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[Burktross]

Damage is fine. Velocity and range is not. I think it should get a 1.5 rangeboost (max 405m) and a large velocity buff. The problem is that SRMs just don't synergize with Energy or ACs well

[Troutmonkey]

The Atlas Overlord, on 05 October 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

SRMs are fine.

It's the game just flat out ignoring that you hit if you use SRMS...

or AC20s...

or anything except lasers.

I still suspect that everyone crying about hit reg with missiles is actually experience the stupid HUD bugs that stop the cursor turning red (now fixed) or the paper doll not flashing (not fixed)

I use SRMs on a lot of my mechs and even with 250-300 ping I've never really had an issue with hit-reg since the "Buckton Fix" or whatever it was called.

That said, a small buff for spread and velocity would be nice, but I don't think we need anything drastic like damage buffs. TTK is already very low, and I'd rather reduce the effectiveness of other weapons (eg lasers) before racing to get everyone killed quicker

[Mystere]

Alwrath, on 05 October 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

Increase IS SRM damage to 3, clan to 2.5

There is no need to touch damage.

Fix hit registration if still borked.
Increase speed.
Reduce spread.
Done.

[Mcgral18]

Mystere, on 05 October 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

There is no need to touch damage.

Fix hit registration if still borked.
Increase speed.
Reduce spread.
Done.

Do that, AND increase damage to 2.5.


SRMs have nearly as many limitations as Machine Guns and Flamers; only major difference being constant fire VS FLD.

[Funkin Disher]

What should be done, in order:

1) Hitreg
2) Max range = 2x optimal range with damage falloff
3) Missile Spread / Pattern (That awesome spiraling flight pattern that became lostech would be fantastic to have back)
4) Flight speed increase
5) Heat/Damage/Recycle time buffs if deemed necessary
6) Bonus: Have missiles vaguely follow crosshair.

Edited by Funkin Disher, 05 October 2015 - 03:56 PM.

[Clydewinder]

Flaming oblivion, on 05 October 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Lrms need buffing , flamers need buffing, Machine guns need buffing, LBX needs buffing , Clan ACS need buffing , IS streaks need buffing, the IS AC 10 2 and arguably 20 could use a buff except certain quirked mechs (only a tiny buff for the AC20)

Why are we only talking about SRMS bias much

Just about every weapon in the game needs a major buff cept lasers and gauss. Its all broken.

If you have to buff everything except lasers, that means lasers need the nerf

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Troutmonkey, on 05 October 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

I still suspect that everyone crying about hit reg with missiles is actually experience the stupid HUD bugs that stop the cursor turning red (now fixed) or the paper doll not flashing (not fixed)

I use SRMs on a lot of my mechs and even with 250-300 ping I've never really had an issue with hit-reg since the "Buckton Fix" or whatever it was called.

I suspect everyone "crying" is 100% correct.

Maybe next time know what you're talking about before being blatantly dismissive and labeling.

Edited by The Atlas Overlord, 05 October 2015 - 04:09 PM.

[Troutmonkey]

The Atlas Overlord, on 05 October 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

I suspect everyone "crying" is 100% correct.

Nice video. I've not seen it posted before, as most people haven't substantiated their claims with gameplay footage. The only ones I've seen before are testing grounds footage which revealed the HUD bugs. It makes it really hard to diagnose whose suffering from what until PGI fix that crap.

It's hard to see the paper doll because of the low quality, but it looks like there is hit reg problems applying damage to the visually hit components. It sorta looked like damage is registering on the left arm / leg instead.

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Maybe next time know what you're talking about before being blatantly dismissive and labeling.

Maybe I should pick better words, but that wasn't my intent. I'm mostly upset at PGI for not fixing the HUD bugs for so damn long

Edited by Troutmonkey, 05 October 2015 - 04:19 PM.

[Sader325]

The Atlas Overlord, on 05 October 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

I suspect everyone "crying" is 100% correct.

Maybe next time know what you're talking about before being blatantly dismissive and labeling.

I would suspect your connection long before I suspected Hitreg issues. Video or not, this has literally never happened to me.

[Tesunie]

Troutmonkey, on 05 October 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

Nice video. I've not seen it posted before, as most people haven't substantiated their claims with gameplay footage. The only ones I've seen before are testing grounds footage which revealed the HUD bugs. It makes it really hard to diagnose whose suffering from what until PGI fix that crap.

It's hard to see the paper doll because of the low quality, but it looks like there is hit reg problems applying damage to the visually hit components. It sorta looked like damage is registering on the left arm / leg instead.


Maybe I should pick better words, but that wasn't my intent. I'm mostly upset at PGI for not fixing the HUD bugs for so damn long

I saw at least two volleys hit dead on, and it appeared to deal no damage. Quality isn't all that low (and I watched it in small format from the forums).

After watching from Youtube in larger view:
- First volley dealt damage to CT.
- Second volley dealt damage to right side torso. (Edit: Second volley did nothing.)
- Third shot. Hits, and seems to deal no damage at all.
- Fourth round hit the leg, and did no damage.
- Fifth blast finally killed the Nova.

Edited by Tesunie, 05 October 2015 - 04:28 PM.

[Johnny Z]

Tesunie, on 05 October 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

I saw at least two volleys hit dead on, and it appeared to deal no damage. Quality isn't all that low (and I watched it in small format from the forums).

