Daelen Rottiger, 22 September 2015 - 01:41 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

No, the suicides and suspensions were a natural consequence o the mistakes made in setting up this event. Had the disconnect monitor actually worked at the beginning, things would have been fine...

Although the event was not well thought outout, it doesn't mean people can lose all accountability for their actions and behave in that manor. It's like a looter saying that smashing a window and stealing a TV is fine because there is a riot "well if the riot didn't happen, I wouldn't have stolen this TV...it's clearly the riot's fault and not mine". Extreme example sure, but goes to show that you are accountable for your actions and character regardless of the circumstance.

Things don't always work how they should and clearly this event was borked, but people should have either tried it legitimately or chose to ignore the challenge all together. Purposely ruining other players experiences this way and adding to the fubar of the event reflects poorly on them and they can't really say they don't deserve what they get.

[Mudhutwarrior]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 September 2015 - 01:41 AM, said:

Although the event was not well thought outout, it doesn't mean people can lose all accountability for their actions and behave in that manor. It's like a looter saying that smashing a window and stealing a TV is fine because there is a riot "well if the riot didn't happen, I wouldn't have stolen this TV...it's clearly the riot's fault and not mine". Extreme example sure, but goes to show that you are accountable for your actions and character regardless of the circumstance.

Things don't always work how they should and clearly this event was borked, but people should have either tried it legitimately or chose to ignore the challenge all together. Purposely ruining other players experiences this way and adding to the fubar of the event reflects poorly on them and they can't really say they don't deserve what they get.

Yet the ones who showed them how to do it on twitch remain.

That's the problem with witch hunts. Witches use misdirection effectively.

[PyckenZot]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

No, the suicides and suspensions were a natural consequence o the mistakes made in setting up this event. Had the disconnect monitor actually worked at the beginning, things would have been fine. But after charging people with DC's after they were killed (whihc was contrary to event rules) their fix was to remove the DC penalty. When coupled with the fact that the random maps were heavily weighted towards two maps or maybe three, map farming became inevitable. This falls on PGI not the DC/Suiciders.

I agree with the statement that is was a a natural reaction. But being a ****head does not fall on PGI. It falls on stated heads. To mess up other peoples gametime just because they wanted the glazed toping on their cake proves nothing more then an egotistical and selfish mindset.


To quote myself:

PyckenZot, on 21 September 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

After some initial raging on the idiocy of RNG-based events in the same trend as most people do, I now have calmed down and must state that all the raging is a blatant example of how spoiled we are,...

We essentially expect that everyone who puts effort in can receive the reward. We all spent time, we all are special cookies, we all deserve the items!

Wrong! If you buy a lotery ticket, you put effort in for a chance of reward. Same is valid here. The more you play, the bigger your odds, but no guarantee. Good and educational.

Now my other criticism remains standing. Logging off and repeated suiciding whilst trying to get maps should be penalized!

Edited by PyckenZot, 22 September 2015 - 01:53 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mudhutwarrior, on 22 September 2015 - 01:43 AM, said:

Yet the ones who showed them how to do it on twitch remain.

That's the problem with witch hunts. Witches use misdirection effectively.

Anybody that broke the rules should be punished, but yet, at the end of the day, people have the choice to do what they saw (knowing it was wrong), or ignoring it.

Point is, you're responsible for your own actions. If you break the rules, you can't say it wasn't your fault because the event stunk or you saw someone else break the rules in Twitch or YouTube.

[Mudhutwarrior]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 September 2015 - 01:54 AM, said:

Anybody that broke the rules should be punished, but yet, at the end of the day, people have the choice to do what they saw (knowing it was wrong), or ignoring it.

Point is, you're responsible for your own actions. If you break the rules, you can't say it wasn't your fault because the event stunk or you saw someone else break the rules in Twitch or YouTube.

Yes but PGI is following US criminal justice rules. The big and powerful get a pass while the unwashed masses get hard time.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mudhutwarrior, on 22 September 2015 - 02:06 AM, said:

Yes but PGI is following US criminal justice rules. The big and powerful get a pass while the unwashed masses get hard time.

Well everyone who broke and abused the rules deserves to get a "hard time". I hope everyone who blindly and consistently abused the rules gets punished. It would be sad if some don't (regardless of who you consider "big"), but it still doesn't excuse others "the little guy" of their actions.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 22 September 2015 - 02:21 AM.

[Yokaiko]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 September 2015 - 02:20 AM, said:

Well everyone who broke and abused the rules deserves to get a "hard time". I hope everyone who blindly and consistently abused the rules gets punished. It would be sad if some don't (regardless of who you consider "big"), but it still doesn't excuse others "the little guy" of their actions.

You should see the salt if you kill the leet players that power down or just stay in your spawn on a bad game.

[totgeboren]

What they should have done is to simply reset your score to 0 for the map you are on if you disconnect before you die(and don't reconnect before the game ends) or suicide during say the first minute or two of the game.

Done, people can disco from a map they have already done, but then their score becomes zero so they will need to do it again.
Sure you would still get Leroys, but at least they do something.
I guess CW would still be hell, but at least not as bad as it has been...

No need for their disqualifier system they had in place.

Edited by totgeboren, 22 September 2015 - 03:20 AM.