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[Sandpit]

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

I wasnt responding to anything that you said. I was responding to Apogee who said:



I mentioned Group and CW because in Pug matches, the quality of the teams are a roll of the dice every drop.

If people are upset that the strangers they are being placed on the same team with are not living up to expectations, then I suggest playing ques where a player with higher standards can form actual groups with and play with people who are more like them.

Find 12 buddies who want to put forth the same effort as you expect, and group up.

Ta-daaa no more lame players using your game as a toilet.

There's a difference between new and "bad" players and griefers. Queues, builds, mech, weapons, balance, etc. has absolutely nothing to do with it

[JaxRiot]

I never mentioned anything about Builds, or mechs, or balance, or weapons.

But with all due respect, Ques have everything to do with it.

Not happy with the quality of random players in Pub matches, for whatever reason?

Join a Group or CW que where you can form pre-made groups who will play the way you want them to.

No more dealing with Bad players, or Griefers, or any other type of player you feel that you dont want to be saddled with.

[Sandpit]

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:

I never mentioned anything about Builds, or mechs, or balance, or weapons.

But with all due respect, Ques have everything to do with it.

Not happy with the quality of random players in Pub matches, for whatever reason?

Join a Group or CW que where you can form pre-made groups who will play the way you want them to.

No more dealing with Bad players, or Griefers, or any other type of player you feel that you dont want to be saddled with.

nobody said anything about "quality" of random players, maybe you missed the first 4-6 times I explained that and clarified we're talking about griefers?

EDIT:
And was your "solution" really to go play CW instead...? That's how you should help mitigate and reduce griefing in public drops?
no offense, but that's..... that's just not the path I'm taking personally, you can do so in complacency I guess, but I'll keep doing what I do instead

Edited by Sandpit, 29 December 2015 - 01:53 PM.

[Clownwarlord]

Its funny to me that everyone ******* about each other and how they play, but you ever wonder no one is the same or thinks the same and it is this conflicting disagreements like that, that cause so much bitching?

Sorry I am different and will play the game different from you, but if you got a problem with how I play. Then file your complaint in the circle bin next to the desk of, Whogive Sadamn.

[Spr1ggan]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 11:23 PM, said:

No, but you should be beaten with a salty fish for an hour

[JaxRiot]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

nobody said anything about "quality" of random players, maybe you missed the first 4-6 times I explained that and clarified we're talking about griefers?

EDIT:
And was your "solution" really to go play CW instead...? That's how you should help mitigate and reduce griefing in public drops?
no offense, but that's..... that's just not the path I'm taking personally, you can do so in complacency I guess, but I'll keep doing what I do instead

Then Im not sure what you are trying to say then.

You say that you dont like when people come into the game and treat it as a toilet, and grief the other people in the game..


So are you saying that you think those are good quality players or bad?

No matter what words you put on it, you seem to not like playing with certain types of people.

Which is fine. I respect that.

But if you are going to be playing Pub matches, youre going to have to accept that you will be playing with those kinds of people eventually.

The only way I know of to get around that is to Not play Pub matches.

Play Group or CW matches where you can form a pre-made team and not have to worry about having to play with those kinds of people any more.

You dont Have to play CW

And you dont Have to play in the Group queue

Those are just merely suggestions to help ease the pain you feel about other players that Match Maker is putting you with that are treating the game like a toilet.

And by the way.. Pub matches are just Pub matches. They dont matter. There are no trophies to be won or titles to be gained. Just one match out of many played and the first of many more to be played.

Even a loss will still net some c-bill gains and minimal PSR loss if any.

There is no risk of losing anything, and nothing significant to be gained..

Just another step on the treadmill is all they are.

Edited by JaxRiot, 29 December 2015 - 03:40 PM.

[Sandpit]

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

Then Im not sure what you are trying to say then.

You say that you dont like when people come into the game and treat it as a toilet, and grief the other people in the game..


So are you saying that you think those are good quality players or bad?

It has NOTHING to do with the "quality" of random teammates. You could have stopped at

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

Then Im not sure what you are trying to say then.

You say that you dont like when people come into the game and treat it as a toilet, and grief the other people in the game..


So are you saying that you think those are good quality players or bad?

No matter what words you put on it, you seem to not like playing with certain types of people.

Which is fine. I respect that.

No, that's where we disagree. You don't just "accept" griefers like that. You report them. Plain and simple.

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

And by the way.. Pub matches are just Pub matches. They dont matter. There are no trophies to be won or titles to be gained. Just one match out of many played and the first of many more to be played.

Even a loss will still net some c-bill gains and minimal PSR loss if any.

Which is exactly what a repair and rearm system would fix, but that's a completely different topic.

Let's rephrase that though, they don't mean anything to YOU, assuming that to be true for the other 11 players that are forced to rely on you to have an enjoyable game experience might disagree.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 12:56 PM, said:

There's a difference between new and "bad" players and griefers.

so ppl just having fun in a game are griefers?

Now Ive heard everything lol

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

And you dont Have to play in the Group queue

Thats what CW is there for

[Y E O N N E]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 04:18 PM, said:

so ppl just having fun in a game are griefers?

