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[Dahkoht]

I'm still waiting for the "pros" to explain how Atlas Overlord just did what they said can't be done ?

The excuses taking that long to work up ?

[Deathlike]

Dahkoht, on 14 February 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

I'm still waiting for the "pros" to explain how Atlas Overlord just did what they said can't be done ?

The excuses taking that long to work up ?

Noone takes the solo queue as a semblance of skill.

[Dingo Battler]

If you want to use that on lower tiers, be my guest. That's what the tier system is for anyway, so that the non-tryhards have someplace to play. It's your time, your account, your mechs. Anyone that QQ about you causing them to lose is a no-skill scrub that cannot carry well anyway. If you're in a higher tier, and can pull that off, then all the more power to you.

However, don't try to call it what it isn't. It isn't a good build. Its crap if anything. No one can tell you not to pilot it, but neither should you tell people its a viable build.

Its like taking an urbie. It's cool, but you can't call it good.

I actually wish there was a way to shift tiers to a more relaxed one, like if you take a certain combination of weapons/stock, it'll automatically shift you to tier 4/5. That'll allow more experimentation and fun.

There should be a stock mode where you can swap 2 weapons at max, and very limited customisation, with certain "fun" builds locked in as "stock", like LRM atlas. Every 2-3 months, people vote in another fun build to use.

Edited by KBurn85, 14 February 2016 - 07:13 PM.

[Dahkoht]

Deathlike, on 14 February 2016 - 07:08 PM, said:

Noone takes the solo queue as a semblance of skill.

Actually all the so called pros and experts in this thread (the vocal whiners) have been very much whining about the OP using that build in exactly what we are talking about , the solo queue.

Again, whats the excuse now ?

[Mcgral18]

MrMadguy, on 14 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

Elitism - is deciding, what is absolutely good and what is absolutely bad, when you don't have a right to do it. You are saying "LRMs are absolutely bad" or "Using LRM20 on 10 tubes hardpoint - is absolutely bad". The problem is in fact, that this decisions aren't absolutely bad. They may be just a few % worse. This few % may mean something on world-wide tournament, but they doesn't mean anything in average pug match. Telling, that those, who just 1% worse then you, are absolute bads and doesn't deserve playing this game - that's, what I call elitism. Also your opinions - aren't absolute truth. They're just your subjective opinions - nothing more. Even gamedevs may make mistakes. If you don't like LRMs or don't know, how to use them - it doesn't mean, that they are bad. It's your problem - it's you, who should L2P in this case.

In MWO, that isn't the case.

Some things are objectively worse than others, like LRM20s VS LRM10s (or any smaller tube count). Massed 5s are the best (of the Terribad) options, because better cooldown, lower spread.

It's not elitist to be aware of how things work. It's called being objective. 10% worse is 10% worse, objectively.

Malachy Karrde, on 14 February 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

Gyrok is merely another Meta is the only way guy. I've planted more of them than I care to count. I'm willing to put my build against anything he wants to come up with. 80 to 100 tons. Don't care what he drives.
I have 6 more days of premium time and will be on this time tomorrow. I will even Fraps the match and put it on youtube. I'm that confident

The WubShee feasts.
Unless you want a real Whale build, but I don't like Whales.

Your Whale, of course, has real guns, doesn't it?
I know JMan ran LRM30 with Tri UAC10s.
Guess where the actual effectiveness comes from?

Dahkoht, on 14 February 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

I'm still waiting for the "pros" to explain how Atlas Overlord just did what they said can't be done ?

The excuses taking that long to work up ?

I've gotten 1000+ damage and 6 Kills in a Myth Lynx...doing well in the PUG LIFE can be a joke, when the enemy team AND your team are both Terribad, to the highest degree.
There was one competent guy I recognize on the other team, though, and his performance is adequate, unlike a quarter of his team.

Team 1 won because they had fewer Terribads.


At least I know why Atlas Overlord is a gigantic **** now, it's Ordellus. He really is full of himself.

[Barantor]

Deathlike, on 14 February 2016 - 07:08 PM, said:

Noone takes the solo queue as a semblance of skill.

And yet, what started this whole thing was a guy tired of getting grief for his build IN THE SOLO QUEUE....

It's hilarious that this thread is still going though, keep it up.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Mcgral18, on 14 February 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

He really is full of himself.

Love you too.

[pyrocomp]

Deathlike, on 14 February 2016 - 06:51 PM, said:

In solo, you can get away with a lot more stuff that shouldn't work. Once you ever decide to show up in group queue, this is where people complain about it being "too hard". There's a good reason for that (hint: people don't realize how little teamwork or intelligence shows up in the solo queue).

Sure thing. But it is a group queue where I saw the dumbest things done. Not in the solo queue. It was the group queue where the whole team bee-lined into the pretty obvious and visible enemy firing line after some, by coincidence, brawling Atlas declared that we push or else he's not good at all for the team. And few agreed that it's a push or else two short-ranged brawlers are a liability and we loose anyway. On Polar. 15 seconds into match. Pushing full forward dead center few minutes before first shots. Just cannot remember when such things were pulled in solo queue. In solo you can try to pull many things, like base defense in assaults mode on Bog. It is futile in group. Or it is strongly time one dependent, not sure. So my limited experience tells me that on average group queue is more unbalanced and less thoughtful than solo queue is.

[Dahkoht]

Barantor, on 14 February 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

And yet, what started this whole thing was a guy tired of getting grief for his build IN THE SOLO QUEUE....

It's hilarious that this thread is still going though, keep it up.

Amazing isn't it ? How quickly the loudest whiners change their story ? The entire thread has been about the OP playing pickup solo queue and most saying it's cool play whatever.

It's the elitist wannabee "pros" who did the whining , now they are changing their story.

