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[Gould Vickers]

given the fact that atlases can take a few minutes to get near an enemy, having a few missiles to shoot in that time just seems sensible.

[Spr1ggan]

Malachy Karrde, on 14 February 2016 - 07:59 PM, said:

All of us guys and gals who are "stupid" and use "dumb" builds should form an Anti 'meta" unit lol

And sign up for MRBC and see how well those builds and decks do.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Spr1ggan, on 15 February 2016 - 02:40 AM, said:

And sign up for MRBC and see how well those builds and decks do.

"Hey use this thing you don't care about to prove something to guys whose opinions you don't value"

Whew, many LoLs to be had today.

[Templar Dane]

HOLD LOCKS

Yeah, let me just sit in front of the entire enemy team to hold a lock. While I am being pummeled by the entire enemy team, the LRM guy can unload his 'awesome payload' and gently caress one of the enemy mechs.

Let me spend 40k on a uav that gets shot down after 5 seconds so some dude in the back that isn't going to take damage until the rest of the team is dead and then get run over 12v1.

And LRMs are especially bad in CW.

Grim Portico - This map is almost nothing but LRM cover
Emerald Taiga - Probably second best map for LRMs but still plenty of cover
Hellebore Springs - Inside and around the gates there's plenty of cover
Sulfurous Rift - Again plenty of cover everywhere
Vitric Forge - Cover everywhere inside, outside doesn't matter because you're already winning/losing if the fight moves to the outside
Boreal Vault - This map is potential for LRMs but only if multiple people are using them

Any potential LRMs might have is pretty much totally negated by enemy ecm or massed AMS. I've only seen them do well one time and that was on boreal with multiple dedicated narc mechs and zero ecm/ams on the enemy team.

A team could always use another mech on the line rather than one in the rear. Being able to put pinpoint damage where it's needed without a delay, WHILE being on the front and taking a bit of damage for the rest of the team. Pushes get stalled because there's nobody else to take the lead that doesn't have exposed internals....if only the LRM guys had brought real mechs instead......

[Lily from animove]

You surely should try to have fun in first place, but you should surely not start to be a liability to your team because you make bad builds on intention or against sense. Because rit is still kinda ruining other peoples games as well. And agive and take thing here since the game unfortunately doesn't have a real "casual group queue"

[Spr1ggan]

The Atlas Overlord, on 15 February 2016 - 02:48 AM, said:

"Hey use this thing you don't care about to prove something to guys whose opinions you don't value"

Whew, many LoLs to be had today.

Only lols to be had are at these builds.

[Jon Gotham]

Tasker, on 14 February 2016 - 09:33 AM, said:

I've never, ever played another multiplayer game in which the community actively resisted getting better at it.

*sigh* occasionally you say things I just have to agree with...still recovering from last time!

Dear coordinator!

[Ratpoison]

The best part about build police is that they're so stuck in their view of the meta, they let their guard down when they see anything else on the field. The vast majority of them aren't even good enough to play on a competitive team, so you can wreck them using just about anything along with a bit of skill. I can't count how many times I've watched enemies make dumb stops and lazy shots under the assumption that my unconventional mech or build will be an easy kill. They don't realize that quickplay is far far different from faction play and competitive group play, and it makes them weak when they play it.

[Mead]

Jon Gotham, on 15 February 2016 - 04:25 AM, said:

*sigh* occasionally you say things I just have to agree with...still recovering from last time!

Dear coordinator!

It doesn't matter what the message is, if the delivery is jerkish or abusive people aren't going to listen. That's what the pushback is about, not that people don't want to play better. Note that the OP took advice from someone who was civil about it.

[pyrocomp]

lordtzar, on 15 February 2016 - 03:27 AM, said:

HOLD LOCKS

Yeah, let me just sit in front of the entire enemy team to hold a lock. While I am being pummeled by the entire enemy team, the LRM guy can unload his 'awesome payload' and gently caress one of the enemy mechs.

Let me spend 40k on a uav that gets shot down after 5 seconds so some dude in the back that isn't going to take damage until the rest of the team is dead and then get run over 12v1.

And LRMs are especially bad in CW.

Grim Portico - This map is almost nothing but LRM cover
Emerald Taiga - Probably second best map for LRMs but still plenty of cover
Hellebore Springs - Inside and around the gates there's plenty of cover
Sulfurous Rift - Again plenty of cover everywhere
Vitric Forge - Cover everywhere inside, outside doesn't matter because you're already winning/losing if the fight moves to the outside
Boreal Vault - This map is potential for LRMs but only if multiple people are using them

Any potential LRMs might have is pretty much totally negated by enemy ecm or massed AMS. I've only seen them do well one time and that was on boreal with multiple dedicated narc mechs and zero ecm/ams on the enemy team.

A team could always use another mech on the line rather than one in the rear. Being able to put pinpoint damage where it's needed without a delay, WHILE being on the front and taking a bit of damage for the rest of the team. Pushes get stalled because there's nobody else to take the lead that doesn't have exposed internals....if only the LRM guys had brought real mechs instead......

Hell, I'm doing it all wrong on those maps. And, I don't know was that the intented design or just a coinsidence but the reasonable cover on the CW maps (except Vitric Forge) is available only at places from where you cannot participate actively or are open to direct fire. So spooking people into hiding is a valid way to assist your team without the risk of shooting your temmates into the backs.

