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[Wales Grey]

Chuanhao, on 17 December 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

ECM was inevitable as it was the only way to recreate the phantom mech ability for kells archer, which is also the best candidate for a hero

Phantom Mech is a dumb Stackpole Marty Sue skill from a dumb Stackpole Marty Sue in a dumb Stackpole Marty Sue merc unit. Magic explicitly does not exist in the Battletech gameuniverse.

Rushin Roulette, on 17 December 2015 - 02:50 AM, said:

Oh wow... I really see your point. The hero mechs are all superior to their plebian counterparts. I mean the players in the Pretty Babies, Jesters, Bored heads, Protectors, Ansnasis, X-5s, St Ives Blues...(s), Golden Boys, Fangs, Dragon Slayers and Heavy Metals are running completely amock ingame absolutely dominating the meta gameplay due to their massive advantages over all other mechs.

Hey man, you can either ya know, engage me in good faith or **** off with your ~sarcasm~.

Edited by Wales Grey, 17 December 2015 - 02:58 AM.

[Brian Davion]

Alistair Winter, on 16 December 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

Holy flipping motherloving Jesus on a tricycle. That's basically my dream mech! How have I not heard of this before?

86.4 kph with its stock STD300 engine!
ECM + Jump jets!
Humanoid with high mounted weapons!
One variant has 6 (count 'em) energy hardpoints!

If this mech makes it to MWO, I will be pre-ordering the Collector's Edition with bells and whistles!


Alas, the JJs on assault mechs don't add much mobility these days. But I see your point.

yeah it's a waaaays off, assuming they do move the in game date forward at all. but the thing is, the 3050 IS mechs are just quick (and often flawed) updates of old tech mechs, ECM once we get into the "new build mechs" got a LOT more common.

Wales Grey, on 17 December 2015 - 02:57 AM, said:

Phantom Mech is a dumb Stackpole Marty Sue skill from a dumb Stackpole Marty Sue in a dumb Stackpole Marty Sue merc unit. Magic explicitly does not exist in the Battletech gameuniverse.

Lemme guess. you're STILL smarting over the 4th sucession war?

[Khobai]

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Dragon Slayers and Heavy Metals are running completely amock ingame absolutely dominating the meta gameplay due to their massive advantages over all other mechs.

Actually at one time they were. And they had to be nerfed.

[Rushin Roulette]

Wales Grey, on 17 December 2015 - 02:57 AM, said:

Hey man, you can either ya know, engage me in good faith or **** off with your ~sarcasm~.

So have you managed to make any good points or do you just rely on insults which a [surat] wrote for you?

Khobai, on 17 December 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

Actually at one time they were. And they had to be nerfed.

I concede to the Dragon Slayer was once better than all other Victors, but I really cant remember a heavy Metal ever being rampant except for a short time after they were released. It was always the other Highlander variants (the Cbill ones) poptarting which caused the current hoverjets.

But that was quite a while ago and this thread is about the current Meta and why Heroes are apparently so much better than the Cbill variants. I bet Wales Grey cant name more than 50% of the available heroes where they are clearly better than the meta counterpart mech in the same Chassie (And I would even concede the Misery, even though the 4N laserboat is arguably better)

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 17 December 2015 - 04:45 PM.
Insults/unconstructive

[Wales Grey]

Brian Davion, on 17 December 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

Lemme guess. you're STILL smarting over the 4th sucession war?

Stackpole is an awful author who couldn't write his way out of a paper bag, that's all.

[Herr Vorragend]

Sorry dude, I own quite many Heromechs and I got to admit, that none of them was, is, or will be a gamebreaker. Btw, if you´re still searching for something to do with your MC, get one of those uber Heroes you mentioned.

I promise, you will be surprised. They are different an interesting (at least some of them), but not overpowered.

[DAYLEET]

Cathy, on 17 December 2015 - 02:03 AM, said:

Yup I can't stand the hero Riflemans camo, looks like someone gorged on boiled sweets then puked, if I am still playing the game come Feb, mines going to be black all the way (hopefully)

My first problem is i have little time for heavies and that closed the deal for a jagger little brother(my Firebrand has 7game played, 2year old mech). Then When i look at the Rifleman i see too many small details and too many colours, white/blue/dark orange/pink/dark yellow. I dunno what the colour swaping will do/affect. Im not interested in a super premium camo if i can't make it look different than everyone else who own it.

[Dimento Graven]

Prosperity Park, on 16 December 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

...

Do others feel this way, too?

No, I don't actually.

It makes sense, lore-wise, for this specific 'mech.

ULTIMATELY, the recent changes to ECM make it more of a personal protection rather than something to be shared amongst the team anyway. Seriously, 90m gets a lot of accidental friendly collisions taking place, and ultimately, benefited the Clan, with their ability to equip entire Chassis lines with ECM through module swapping.

Adding a single IS hero with ECM?

It's been a long time coming, maybe this hero will actually be worth the premium...

Wales Grey, on 17 December 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:

Stackpole is an awful author who couldn't write his way out of a paper bag, that's all.

I don't think I've wished for the ability to DISLIKE a post more...

Yeah, he's no Heinlein, Hubbard, Herbert, Asimov, or hell, even a Niven, but he's not 'awful'...

[Gas Guzzler]

Wales Grey, on 17 December 2015 - 02:20 AM, said:

It's perfectly in line with PGI's stated and apparent goals of milking as much money from the Battletech fandom as possible. As examples of hero mechs being superior: Flame (lol dragons are all bad but it's the least offensive one), Illya.

Thanks for naming two mechs that are completely irrelevant at competitive play to show us how rampant the P2W trend is in MWO.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 December 2015 - 12:00 PM.