After watching from Youtube in larger view:
- First volley dealt damage to CT.
- Second volley dealt damage to right side torso.
- Third shot. Hits, and seems to deal no damage at all.
- Fourth round hit the leg, and did no damage.
- Fifth blast finally killed the Nova.

Your 100% right. I have had 3 ML and 2 SRM 4's on my Raven 3L since I got it. Took them off recently because they were not doing damage. Match after match. No damage or very little, I dont know because it never changed any armor color for a long while match after match. Changed to 3 MPL and 2 Streak 2's. Way better. WAY. Although some of the Arctic Cheetas are avoiding damage nicely even now. Took an enemy artillery strike meant for me to take one out recently lol. It got me to though.

Edited by Johnny Z, 05 October 2015 - 04:31 PM.

[Burktross]

The Atlas Overlord, on 05 October 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

I suspect everyone "crying" is 100% correct.

Maybe next time know what you're talking about before being blatantly dismissive and labeling.

This video is great. o7

[Flaming oblivion]

Lrms flamers miniguns are 3 weapon systems that are flat out weaker then srms .

Yet you have tunnel vision on the weapon you want buffing .

If hit detection was fixed atleast they'd be good at brawling .

Flamers and machineguns are just garbage, And lrms aren't worth it anymore too heavy to slow to little damage and spread damage to many counters to weak in every aspect, Massively inferior to every other weapon.

the 3 weapon systems that desperately need buffing are
LRM's
MG's
Flamers

The weapons that need a little buff
AC10s
LBX
Clan ACS
SRM's
IS streaks

The weapons that need a TINY buff

AC20

The weapons that need more drawbacks so they aren't almost no brainers

Gauss
lasers.

Stop trying to get your preference fixed when so much needs fixing weapon balance wise a lot of weapons are in a much worse place then srns,

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Troutmonkey, on 05 October 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

It's hard to see the paper doll because of the low quality, but it looks like there is hit reg problems applying damage to the visually hit components. It sorta looked like damage is registering on the left arm / leg instead.

Just set the video to 720...

You can clearly see at least 2 large SRMS volley just phase right through the nova's CT and explode in the air behind it....and that's not even counting the AC20 shots that dont' seem to be doing any damage either....

I didn't notice the one leg taking damage, but maybe there are other people shooting it?

Either way the thing is immortal while moving, and suddenly dies to the first hit as soon as it overheats.

Hit reg woes are totally still in the game.

Troutmonkey, on 05 October 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

Maybe I should pick better words, but that wasn't my intent. I'm mostly upset at PGI for not fixing the HUD bugs for so damn long

Sorry for jumping down your throat.

I haven't been here very long, and I'm already sick of what seems like "everyone" instantly labeling any complaint they don't agree with "whining" or "crying".... or just flat out dismissing people.

I saw some guy in another thread tell assault pilots to "just bring a faster mech" if they didn't want their team mates to leave them behind to die.

Like WTF is that about?

[Mcgral18]

Flaming oblivion, on 05 October 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

Stop trying to get your preference fixed when so much needs fixing weapon balance wise a lot of weapons are in a much worse place then srns,

http://mwomercs.com/...te-of-missiles/
http://mwomercs.com/...0-machine-guns/
http://mwomercs.com/...-normalization/
http://mwomercs.com/...ssvs-clam-gauss
http://mwomercs.com/...157-flamer-buff
http://mwomercs.com/...those-poordubs/


Yep, totally only want a single weapon system buffed. Not most of the underperformers.

All are easy changes, none will ever happen.
LBx fixes are as easy as changing the 2 to a 5, or the 1 to a 1.3-1.5

KisumiKitsune, on 05 October 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Triple the velocity.
Stream fire in groups of two.
Almost no spread.

Those SRMs felt very nice. Powerful, deadly, efficient.


Part of me wanted one faction to be like that (but less damage, more accuracy) while the other was similar to what we have now, but more powerful.

Both unique, both powerful. I'll settle with having a single similar mechanic, where both can be powerful.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Sader325, on 05 October 2015 - 04:25 PM, said:

I would suspect your connection long before I suspected Hitreg issues. Video or not, this has literally never happened to me.

Just b/c you personally haven't paid enough attention to notice it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

[Tesunie]

The Atlas Overlord, on 05 October 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

I didn't notice the one leg taking damage, but maybe there are other people shooting it?

You got "solo kill". That means that for the entire duration you where engaged, no other teammate hit him.

I believe your med lasers hit the leg and side torso, exposing those components. Even some of your laser shots weren't properly registering either from what I saw (and it happens to me in game too).

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Tesunie, on 05 October 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

I saw at least two volleys hit dead on, and it appeared to deal no damage. Quality isn't all that low (and I watched it in small format from the forums).

After watching from Youtube in larger view:
- First volley dealt damage to CT.
- Second volley dealt damage to right side torso. (Edit: Second volley did nothing.)
- Third shot. Hits, and seems to deal no damage at all.
- Fourth round hit the leg, and did no damage.
- Fifth blast finally killed the Nova.

There is a known bug where sometimes the damage registers properly but the paper doll doesn't properly update.

Not sure which one happened there.

[Tesunie]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 05 October 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

There is a known bug where sometimes the damage registers properly but the paper doll doesn't properly update.

Not sure which one happened there.

If the damage had registered properly, than by the 3rd volley the Nova should have been dead. At least what I would think when 20 SRMs (40 damage) is colliding with it so much. Even if it spreads a bit...

[stealthraccoon]

Increase damage?

No.

Increase range and velocity?

Yes.