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[Gas Guzzler]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Executioner pretty much fits that bill already though right, just mirrored? You have 3 high torso energy mounts with an arm for side poking. Despite being 5 tons more, the Exe has more toys to play with that make it better imo.

Well the EXE has good chest hardpoints, but the Fisher's look head level, which is better. I agree the EXE has more toys, so bring on the quirks!

I know that isn't a guarantee, but I sense that were that mech announced, it would come with something that made it tantalizing. The Turkina wouldn't get that sort of help.

I know, Clan Battlemechs, blah blah, if they go that route then fine, but while we are talking about in timeline omni mechs, its Kingfisher all the way for me. Or just offer the Turkina as a Wave 1-4 reward ideally

[Widowmaker1981]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 09:44 AM, said:

Well lets be real, the "meta" side torsos have 1E and 2E hardpoints respectively. LT can fit 2 of any energy weapons and a TC1, RT can fit whatever energy you want. It isn't really limiting. Judging by the art looking at the LT, those hardpoints will be much like the Banshees shoulder points.

3 shoulder points plus likely a mid height CT point, and some LA points for corner poking. Not built exactly like the Banshee but it could trade shots with one, but no IS XL so more durability.



Oh and your not going to replace the LRM10s with more gauss ammo and heatsinks?

Why would a Turkina be quirked with like 15% extra speed? That is the least likely event of anything being discussed in this thread. It is going to go 52 kph.

How does the Blood Asp do on crit slots? (my SSW doesn't load for some reason) My concern there is if you want to dual gauss, it will be in the STs, which hurts your durability.

Yeah, it does have some potential i will grant, but its a long way shy of the Banshee - having said that the BNC-3M with either 5LPL 2 SL XL380 or 4LPL 4SL XL400 is my favourite mech in the game, even since the skill tree nerfs (Banshee didnt get compensated at all, so effectively nerfed) so im biased there.

Its a moot point anyway - We both agree its way better than the Turkey, and i assume agree its not up to par with a MAD-IIC or WHM-IIC.

[Gas Guzzler]

Widowmaker1981, on 14 January 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

Its a moot point anyway - We both agree its way better than the Turkey, and i assume agree its not up to par with a MAD-IIC or WHM-IIC.

Yeah I agree on both points. I just have a feeling that PGI would do something to make it interesting so it would sell (ECM, Clan super tank, as neither/both would make it OP, I think we can all agree!). Capitalism is a good thing..

I mean the MAD-IIC is basically hacking... especially in the current meta. You could probably bring enough DHS for 2 LPL and 6 ERMLs on that thing.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 14 January 2016 - 09:53 AM.

[reign]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Executioner pretty much fits that bill already though right, just mirrored? You have 3 high torso energy mounts with an arm for side poking. Despite being 5 tons more, the Exe has more toys to play with that make it better imo.

Yeah this was my exact point. The EXE with D torsos already brings this. And they are buffing masc.

[0bsidion]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 08:07 AM, said:

Yeah, and it makes me sad, which is why I really don't care much one way or the other about Kingfisher vs Turkina because they both have their problems and it still isn't a Blood Asp. Outside of that I would totally be down for a Mad IIC, it won't be like it was in the MW4-HC mod but I would still be happy.

I have to admit I'm pretty ambivalent about the Kingfisher and Turkina as well. The only other assaults I'd like to see are either Battlemechs or outside the timeline.

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 08:29 AM, said:

IMO all current era Omni Assaults are overrated garbage. Even the Battlemechs are getting a little limited aside from the IICs.

(3060 will have some nice options when it arrives, like the Canis)

I'm not sure I'd completely agree with this. Sure, they all have their issues, but the only omni assault we have in the game I'd really call garbage is the Gargles.

I like my Warhawk, Executioner, and Direwolf though. I'm pretty happy with them and tend to get good, (for me anyway), results using them. Granted I think I actually like my Mauler better than any of my Clan assaults, but still, they can definitely hold their own most the time.

[KinLuu]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 08:59 AM, said:

yay...more vomit.

Unless some massive balance changes are happening, this will be true for almost all clan mechs to be released.

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Fully agree, TBH; I mention timeline only to:
1) clear things up for those who might get confused
2) annoy a couple people.

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so... which category do I fit in?

[Imperius]

Navid A1, on 14 January 2016 - 11:32 AM, said:

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so... which category do I fit in?

Just ignore him like I will from now on, the only good thing Bishop ever has done is help make sure some mechs look right. Other than that 32,000Ish troll posts.

Guess he got so scared when people told his Urbanmech no that when others ask for thier childhood mechs he has to follow suit cause the butt hurt is still strong with him.

[Bishop Steiner]

Widowmaker1981, on 14 January 2016 - 09:11 AM, said:

before you call someone out for not researching, its a REALLY good idea to double check your facts

http://www.solaris7....Info.asp?ID=997

C variant has LAA on the 2E LA.

3xUAC5 + 2xLPL/2xERLL with the LAA in the left arm would fit my view of fully articulated.

Well, it's not, but hey believe what you will.

Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Not many Clan mixed builds are particularly efficient with less than 17 DHS... UAC 20 and SRMs aren't exactly cool, especially mixed with small backup lasers.



Warhammer doesn't have BJ or Jager arms either, I guess it shouldn't have been added to the game, you meta humping tryhard!

yup...except I have never used it's hardpoint placement as a "pro" in an argument.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Well, it's not, but hey believe what you will.


yup...except I have never used it's hardpoint placement as a "pro" in an argument.

Fully articulated could mean there is both vertical and horizontal articulation.

Or it could be defined as having the entire range of horizontal articulation as well. You guys didn't define your terms so neither of you are wrong.

[Bishop Steiner]

pbiggz, on 14 January 2016 - 09:06 AM, said:

kingfisher might be better than an executioner, but you aren't setting a very high bar there.

Again, I want an assault that justifies itself, can achieve that right mix of speed and firepower and doesn't just run clones of the timberwolf laser vomit build.

looks like it's simple enough to accept this pack won't have the assault you want. Seriously, we all have that in the packs where there are mechs in them we could care less. Perhaps by the next Omni Pack they will advance timeline. I guess I don't get why people can't just accept it and move on, instead of forcing a square peg into a round hole.

About half the mech sin any the packs IS or Clan, I haven't wanted, haven't been "my choice" of mechs. I don't make a big stink about it, I just don't buy that mech without compelling reason (only got Jenner IICs because it made more sense to spend 5 bucks more to get the HBK pack than a la carte, for instance. Ditto the arctic cheetah..only one I wanted was the Shadowcat.)

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

Mad IIC and/or Whammy IIC wouldn't be a terrible option but really none of the Clan assaults are built like the Banshee.

Hows the Banshee holding up post agility nerf? Haven't really run mine enough, curious what the "leet consensus" was... quirks and hardpoints still enough to keep it upper deck?

Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

Yeah I agree on both points. I just have a feeling that PGI would do something to make it interesting so it would sell (ECM, Clan super tank, as neither/both would make it OP, I think we can all agree!). Capitalism is a good thing..

I mean the MAD-IIC is basically hacking... especially in the current meta. You could probably bring enough DHS for 2 LPL and 6 ERMLs on that thing.

IDK... PGI has also just released some bad robots and left them bad...Nova, Summoner, Gargles.....Shadowcat.

0bsidion, on 14 January 2016 - 10:01 AM, said:

I have to admit I'm pretty ambivalent about the Kingfisher and Turkina as well. The only other assaults I'd like to see are either Battlemechs or outside the timeline.


I'm not sure I'd completely agree with this. Sure, they all have their issues, but the only omni assault we have in the game I'd really call garbage is the Gargles.

I like my Warhawk, Executioner, and Direwolf though. I'm pretty happy with them and tend to get good, (for me anyway), results using them. Granted I think I actually like my Mauler better than any of my Clan assaults, but still, they can definitely hold their own most the time.

I was referring (context) to the available ones left to add in a pack.

Navid A1, on 14 January 2016 - 11:32 AM, said:

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so... which category do I fit in?

Imperius, on 14 January 2016 - 12:46 PM, said:

Just ignore him like I will from now on, the only good thing Bishop ever has done is help make sure some mechs look right. Other than that 32,000Ish troll posts.

Guess he got so scared when people told his Urbanmech no that when others ask for thier childhood mechs he has to follow suit cause the butt hurt is still strong with him.

ahh, so good to see how strong the butthurt is..... disagree with a person once, and watch them go all batcrap psycho about it. Lol.

You were wrong, and you kept digging yourself deeper because of your own agenda. Sooner you accept that and move on, the happier you'll be sparky. But that'll take a degree of self honesty your posts show sorely lacking.

Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

Fully articulated could mean there is both vertical and horizontal articulation.

Or it could be defined as having the entire range of horizontal articulation as well. You guys didn't define your terms so neither of you are wrong.

I can accept that, it's more the d-nozzle tone I was being flippant about anyhow.

[Widowmaker1981]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

Fully articulated could mean there is both vertical and horizontal articulation.

Or it could be defined as having the entire range of horizontal articulation as well. You guys didn't define your terms so neither of you are wrong.

Yeah, thats why i used articulated rather than actuated - in my experience running a mech like a Warhawk with only 1 LAA is just as good as running one with 2 LAAs like the HGN-IIC - because the important thing is the speed of fine target tracking, not that extra 10° movement at the far extreme of your torso twist range. If your torso didnt auto follow the arm it would be different, but it does. Play a mech with 2 LAAs and all arm weapons and watch how much time you spend with the arm reticule at even 30% of its maximum extension, except when torso twisting.

edit: only taking laterally, which is also the only thing affected by number of actuators.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 14 January 2016 - 01:01 PM.

[pbiggz]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

looks like it's simple enough to accept this pack won't have the assault you want. Seriously, we all have that in the packs where there are mechs in them we could care less. Perhaps by the next Omni Pack they will advance timeline. I guess I don't get why people can't just accept it and move on, instead of forcing a square peg into a round hole.