[Xiomburg]

Prosperity Park, on 16 December 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I don't like how we have more Mechs coming out where the Hero is the only version that has ECM. I think many of us will agree that ECM is still worth more than 1.5 tons, so giving only the Heo Mech ECM without assigning any significant drawbacks makes me unsettled.

I think that Mech chassis that offer an ECM Hero should also offer a ECM Standard Variant. So, instead of just the Archer Tempest getting ECM, one of the standard variants should also get ECM.

Do others feel this way, too?

The Jesus Box will eventually be downgraded.

Edited by TB Xiomburg, 17 December 2015 - 12:17 PM.

[PurpleNinja]

Someone don't like something PGI did.
Where did I heard it before?

[Shismar]

It might be a good economic decision for PGI to keep hero perks to cosmetics. Almost as good as not selling special mechs at all and earn more money with paints and patterns. Works for other f2p games too and does not bring on the p2w debate that just loses players.

Well, that is pretty much what I said during beta. I have studied economics with specialization on Internet business so I think I know what I was talking about. I fear that boat has sailed.

ECM is still powerful and much desired. I think that having it on only the hero version of a mech chassis is a bad decision.

[Dimento Graven]

Shismar, on 17 December 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

...

ECM is still powerful and much desired. I think that having it on only the hero version of a mech chassis is a bad decision.

Meh, ECM should be converted to a 'mech module anyway, allowing any and all who value it to load it on any chassis they desire...

[Gas Guzzler]

Its going to be gimmicky at best. I wish people would stop worrying about it.

[Lucian Nostra]

Wales Grey, on 17 December 2015 - 02:20 AM, said:

It's perfectly in line with PGI's stated and apparent goals of milking as much money from the Battletech fandom as possible. As examples of hero mechs being superior: Flame (lol dragons are all bad but it's the least offensive one), Illya.

Oh no not the Illya and Flame!!! as someone else said they impact the game so hard, must be P2W!!

Bad:
Ember - Worse than Cbill variants (used to be good!)
Arrow - LOL!!! (Fun but total BS compared to c-bill variants)
Anansi - Why does this hero exist?
X-5 - again.. why?
St ives blues - ugh..
Quarantine - I think I've seen one before in my time playing..
IV-Four - oh.. the hopes I had for this mech..
Top Dog - Nerp..
Boars Head - yay hero atlas! to bad we have the DDC and S
Pretty Baby - Awesomes arent much but the PB has been the hallmark of crap hero for a long time. good job PGI!
La Malinche - Banshees kick ***! certainly the hero is good! NOPE.
Hellslinger - I just.. whatever

Than there's a slew of heroes that offer some variety.. like the Pirates Bane, Huginn, Jester, Misery.. Hard to say they beat out their Cbill variants as they all lack something.

as for better? Yeah maybe Illya? Trip Uac/5 from low mounts isn't what it used to be.. and in its hayday the 3D was the meta poptart while iilya was a pug blaster. now with the 0XP i find it hard to say illya is strongest Cataphract. id rather be in the 3D or 0XP

Flame? Seemed popular when Dragons where more.. relevant.. so I guess I could say the Flame is better with its torso Ballastic.

Dragon Slayer - Bout the only hero to have a true impact, ran meta better than cbill variants due to weapons clumped on one side. But the 9S did about as well that i could never cry foul on the DS but this was as close to p2w as we got... and was far from it

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 17 December 2015 - 12:44 PM.

[cSand]

Lucian Nostra, on 17 December 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

IV-Four - oh.. the hopes I had for this mech..

Yea I'm really struggling with the IV4...






struggling to do less than 500 points of damage!









BEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

[TWIAFU]

Dimento Graven, on 17 December 2015 - 11:59 AM, said:

Yeah, he's no Heinlein, Hubbard, Herbert, Asimov, or hell, even a Niven, but he's not 'awful'...

Least my favorite author got a mention...

[Dimento Graven]

TWIAFU, on 17 December 2015 - 12:38 PM, said:

Least my favorite author got a mention...

Yeah, so many other 'good' but not 'great' authors out there:

Asprin
Bear
Anderson
Allen
Allston
Adams
Aldis
Bain
Ballard
Banks
Barker
Baum
Benford
etc.
etc.
etc.

I have an extensive ebook library (330+ gb), I've even managed to read a significant portion of it, perhaps more than half by now.

There's some bad writers, absolutely, but most of are the 'bad pizza' variety.

Even when they're bad, they're still, "meh, better than nuffin"...

[Bishop Steiner]

Dimento Graven, on 17 December 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Yeah, so many other 'good' but not 'great' authors out there:

Asprin
Bear
Anderson
Allen
Allston
Adams
Aldis
Bain
Ballard
Banks
Barker
Baum
Benford
etc.
etc.
etc.

I have an extensive ebook library (330+ gb), I've even managed to read a significant portion of it, perhaps more than half by now.

There's some bad writers, absolutely, but most of are the 'bad pizza' variety.

Even when they're bad, they're still, "meh, better than nuffin"...

sci fi in general seems to attract people who are better with ideas and imagination than writing and understanding how to be socially engaging. So a lot of "pulp" writing, but often still fun. I'd label most of Battletech novels as such.

What blows my mind is how universally owful the White Wolf "World of Darkness" novels were, or pretty much any Warhammer literature. (or how 90% of D&D books not part of the Dragonlance Chronicles or Dragonlance Legends were just.... kind of bad..but usually still readable. Greenwood and Gygax taking the forefront of monty hall adventures...)

[Lucian Nostra]

cSand, on 17 December 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

Yea I'm really struggling with the IV4...
struggling to do less than 500 points of damage!
BEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

5K still trumps it, it's deff gotten better but so has the 5K