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[TWIAFU]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 December 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

first 2 books were OK, actually liked the first one... but the rest? UGH. Of course, the whole point o fold D&D was to become a demigod...but too monty hall to be interesting. The Beggar stuff in the first one was pretty good though.

Didn't like the rest? Really enjoyed them all. Story of the Artifact, Iuz, Zuggtomy, Umby, meeting Melf...

I felt it was not Monty Haul at all, rather the opposite. Rather kinda 'minimalist' to me in the way of actual magic items.

Gord and first three Dragonlance are right there at the top spot for me, but I am biased a little toward Dragonlance as I got to meet Weis and Hickman just after Sturm died and got an autograph.

When I think D&D it's Gord and Erol Otis art.

Could go on and on for a long time about decades at a gaming table....

[Bishop Steiner]

TWIAFU, on 17 December 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

Didn't like the rest? Really enjoyed them all. Story of the Artifact, Iuz, Zuggtomy, Umby, meeting Melf...

I felt it was not Monty Haul at all, rather the opposite. Rather kinda 'minimalist' to me in the way of actual magic items.

Gord and first three Dragonlance are right there at the top spot for me, but I am biased a little toward Dragonlance as I got to meet Weis and Hickman just after Sturm died and got an autograph.

When I think D&D it's Gord and Erol Otis art.

Could go on and on for a long time about decades at a gaming table....

yeah, when I ran a Bookland in NC, got Hickman and Weis to do a book signing there. Still got my signed Chronicles Anthology.

[TWIAFU]

Koniving, on 17 December 2015 - 05:37 PM, said:

We won't be seeing a craze of ECM.

Pssst, any 'craze' of ECM died when it was changed to 90m.

[TWIAFU]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 December 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

yeah, when I ran a Bookland in NC, got Hickman and Weis to do a book signing there. Still got my signed Chronicles Anthology.

Very nice! Stood in line for hours at GenCon in the 80s - almost missed my Tournament to get it...

BTW,

[Dawnstealer]

Prosperity Park, on 16 December 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I don't like how we have more Mechs coming out where the Hero is the only version that has ECM. I think many of us will agree that ECM is still worth more than 1.5 tons, so giving only the Heo Mech ECM without assigning any significant drawbacks makes me unsettled.

I think that Mech chassis that offer an ECM Hero should also offer a ECM Standard Variant. So, instead of just the Archer Tempest getting ECM, one of the standard variants should also get ECM.

Do others feel this way, too?

The Pirates' Bane dislikes your Locustism. Locustist.

[Mcgral18]

TWIAFU, on 17 December 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

Pssst, any 'craze' of ECM died when it was changed to 90m.

It has the same magical properties, just a smaller circle.

[Arctourus]

Ecm is weak enough now, as well as plentiful enough on the battlefield, to make an ecm hero mech not that big a deal. Truly, it's a rare thing anyway, so I don't see a problem.

[Viges]

Nightmare1, on 17 December 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

Another inane opinion.

How on earth did it go P2W?

Well mostly it started when DS was the best mech in the game for several months. But even before that we had IM with ultra boating. Then they nerfed DS (and IM too btw) to the ground to sell new clan mechs that were ridiculously OP for several months before going to cbills. Then cheetos and so on.

You can ignore it or deny or whatever. At the same time the game still has major issues with UI (still no quick selection of prepared mechs after several years lol), 3 same gamemodes, skill tree is still placeholder lol, ammo switch #neverforget etc etc.

And that steam release just shows that PGI blaming IGP for bad marketing was just another lie.

Even fanboys are not funny anymore, just sad.

[TWIAFU]

Mcgral18, on 17 December 2015 - 05:54 PM, said:

It has the same magical properties, just a smaller circle.

And why we/I see so little of them these days. And when you do finally see one, not the threat that they once were.

[Koniving]

TWIAFU, on 17 December 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

Pssst, any 'craze' of ECM died when it was changed to 90m.

Even at 90 meters, the cloak shield is still a good reason to always have it if every single mech could use it.

[Nightmare1]

Viges, on 18 December 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

Well mostly it started when DS was the best mech in the game for several months. But even before that we had IM with ultra boating. Then they nerfed DS (and IM too btw) to the ground to sell new clan mechs that were ridiculously OP for several months before going to cbills. Then cheetos and so on.

You can ignore it or deny or whatever. At the same time the game still has major issues with UI (still no quick selection of prepared mechs after several years lol), 3 same gamemodes, skill tree is still placeholder lol, ammo switch #neverforget etc etc.

And that steam release just shows that PGI blaming IGP for bad marketing was just another lie.

Even fanboys are not funny anymore, just sad.

Well then, quit playing and go somewhere else so that those of us who are enjoying ourselves don't have to put up with your nonsense. PGI's done a pretty good job at balancing when you consider the almost stupid amount of weapons, Mechs, and diversity in this game. Every time a Mech has been shown to be OP, they nerf it back down to the same level as everything else. The irony, is that they were nerfing and buffing things quickly and largely so the community screamed at them (myself included). Now they are nerfing and buffing more slowly and in a more measured manner. The community is now screaming at them (myself not included) for being too slow. People like you make it so that PGI can't win.