Over that, can anybody of those LRMs-are-a-liability guys explain me why 'soaking damage is The Purpose of an assult mech'? I was under impression that the goal is to damage the opponent and keep you mech as intact as possible? no deliberate 'shoot me, I'm pushing' or any other form of dealing damage only when receiving it?

And how to assist your teammates puishing the bottleneck from second row/middle row/kissing row/...row/back row (happens when only a mech or two can go through that narrow passage)?

[Kodyn]

Wow, lot going on in this thread, when it really boils down to a very simple concept.

This is the internet. You can do pretty much whatever you want, but you also have to expect and accept that everyone else can too.

You run sub-par builds in a game that many view as a competitive team game, you have to accept that you will get crap for it. You aren't going to get people to not point out something they see as stupid, any more than them pointing out your mistakes is going to make you change what you're doing.

Basically, the community as a whole has just as much right to dislike your builds and you for using them as you have to resist getting better or helping your team more.

This entire thread was just here to make one person feel better about their own actions, and is ultimately just as pointless as the advice people were giving the OP in game. Players aren't going to suddenly stop calling out other players for bad builds, and lower-end players aren't going to suddenly gain a new attitude about the game and decide to get better.

If he's having fun, he's gonna keep on doing his thing, whether it works well or makes anyone else happy or not. At the same time, he has to accept that there will always be someone pointing out how poor his build is. Get over it. This is the internet. Go play in the sandbox if you want your hand held and everyone to tell you it's all gonna be ok in the end. That applies to both sides of the argument.

[MrMadguy]

Kodyn, on 15 February 2016 - 05:06 AM, said:

You run sub-par builds in a game that many view as a competitive team game, you have to accept that you will get crap for it. You aren't going to get people to not point out something they see as stupid, any more than them pointing out your mistakes is going to make you change what you're doing.

Lol. How can you even think about calling this game "competitive team game", when balance is almost nonexistent in it?

[Malachy Karrde]

Sub par for one is supremely effective for another. I note that the meta guy back a dozen pages ago did not accept my challenge. Or anyone else. I dare any meta build efficionado to bring their meta assault mech against my lrm equipped one and see how long they last. Put your metal where your mouth is, or shut up. Just because you aren't good enough to make something work is no excuse to say someone else is sub par. I've absolutely had it with the meta elitist ****** on these forums. The atlas overlord pretty much debunked the whole meta myth a few posts back. The thing about customization is that you aren't forced into any role, a person can choose whatever role they want. As long as they are putting out damage comparable to the rest of the team, I say with great disrespect to all the meta screamers, F off.

Edited by Malachy Karrde, 15 February 2016 - 05:20 AM.

[Jaqir]

@OP:

You're what this, and many other online games need more of. Looking forward to seeing you on the battlefield, on either side. o>

[Kodyn]

MrMadguy, on 15 February 2016 - 05:19 AM, said:

Lol. How can you even think about calling this game "competitive team game", when balance is almost nonexistent in it?

See, I didn't actually call it that, if you read my post, I said "many view it as..".

As I said, it's the internet, everyone has every right to disagree with each other, so both sides of this argument will never get anywhere. But this thread will surely continue with people posting on both sides, thinking that their way of thinking is the only right way.

I personally think the OP's build is bad, but I also am not one to call out people in matches for their builds. I know better. He has just as much right to run his stuff as I do mine. Everyone needs to get over themselves.

[PocketYoda]

Honestly OP play the game as you feel, if the competitive egos attack you just mute them and ignore..

[MrMadguy]

Samial, on 15 February 2016 - 05:25 AM, said:

Honestly OP play the game as you feel, if the competitive egos attack you just mute them and ignore..

+1. Recently I've turned all chats off. There is nothing important, other players can say to me in pug queue. There is nothing important, I can tell them.

[B0oN]

People from my unit made fun of me for bringing a TBR with the odd LRM´s ...
Until I fielded it on Tukkayid 2 right besides their brawlers and had the same damage as them

Eh, Johnnay ... as long as YOU don´t hang back with that fattie like so many others do and ACTUALLY TANK, nothing can be said against that loadout if it works for you .
Just don´t hang back with your Atlants or you´ll earn the ire of everybody, me included, since Atlants were made to push

[mogs01gt]

King Alen, on 14 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

Yea to many people give advice poorly. Telling people there build sucks or I'd stupid is not the best way to give mech building advice. I say build them however you want, everyone has there own playstyle and it may work for you,even if others can't make it work.

If your "play style" doesnt fit the mech you are in and you run a bad build, the issue is YOU and not the people telling you that the build sucks.

Find a mech to fits your play style, do not try to make a mech fit your play style. I know I shouldnt use and will never own a 100t mech. It doesnt fit how I play MWO.

MrMadguy, on 15 February 2016 - 05:28 AM, said:

+1. Recently I've turned all chats off. There is nothing important, other players can say to me in pug queue. There is nothing important, I can tell them.

****** serious?? So when someone says, "UAV in d4", you're the ******* that walks underneath it??

Edited by mogs01gt, 15 February 2016 - 06:11 AM.

[ScarecrowES]

Is this thing still going? Jesus. Same arguments as yesterday. Boring.