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[jonfett]

Ghogiel, on 15 February 2016 - 06:30 PM, said:

Distinct lack of gifs in this thread.

...and it's missing popcorn

Edited by jonfett, 15 February 2016 - 07:29 PM.

[Nauht]

jonfett, on 15 February 2016 - 07:26 PM, said:

...and it's missing popcorn

And it better be properly buttered and salted popcorn roased slowly and popped properly.

Cos if you're running a bd popcorn build that's not what popcorn is supposed to be, e.g. caramelized popcorn you're gonna start another 25 page megathread.

[ScarecrowES]

Nauht, on 15 February 2016 - 07:15 PM, said:

Rofl... if you're the type that can't separate your RL persona and how you treat others in RL from an internet one then you need to step away from the kb.

This is not RL. You don't know me and I don't know you.

I'm sure the vast majority here treats everyone with respect in RL and the majority also realises that the internet isn't.

This has nothing to do about how you treat others in RL as it's an online game. Sure there may be real people on the other end but I don't know you, don't care to know you, could not care less if someone I dont know gets angry at me. Go right ahead if it stops you punching your monitor.

But what does affect me, in my own leisure time, is playing what I want how I want. So yeah, when it comes to internet gaming my fun > your fun.

If you're the type of person that thinks your semi-anonymity somehow excuses your lack of character well... I suppose you might be a sociopath. But of course, the "participation trophy" generation is all grown up now, so this might just be a symptom of that.

I honestly don't see it as a negative to treat people respectfully regardless of whether or not I know or particularly care about them. In fact, causing another person ill just because you can? Tsk Tsk. Shameful.

Edited by ScarecrowES, 15 February 2016 - 07:34 PM.

[Dahkoht]

Nauht, on 15 February 2016 - 07:29 PM, said:

And it better be properly buttered and salted popcorn roased slowly and popped properly.

Cos if you're running a bd popcorn build that's not what popcorn is supposed to be, e.g. caramelized popcorn you're gonna start another 25 page megathread.

You've lost your damn mind , you should only put medium amounts of butter on it and no salt. And eat only two kernels at a time.

Otherwise if you eat it any other way it ruins how I eat my popcorn.

[ScarecrowES]

Nauht, on 15 February 2016 - 07:29 PM, said:

And it better be properly buttered and salted popcorn roased slowly and popped properly.

Cos if you're running a bd popcorn build that's not what popcorn is supposed to be, e.g. caramelized popcorn you're gonna start another 25 page megathread.

Only if you create a thread complaining that people complain about your bad popcorn

[Gyrok]

MeanFacedJohnny, on 15 February 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

TBH, lately I have been getting more damage in my brawler atlas than my D-DC. I'm slowly getting better at brawling with it as opposed to me Ilya or my HM. I still have more fun playing my D-DC however. The why of it, if you insist, is because I am a child of the 90's (born today in 87 to be exact, rifleman is my bday gift to myself!) and my D-DC is my Megazord. I don't know why I think of it like that considering the megazord was all sword and fists, but I do. I like it. I actually don't play any mechs, aside from my misery, that don't resemble the human, or megazord, form. Misery gets a pass cause it's awesome paint scheme. It's mechsist I know, but it's how I like em. That's the honest truth. Love it or hate it. D-DC is my Megazord and I have a blast playing it.

Honestly, if you want some tips, or help, I would be happy to show you the way of direct fire weapons.

I hope you learn to run your mechs to the best of your ability to the benefit of friendly competition for all.

[MauttyKoray]

xXBagheeraXx, on 14 February 2016 - 08:00 AM, said:

Lrm 20s on an atlas is a bad idea because you dont have enough tubes to effectively use all those LRMS...its just a BAD build...

yeah its YOUR mech i get that but you gimp your team by carrying such sub optimal weapons...

Actually its fairly effective because it shoots out in a Double 10. I have a LRM boat that uses 4 LRM15 and thus it shoots in a 10/5 and then 9x5 volleys in full rotation from the first to the fourth and then back to the first immediately.

[Nauht]

ScarecrowES, on 15 February 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

If you're the type of person that thinks your semi-anonymity somehow excuses your lack of character well... I suppose you might be a sociopath. But of course, the "participation trophy" generation is all grown up now, so this might just be a symptom of that.

I honestly don't see it as a negative to treat people respectfully regardless of whether or not I know or particularly care about them. In fact, causing another person ill just because you can? Tsk Tsk. Shameful.