Personally, I would rather the slow and measured approach over the quick and large one. I like that PGI is now buffing/nerfing in rather iterative steps and that they are using the PTS. I would actually say that the fact that the IM and the DS are not game breakers is proof that PGI is committed to this game not being P2W.

There have been a lot of disappointments along the way, but PGI has already come through on some that many of us had written off as long gone. The introduction of Reseens was exciting, and CW Beta 3 looks very promising. Perhaps you should try being a bit more optimistic.

You can think what you want, but all I'm hearing is disgruntled whining from someone who has an axe to grind from PGI. This game is FAR from being P2W, and if you disagree, then you really haven't played any other online games.

All that being said, none of this changes the fact that the OP is blatantly, laughably wrong.

[Viges]

Nightmare1, on 18 December 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Well then, quit playing and go somewhere else so that those of us who are enjoying ourselves don't have to put up with your nonsense. PGI's done a pretty good job at balancing when you consider the almost stupid amount of weapons, Mechs, and diversity in this game. Every time a Mech has been shown to be OP, they nerf it back down to the same level as everything else. The irony, is that they were nerfing and buffing things quickly and largely so the community screamed at them (myself included). Now they are nerfing and buffing more slowly and in a more measured manner. The community is now screaming at them (myself not included) for being too slow. People like you make it so that PGI can't win.

Personally, I would rather the slow and measured approach over the quick and large one. I like that PGI is now buffing/nerfing in rather iterative steps and that they are using the PTS. I would actually say that the fact that the IM and the DS are not game breakers is proof that PGI is committed to this game not being P2W.

There have been a lot of disappointments along the way, but PGI has already come through on some that many of us had written off as long gone. The introduction of Reseens was exciting, and CW Beta 3 looks very promising. Perhaps you should try being a bit more optimistic.

You can think what you want, but all I'm hearing is disgruntled whining from someone who has an axe to grind from PGI. This game is FAR from being P2W, and if you disagree, then you really haven't played any other online games.

All that being said, none of this changes the fact that the OP is blatantly, laughably wrong.

Mindless fanboy confirmed

[IceFire]

Meanwhile at Hellbringer, Kitfox, Arctic Cheetah, Shadow Cat...

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Life is unfair, deal with it.

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cSand, on 16 December 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

Well fair enough
but the grand total is now 2...
plus it's suposed to be the "ghost mech" or w/e

There are plenty of ECM mechs available anow that it's not like the old days when only 2 mechs could have ECM. Not a big deal now f a mech has ECM or not.. plenty of other ecm options, at least 1 in every weight class on both sides if I am correct

I get why people don't like it but personally, not a big deal

Clan doesnt have an Assault ECM mech yet, but ya, I agree with you. There are so many ECM mechs out there now that its not all that big of a deal any more. Players have an ECM option in almost every class now.

And besides, we dont know what more they will do to ECM in the future. ECM could be very different than it is today in a couple of months

[Oni74]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 December 2015 - 04:13 PM, said:

Sorry, can0t agree.

As long as there are COMPARABLE mechs available free? It's a non issue. It's idiotic to claim it has to be a carbon copy chassis with ecm to avoid P2W.

YOu have an ECM Cataphract and the Hellbringer, both free, packing ECM in the heavy class.

Back when only a handful of chassis had it? One MIGHT have had a valid argument. Now? No.

I've to agree with Bishop here.

And to add to this, if anyone is in dire need of ecm to play enjoy this game, you might need a lttle more time in the training grounds...

[Bishop Steiner]

Onij74, on 18 December 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

I've to agree with Bishop here.

And to add to this, if anyone is in dire need of ecm to play enjoy this game, you might need a lttle more time in the training grounds...

I own 2 ECM mechs atm. Pretty much never play either one (I think I have a few on my clan acct, too, but aside from the SCAT, never use it). Seems to dink along just fine, so gotta agree with ya.

[WarHippy]

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth so to speak, but really it isn't a big deal. Honestly, I have a bigger problem with the Pirate's Bane having it than the Archer hero just because it is small and fast allowing it to make significant use of ECM where the Archer on the other hand isn't going to be hard to spot.

[Nightmare1]

Viges, on 18 December 2015 - 07:27 AM, said:

Mindless fanboy confirmed

Not so much mindless as practical. I've been around this game too long to get excited over every little thing, and I've also got enough common sense to know that the slow and steady approach is the best one. Kneejerkers can ruin this game (and have in the past until their changes were repealed), and I'm tired of hearing them whine and grief in the forums as they clamor for immediate, sweeping changes that generally create more problems than fixes.

I mean, seriously, the OP is a perfect example. Two Hero Mechs appear with ECM and are the only ECM variants in their chassis. So, the OP freaks out and starts screaming that the end is nigh. People like that are high-strung and upidstay.

I mean, really, two Mechs constitute a trend? Since when??? That's nothing and it's certainly not unreasonable.

Edited by Nightmare1, 18 December 2015 - 04:13 PM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

If the ECM fix ever goes live, this will be a moot point. While it remains in testing only, though, an ECM hardpoint should be available on at least one free variant of each chassis that also has an ECM hero.