About half the mech sin any the packs IS or Clan, I haven't wanted, haven't been "my choice" of mechs. I don't make a big stink about it, I just don't buy that mech without compelling reason (only got Jenner IICs because it made more sense to spend 5 bucks more to get the HBK pack than a la carte, for instance. Ditto the arctic cheetah..only one I wanted was the Shadowcat.)

Just about the only suggestions I had for a clan assault omnimech were the turkina (but only if sped up) and the blood asp (but only if they fudge loadouts).

I expect mechs like the MK II and the Kodiak, and make no mistake, we're gonna get both at this point, its just a question of when, will come in one off packs like the unseens.

[Bishop Steiner]

KinLuu, on 14 January 2016 - 10:25 AM, said:

Unless some massive balance changes are happening, this will be true for almost all clan mechs to be released.

Metas shift. This one has been strong for about a year (starting to form before that, but wasn't entrenched till beginning of last year). If everything is planned solely around the current meta, then the QQ gets real strong when stuff does shift.

pbiggz, on 14 January 2016 - 01:02 PM, said:

Just about the only suggestions I had for a clan assault omnimech were the turkina (but only if sped up) and the blood asp (but only if they fudge loadouts).

I expect mechs like the MK II and the Kodiak, and make no mistake, we're gonna get both at this point, its just a question of when, will come in one off packs like the unseens.

That's really the point I have been making all along about iconic mechs like the IIC...there is no need to force them, because we all know they WILL arrive. It's the not cool kids that need the campaigning. People just got to be patient.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Navid A1, on 14 January 2016 - 11:32 AM, said:

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so... which category do I fit in?

Saw that coming a mile out...

Imperius, on 14 January 2016 - 12:46 PM, said:

Just ignore him like I will from now on, the only good thing Bishop ever has done is help make sure some mechs look right. Other than that 32,000Ish troll posts.

Guess he got so scared when people told his Urbanmech no that when others ask for thier childhood mechs he has to follow suit cause the butt hurt is still strong with him.

Do you know how much of a whinny brat this makes you sound like? I mean my toddler whines less about missing an episode of Paw Patrol, than you do about being told no on the Mad Cat MkII...

Edited by Metus regem, 14 January 2016 - 01:07 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Widowmaker1981, on 14 January 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Yeah, thats why i used articulated rather than actuated - in my experience running a mech like a Warhawk with only 1 LAA is just as good as running one with 2 LAAs like the HGN-IIC - because the important thing is the speed of fine target tracking, not that extra 10° movement at the far extreme of your torso twist range. If your torso didnt auto follow the arm it would be different, but it does. Play a mech with 2 LAAs and all arm weapons and watch how much time you spend with the arm reticule at even 30% of its maximum extension, except when torso twisting.

edit: only taking laterally, which is also the only thing affected by number of actuators.

Well, as a medium brawler, that's kind of where I live, lol. So that's what I tend to view as "fully articulated". But I can accept your definition too, ain't no thing. *shrug*

Metus regem, on 14 January 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

Saw that coming a mile out...





Do you know how much a whinny brat this makes you sound like? I mean my toddler whines less about missing an episode of Paw Patrol, than you do about being told no on the Mad Cat MkII...

In 3 years, of Imperius' good traits (and he does have them when he isn't playing the wounded "me against the world" crap), I would not list self awareness very highly.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 January 2016 - 01:06 PM.

[pbiggz]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Well, as a medium brawler, that's kind of where I live, lol. So that's what I tend to view as "fully articulated". But I can accept your definition too, ain't no thing. *shrug*


In 3 years, of Imperius' good traits (and he does have them when he isn't playing the wounded "me against the world" crap), I would not list self awareness very highly.

imperius has said he's going to ignore you from now on, i suggest you return the favour, for all of our sakes. You know where I stand but at this point im sick and tired of watching you two and lastkhan bitching at each other like you're all an old married couple.

Edited by pbiggz, 14 January 2016 - 01:11 PM.

[Metus regem]

pbiggz, on 14 January 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

imperius has said he's going to ignore you from now on, i suggest you return the favour, for all of our sakes. You know where I stand but at this point im sick and tired of watching you two and lastkhan bitching.

It is kind of entertaining on a slow work day though....

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Hows the Banshee holding up post agility nerf? Haven't really run mine enough, curious what the "leet consensus" was... quirks and hardpoints still enough to keep it upper deck?


IDK... PGI has also just released some bad robots and left them bad...Nova, Summoner, Gargles.....Shadowcat.

The Banshee 3M is still a good laser vomit platform. 3 LPL, 5 ML, 73.3 kph, enough heatsinks, its pretty good.

True but apparently they are thinking these things out better now, hence why they should be getting better at improving some things about these mechs. Nova and Gargles actually have their roles believe it or not. They aren't the BEST but they are just plain good. Gargles is a phenomenal cSPL boat, Nova isn't bad at that either, and is also a good ERPPC poptarter, it just needs more help to be BJ-3 status. Summoner, Shadow Cat, yeah they need something. MASC buff incoming!

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 14 January 2016 - 01:19 PM.