Now Ive heard everything lol

If your fun is had by intentionally making somebody else miserable, yes. It's a fine line between just playing your way and that irritating some people and playing in ways that are meant to deliberately irritate people at the expense of everything else.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yeonne Greene, on 29 December 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

If your fun is had by intentionally making somebody else miserable, yes. It's a fine line between just playing your way and that irritating some people and playing in ways that are meant to deliberately irritate people at the expense of everything else.

isnt winning the point of this game? So then playing this game at all, by dint of the fact that youre gonna irritate someone because you kill them or win is griefing?

lol

This thread is great.

Heck, reminds me of the pgi guy that called the ac/2 a griefing tool lol



note the PS, yes that actually happened lol

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 29 December 2015 - 04:25 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

isnt winning the point of this game? So then playing this game at all, by dint of the fact that youre gonna irritate someone because you kill them or win is griefing?

lol

This thread is great.

Heck, reminds me of the pgi guy that called the ac/2 a griefing tool lol

I said if your fun is to irritate players at the expense of everything else, it is griefing. That includes at the expense of winning.

Read more, post less.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yeonne Greene, on 29 December 2015 - 04:25 PM, said:

I said if your fun is to irritate players at the expense of everything else, it is griefing. That includes at the expense of winning.

lol playing the game is now griefing. You heard it here first

[Satan n stuff]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

note the PS, yes that actually happened lol

I remember, so does my poor Jagermech.

[Wolfways]

It matters less than a CW match...which doesn't really matter either lately :/

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wolfways, on 29 December 2015 - 04:47 PM, said:

It matters less than a CW match...which doesn't really matter either lately :/

yeah, I was just in a match getting farmed by the 228. When the guys in the game ignore the objective entirely....

[Wolfways]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

yeah, I was just in a match getting farmed by the 228. When the guys in the game ignore the objective entirely....

Don't remember IS ever going for the objective. No point when you can just walk out of the base (even though you're supposed to be defending it) and kill everyone.
The only difference between fighting an IS unit and fighting an IS pug group is that with the unit the match is over quicker

[Sandpit]

Yeonne Greene, on 29 December 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

If your fun is had by intentionally making somebody else miserable, yes.

That pretty well sums it up.
No need to discuss "what if" scenarios since they have no relevance and aren't the type of players being discussed.

Yeonne Greene, on 29 December 2015 - 04:25 PM, said:

I said if your fun is to irritate players at the expense of everything else, it is griefing. That includes at the expense of winning.

Read more, post less.

just ignore him lol
He's good for bumping threads though so I don't bother reporting. Just don't feed the troll

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wolfways, on 29 December 2015 - 04:54 PM, said:

Don't remember IS ever going for the objective. No point when you can just walk out of the base (even though you're supposed to be defending it) and kill everyone.
The only difference between fighting an IS unit and fighting an IS pug group is that with the unit the match is over quicker

I kinda made the mistake of trying CW now that theres hundreds of ppl playing it. I forgot irs serious lol

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

That pretty well sums it up.
No need to discuss "what if" scenarios since they have no relevance and aren't the type of players being discussed.

Right. Youre a griefer if you make ppl mad. By that logic, the 228 were griefing us puggies in my last CW match lol cause the other ppl were pretty pissed we were being farmed

[JaxRiot]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Let's rephrase that though, they don't mean anything to YOU, assuming that to be true for the other 11 players that are forced to rely on you to have an enjoyable game experience might disagree.

Ya, but the thing is that Im not the only one who thinks Pub matches are barely more than C-bill farms.

I naturally cant speak for everyone, but there are plenty of us who dont put the same level of importance on these matches as you seem to.

We play, we win or lose, and queue for the next one. Just keep those c-bills flowing.

And for the record, I still dont know exactly what you are talking about when you are referring to these players using the game as a toilet. Ive been trying to follow along, but I dont think I have seen you state exactly what you are talking about.

Im assuming that you are just talking about PSR tankers.

Anything other than PSR tankers would just be different play styles and wouldnt really qualify as griefing I dont think

[Sandpit]

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

Ya, but the thing is that Im not the only one who thinks Pub matches are barely more than C-bill farms.

I naturally cant speak for everyone, but there are plenty of us who dont put the same level of importance on these matches as you seem to.

We play, we win or lose, and queue for the next one. Just keep those c-bills flowing.

And for the record, I still dont know exactly what you are talking about when you are referring to these players using the game as a toilet. Ive been trying to follow along, but I dont think I have seen you state exactly what you are talking about.

Im assuming that you are just talking about PSR tankers.

Anything other than PSR tankers would just be different play styles and wouldnt really qualify as griefing I dont think

Didn't say you were, I also never said anythign about players just goofing off or farming cbills. I also never said anything about
players goofing in "bad" builds
new players
noobs
"bad' players
low skill players
tier ratings
groups
premades
PUGs
12mans
Testing new builds
"training drops"
Just playing "dumb" (Ramboing, etc.)
So now that we've cleared that up, maybe you guys can stop mentioning them since they have absolutely no bearing, basis, or context on anything I've discussed in this thread.

If some of you can't understand the difference between nature of doing somethign with malicious intent to ruin an experience for others and the above list, that's on you, but they still have no relevancy to anything I've said in this thread