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[Lykaon]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

If you say this to me, you automatically go on my block list and I ignore any further contact and communication with you. Period

It doesn't matter playing "well" because it's a PUB drop. I've heard this several times over the past week or so.

The PUB queue isn't your personal toilet. It isn't where you get to go to "screw around and play horribly" just because.

I have to some degree been conditioned to think that PUB queue matches do not really matter because of the frequency of being assigned 6-8 designated casualties and only a few actual team mates.

It seriously feels like there are maybe 4 players and the rest is padded with poorly written AIs. So when inevitably the designated casualties get destroyed before I have the time to even possition on the battlefield I am now isolated (my team evaporated in 3 mins) I am now out of possition (my team derped off from what should have been an obvioulsy tacticaly superior location and got shot to bits) and fighting 6 v 1 (because my team derped off and got shot to bits)

If I took these alarmingly frequent outcomes seriously I would have to rage quit. So,it doesn't matter.I was destined to lose that match from the get go and nothing I could have done would save the painfully unstoppable tide of derp that was my team.

Having PSR weighted so heavily on win/loss means PSR also doesn't matter. If I need to grind up a new chassis or learn a new design and build there is little chance I will carry the 6-8 designated casualties assigned to my "side" ( I will not use team to describe this) .

I have had matches where I have had six kills over 1k damage a couple of solo kills as well and my "side" lost. You literally can not carry hard enough to save this much derp from failure.

Sadly the occurances of me being able to score high enough to increase tier rating are far fewer than equal or negative values. Grinding new mechs has lost me a tier and trying new builds isn't rewarding me with enough success to merit the losses in PSR rating.So I have to change my way of thinking to "it doesn't matter" or I wouldn't even bother at all.

So, because the matchmaker does most of the work for determining who will win a match and PSR is a garbage mechanic that is determined mostly on win/loss I say solo queue matches do not matter to me as much as group or CW matches.

BUT, I never stop doing my best I just don't expect results for effort in the pug queue.

[Almond Brown]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 December 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

stuff

Especially in events like this. As long as I get my 150 I don't care

That is likely the exact reason they set the "Point Bar" so low. Wouldn't want to have the "players" complain/whining that getting "their" points is to hard and require actual playing in any sort of "Team" based fashion...

[Clownwarlord]

It is only a pub game, but that being said it comes down to the individual. The individual can decide to try their best and get better, the individual can say screw it I am here for my jollies, or one of other individual ideas of what they want of a public game. Now CW on the other hand shouldn't be treated like that it should instead be treated like it is worth something because it is for competitive team play. Now that being said you will still have people treat it like PUB until they make the matches and eventual goal worth something.

[Almond Brown]

Mystere, on 28 December 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

If and only if you cared about stats, especially the ever so important KDR.

Only 2 stats "really" matter. C-Bill total and the free 5% of your XP total. Have not yet been able to buy anything with my KDR..

[Screech]

Not that any of the games really matter but some coat-tail riders need a defense mechanism for the bad performance.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

If you say this to me, you automatically go on my block list and I ignore any further contact and communication with you. Period

It doesn't matter playing "well" because it's a PUB drop. I've heard this several times over the past week or so.

The PUB queue isn't your personal toilet. It isn't where you get to go to "screw around and play horribly" just because.

Go ahead and block me, cuz that's right where I stand on the matter.

I go there to level a new mech, to try out a different build, etc., when it doesn't affect the team. I'm not going to be as effective there as I am in a CW drop, for just that reason. And I may be trying to work out a specific role with a build, which doesn't meet with the tryhard stamp of approval. As soon as that costs you a dime, you can sue me.

'Til then, cupcake, get on with the blocking. And I'll see y'all in the solo queue in a few hours...

[totgeboren]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

If you say this to me, you automatically go on my block list and I ignore any further contact and communication with you. Period

It doesn't matter playing "well" because it's a PUB drop. I've heard this several times over the past week or so.

The PUB queue isn't your personal toilet. It isn't where you get to go to "screw around and play horribly" just because.

It looks like you have totally missed the point of a comment like "it's just a pub game, it doesn't matter".

It's not that poor play is condoned or encouraged, it's that by the very nature of the game you will sometimes have new and/or poor players on your team. If you lose because of that, well, there isn't much you can do about it.

It's not that some choose to play horribly, it's that they simply are not good players. Saying that just because someone is a worse player than you that is comparable to them using the game as a toilet says more about you than them, since you by definition must have been new and/or bad at some point before you got better at the game. Were you using the game as your personal toilet then?

No you were not, you were trying to get better at the game.