The "pros" sure can't keep their own excuses straight even.

[Nauht]

Hmm the more I read about people telling me how to play the more I want to deliberately run bad builds.

[Dahkoht]

XFellDragonX, on 14 February 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

I dare you guys to use this build OP is using, please tell us how well that goes If you can easily get 500 - 600 damage then I'll concede, I tell you right now though none of you will break 400 it would be extremely lucky.

I think the reason OP has ANY success at all is because he's at the point where you go from scrub land tier 4 and 5 to 2 and 1 and still has noobs who can't handle LRMs.

The Atlas Overlord, on 14 February 2016 - 05:51 PM, said:

Challenge Accepted

Edit: LOL literally first try. Video incoming... wait longer for it to finish processing the 720 resolution.



Tier 1, 4 kills, 700+ damage.

Feel free to concede anytime.

[Deathlike]

Dahkoht, on 14 February 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

Actually all the so called pros and experts in this thread (the vocal whiners) have been very much whining about the OP using that build in exactly what we are talking about , the solo queue.

Again, whats the excuse now ?

I don't take the solo queue for proof of much anything... whether a bad mech is actually bad (Mist Lynx 1k damage screens) or a good mech is actually OP (seen enough of those as is).

Barantor, on 14 February 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

And yet, what started this whole thing was a guy tired of getting grief for his build IN THE SOLO QUEUE....

It's hilarious that this thread is still going though, keep it up.

WHen it starts to matter, don't blame the vets that are suggesting tips to improve yourself.

pyrocomp, on 14 February 2016 - 07:18 PM, said:

Sure thing. But it is a group queue where I saw the dumbest things done. Not in the solo queue. It was the group queue where the whole team bee-lined into the pretty obvious and visible enemy firing line after some, by coincidence, brawling Atlas declared that we push or else he's not good at all for the team. And few agreed that it's a push or else two short-ranged brawlers are a liability and we loose anyway. On Polar. 15 seconds into match. Pushing full forward dead center few minutes before first shots. Just cannot remember when such things were pulled in solo queue. In solo you can try to pull many things, like base defense in assaults mode on Bog. It is futile in group. Or it is strongly time one dependent, not sure. So my limited experience tells me that on average group queue is more unbalanced and less thoughtful than solo queue is.

There are a lot of bad group play that goes on (because, people aren't really learning stats, there's more "monkey see, monkey do" even though when it's applied, it's applied poorly and incorrectly more often than not.

[Barantor]

Deathlike, on 14 February 2016 - 07:27 PM, said:

WHen it starts to matter, don't blame the vets that are suggesting tips to improve yourself.

Funny enough I notice more real vets in this thread finding it hilarious and saying leave the guy alone than speaking up about his build. One of the guys here basically had folks running in fear of his Atlas in beta....

#bestthread2016

[Ghogiel]

Spr1ggan, on 14 February 2016 - 06:41 PM, said:

Cos T1 isn't full of bads and the tier system totally isn't an XP bar...

I've had EMP players while pugging prime time NA in my T3 account. It's funny when you know whether you are the filler in a higher tier match or underhive. I don't even think there are any T1 games being played though, not strictly, and even if there was it would hard to tell whether they were T1 or T3 XD

[Dahkoht]

Deathlike, on 14 February 2016 - 07:27 PM, said:

I don't take the solo queue for proof of much anything... whether a bad mech is actually bad (Mist Lynx 1k damage screens) or a good mech is actually OP (seen enough of those as is).




WHen it starts to matter, don't blame the vets that are suggesting tips to improve yourself.



There are a lot of bad group play that goes on (because, people aren't really learning stats, there's more "monkey see, monkey do" even though when it's applied, it's applied poorly and incorrectly more often than not.

When is this ? Genuinely curious.

I mean , for me (and it seems most adults ) , video games never "matter".

[Malachy Karrde]

There are vets and there are vets. I have noticed that what works for a few becomes Meta and then everyone is expected to toe the line and do it that way. Well, folks, meta isn't always the optimum way of doing things for everyones particular fighting style. I for one don't do well with "meta" builds, in solo or group queue. If you know how to use your build to its maximum effectiveness, its going to be just as good as some "meta" build that a few elitists have decided that is the only way to build a mech. These machines are customizable for a reason, some builds may excel in one situation and totally suck balls in another. The other way to go is to do a balanced build and be decent in every category, and that is what I try to do and it appears the OP tries to do. Suggestions are fine but anyone who says "that wont work in tier x, is full of bull excrement. If you know how to use it, it will work.

And yes, my whale has guns, it also has lasers occasionally, I like to mix it up from time to time. But I usually do 200+ damage with the missiles before anyone ever comes in range of my guns. I also have a full scale topographical printout of each map beside my desk with "kill zones" marked. I rarely ever miss a shot with my missiles due to an enemy moving to cover.

I for one am very tired of people (the same 20 or so here in the forums) coming out and saying "this or that loadout will never work because I am so awesome and my way is the best" Well earth to sally, we are all human beings here and we all have different skillsets and preferences. Just because you and your friends haven't made it work, doesn't mean no one can. So everyone, play your own game, ignore the trolls, and see what works for yourselves, and best of all have fun. I do:)

[Razorfish]

Right now, I am going to build an Atlas with LRMs in it.

See you on the battlefield!

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Razorfish, on 14 February 2016 - 07:54 PM, said:

Right now, I am going to build an Atlas with LRMs in it.

See you on the battlefield!

Welcome to the fold brother

[Malachy Karrde]

All of us guys and gals who are "stupid" and use "dumb" builds should form an Anti 'meta" unit lol

Edited by Malachy Karrde, 14 February 2016 - 07:59 PM.