Edited by totgeboren, 29 December 2015 - 06:46 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Almond Brown, on 29 December 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

That is likely the exact reason they set the "Point Bar" so low. Wouldn't want to have the "players" complain/whining that getting "their" points is to hard and require actual playing in any sort of "Team" based fashion...

and im fine with that. you want hard mode go CW. pub games dont matter

clownwarlord, on 29 December 2015 - 06:29 AM, said:

the individual can say screw it I am here for my jollies

me. its a game

TheRAbbi, on 29 December 2015 - 06:36 AM, said:

Go ahead and block me, cuz that's right where I stand on the matter.

I go there to level a new mech, to try out a different build, etc., when it doesn't affect the team. I'm not going to be as effective there as I am in a CW drop, for just that reason. And I may be trying to work out a specific role with a build, which doesn't meet with the tryhard stamp of approval. As soon as that costs you a dime, you can sue me.

'Til then, cupcake, get on with the blocking. And I'll see y'all in the solo queue in a few hours...

hell yes this

totgeboren, on 29 December 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

It looks like you have totally missed the point of a comment like "it's just a pub game, it doesn't matter".

It's not that poor play is condoned or encouraged, it's that by the very nature of the game you will sometimes have new and/or poor players on your team. If you lose because of that, well, there isn't much you can do about it.

It's not that some choose to play horribly, it's that they simply are not good players. Saying that just because someone is a worse player than you that is comparable to them using the game as a toilet says more about you than them, since you by definition must have been new and/or bad at some point before you got better at the game. Were you using the game as your personal toilet then?

No you were not, you were trying to get better at the game.

its also not everyone is tryhards like the op

[MerryIguana]

And to the right you will see the vicious white knight rager. Please keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times.

[totgeboren]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

its also not everyone is tryhards like the op

Definitely. I was of course speaking from my own pow, but even if I'm trying out some silly build or whatever I still try my best to pewpew the red doritos.

When spectating people, even if they are playing some really odd build it is rare to see someone actively playing to lose, and I can relate to that.
Even if I'm playing something 'bad' for the lulz I still try to kill the other guys before they kill me.

Edited by totgeboren, 29 December 2015 - 08:22 AM.

[Triordinant]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

There's a difference in playing "new mechs" "new builds" "experimenting" etc. and tanking games just because it's the PUB queue.

Possibility: they're tanking their games hoping to move down to Tier 4 aka the "tryhard-free zone".

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

MerryIguana, on 29 December 2015 - 07:59 AM, said:

And to the right you will see the vicious white knight rager. Please keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times.

who was the target of that lol I really dont see any in here. The OP is a tryhard not wk

[Appogee]

Maybe there needs to be a separate queue for people who are making no effort to win.

I'm tired of trying to carry them, only to be told that I should "let them have fun however they want".

[AlmightyAeng]

Be honest, Sand. The 8-year old running around with 6 flamers on a Jenner was never going to make it to your friends list to begin with

[JaxRiot]

Appogee, on 29 December 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

Maybe there needs to be a separate queue for people who are making no effort to win.

I'm tired of trying to carry them, only to be told that I should "let them have fun however they want".

No offense, but I thought there already was a separate queue for those wanting more organized and competitive gameplay... Im pretty sure there are two actually.

Group Queue and CW.

[Sandpit]

MeiSooHaityu, on 29 December 2015 - 02:35 AM, said:

I always try my best no matter what.

That said, I don't always take the most effective builds, I only occasionally meta, and sometimes I run far out stuff because I'm curious/bored and want a chuckle.

Still, I always try to do my best with what I bring.

It has nothing to do with builds

Illuzian Pryde, on 29 December 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:

I think you took my post too personally, it was not directed specifically at you.

Couple of things - not an RP thread but I RP, it makes it more enjoyable for me personally across the board.

My point is - anyone actively going out of their way to ruin the game are not worth your time, your frustration, your forum posts or your retaliation.

Expecting people to behave the way you think they should is entitlement "believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment."

People might be "screwing around" as you put it but as long as they are not spouting profanity/abuse or doing team damage they are doing no harm. Now if you perceive this as ruining the game, a perspective change might help alleviate the frustration(because writing a forum post about it probably means something pushed you a little too far)

Also, posting in a discussion forum about how you are going to react to certain people.. if in fact that is all you were doing, is it really necessary? So you feel a desire to report people and not interact with people that do not confirm to your point of view? Just do it, if you need to announce it, announce it to those people.. not that I would recommend it as you will just be feeding them or making someone having a bad day feel more horrible.

Not saying that you are, but by posting what you have as a forum post, it sounds like you have an expectation that people play well in the game. Consider that maybe people saying that are actually embarrassed players that know they are not actually that good of a player, or playing poorly for many reason, maybe they are too afraid to admit that they are not very good.

Absolutely not trying to say you are wrong, I honestly do not know what message you were trying to convey or what you meant at the time, you are probably a reasonable/cool guy.. this is just my perception of what I read... and my frustration with seeing this behaviour... in any game, I should take my own advice really.

Even if you do not feel entitled, you have to admit there are a number of posts with a similar tone to your original post out there from people who have this strange expectation that people to act the way they think they should without compromise.

Reading your responses though, it just sounds like frustration not entitlement.

It's more of to start a conversation and discussion regarding this type of attitude honestly. Too much griefing is done in the name of "fun" and they use that banter to hide behind while actively going out to destroy the game experience fro 23 other players.
A block list that excluded players you simply don't want to be teamed with anymore would solve a lot of it. When you run into the same player 4-5 games in a row and they continuously do it, it can ruin an entire game session. For me, it's honestly not THAT big of a deal, simply because I'm lucky and blessed enough to have ample time to play, for the player that's very casual and only plays for 30 minutes here and there? That can be catastrophic and run players away from the game because to them it isn't an isolated incident, it's the norm.

Instead of being complacent and shaming those calling out dbags, it's time to start calling out dbags and shaming THEM instead. The sense of entitlement actually comes from those who think the game solely revolves around their personal idea of fun. There's 23 other people in the game, it's a team based game, and a player's "right" to fun ends when it negatively impacts and influences everyone else's enjoyment of the game.

It's specifically stated in the new CoC we all signed. They specifically state there are situations where the spirit of the rules take precedent over any "letter of the law" because no set of written rules can or will encompass every single eventuality. You've got ******* like a few that popped up in this thread that just want to try and shame and mock anyone they don't like and twist what's being said into a completely untrue version.

[Sandpit]

Almond Brown, on 29 December 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

That is likely the exact reason they set the "Point Bar" so low. Wouldn't want to have the "players" complain/whining that getting "their" points is to hard and require actual playing in any sort of "Team" based fashion...

that's a different issue, but yes, MWO always has and seemingly always will set their competition bars very "low". It'll be interesting to see how they handle their championship. Think pros are going to play in a tournie that's slanted towards those players who think they should win "easily"? Not gonna happen. A lot of the players who do this kind of crap, play poorly, etc. are in for a rude awakening and the QQ will be immense when qualifying rules, competition rules, etc. are put in place because they're "left out".
I guarantee that within a week of the official rules there will be QQ threads regarding it. No doubt. It will be mostly the same players we see nwo QQing about various things and "elitism", but it will be funny to watch. That's a bit off-topic though so I digress...

Anyhow, the whole premise opf this thread is to start making people aware and those that want to help improve the community, start calling players out for being Dbags, start reporting them when they violate CoC, shame them for being poor members f your community. Ignore the ones that's sole purpose is to do nothing but troll our forums.

Appogee, on 29 December 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

Maybe there needs to be a separate queue for people who are making no effort to win.

I'm tired of trying to carry them, only to be told that I should "let them have fun however they want".

they have one, it's called private matches and testing grounds, and training academy. How many queues do they want?

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

No offense, but I thought there already was a separate queue for those wanting more organized and competitive gameplay... Im pretty sure there are two actually.

Group Queue and CW.

group queue has the same players in it. Group queue isn't separate from the pub queue. Also, what does CW have to do with ANYthing I said?

I specifically stated players coming into the pub drop queue to use it as a toilet and grief 23 others. Why is CW even being mentioned?

[mogs01gt]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

If you say this to me, you automatically go on my block list and I ignore any further contact and communication with you. Period
It doesn't matter playing "well" because it's a PUB drop. I've heard this several times over the past week or so.
The PUB queue isn't your personal toilet. It isn't where you get to go to "screw around and play horribly" just because.

Same attitude as a lot of MMO players(typically under 25) and IMO if someone says that, they need banned. Its a disease that started from League of Legends and has trickled down through most F2P games.

[Sandpit]

Ghost Badger, on 29 December 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

Be honest, Sand. The 8-year old running around with 6 flamers on a Jenner was never going to make it to your friends list to begin with

I'd friend that player long before I'd friend or pay attention to the players I'm actually talking about.

[JaxRiot]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 12:38 PM, said:

group queue has the same players in it. Group queue isn't separate from the pub queue. Also, what does CW have to do with ANYthing I said?

I specifically stated players coming into the pub drop queue to use it as a toilet and grief 23 others. Why is CW even being mentioned?

I wasnt responding to anything that you said. I was responding to Apogee who said:

Appogee, on 29 December 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

Maybe there needs to be a separate queue for people who are making no effort to win.

I'm tired of trying to carry them, only to be told that I should "let them have fun however they want".

I mentioned Group and CW because in Pug matches, the quality of the teams are a roll of the dice every drop.

If people are upset that the strangers they are being placed on the same team with are not living up to expectations, then I suggest playing ques where a player with higher standards can form actual groups with and play with people who are more like them.

Find 12 buddies who want to put forth the same effort as you expect, and group up.

Ta-daaa no more lame players using your game as a toilet.