Like I said you don't know a damn thing about my character irl and I don't know yours.

I could surmise, just as you have, that you're really a small, introverted person that can't really deal with rl and are projecting your insecurities into your online persona in the form of some form of "honourable conduct".

But pls, feel free to write another wall of text that I wont read and try to pscho-analyse my rl charcter based purely on responses in a gaming forum.

[ScarecrowES]

MauttyKoray, on 15 February 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

Actually its fairly effective because it shoots out in a Double 10. I have a LRM boat that uses 4 LRM15 and thus it shoots in a 10/5 and then 9x5 volleys in full rotation from the first to the fourth and then back to the first immediately.

Well the point is, of course, that the cooldown for a launcher doesn't start until all missiles are fired. So when you fire a large launcher through a small number of tubes, you're adding the volley time to your cooldown, and thus gimping your total damage output per time investment. By using a larger number of smaller racks, rather than a smaller number of large racks, you're greatly increasing the output capability of the number of LRMs you mount. Taken together... the shorter cooldowns of smaller racks, and the lack of penalty from too-large racks through too-few tubes... the improvement is significant.

[ScarecrowES]

Nauht, on 15 February 2016 - 07:52 PM, said:

Like I said you don't know a damn thing about my character irl and I don't know yours.

I could surmise, just as you have, that you're really a small, introverted person that can't really deal with rl and are projecting your insecurities into your online persona in the form of some form of "honourable conduct".

But pls, feel free to write another wall of text that I wont read and try to pscho-analyse my rl charcter based purely on responses in a gaming forum.

You can actually tell a great deal about me from what you see here... as I don't somehow change my character when I sit online. Cuz you know... not a sociopath and all. Why would I suddenly feel the need to be a complete ****** to people just because those people are not standing in the room right in front of me? Golden rule and such. In speaking of insecurities... only a truly sad person would feel the need to be anything but what they are, regardless of the ability to hide behind a wall of anonymity. The internet emboldens the most wretched amongst us, as they say.

The fact that you're willing to draw a distinction between "real life" people, and people on the other end of these messages, is very telling. Perhaps you are only capable of justifying your own behavior to yourself if you try to see others online as not "real people"? As if the consequences of your behavior are somehow different if a person is in, say, Finland, rather than sitting in the room next to you?

Cuz when people say "my fun > than yours" this is basically the line they're taking. Avoiding having to make a walk of shame for being a ****** person somehow makes being a ****** person ok, right? A lack of enforceable consequences means it's ok, obviously.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nauht, on 15 February 2016 - 07:52 PM, said:

Like I said you don't know a damn thing about my character irl and I don't know yours.

I could surmise, just as you have, that you're really a small, introverted person that can't really deal with rl and are projecting your insecurities into your online persona in the form of some form of "honourable conduct".

But pls, feel free to write another wall of text that I wont read and try to pscho-analyse my rl charcter based purely on responses in a gaming forum.

Actually, people seldom have separate personas, online vs off. Anonymity (and alcohol) simply remove the filters that IRL consequences tend to lay on us. A jerk online is almost always a jerk offline, just more toned down.

Yet more and more, we are seeing less separation between the two. But someone who is rude and disrespectful when hiding behind anonymity is simply revealing their true character.

Because the real person is the one we reveal when we think no one is looking and when there will be no consequences.

You can claim to be a special princess exception, but you're only fooling yourself.

[ScarecrowES]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2016 - 08:17 PM, said:

Actually, people seldom have separate personas, online vs off. Anonymity (and alcohol) simply remove the filters that IRL consequences tend to lay on us. A jerk online is almost always a jerk offline, just more toned down.

Yet more and more, we are seeing less separation between the two. But someone who is rude and disrespectful when hiding behind anonymity is simply revealing their true character.

Because the real person is the one we reveal when we think no one is looking and when there will be no consequences.

You can claim to be a special princess exception, but you're only fooling yourself.

I'm not sure I'd have been able to put it better. Thank you.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Dahkoht, on 15 February 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

You've lost your damn mind , you should only put medium amounts of butter on it and no salt. And eat only two kernels at a time.

Otherwise if you eat it any other way it ruins how I eat my popcorn.

I can not stand the smell of popcorn. I find it vile and disgusting. Believe it or not, I do not mind the taste all that much, but that stench wafting from it while it cooks is enough to make me want to puke. I have to go to extreme measures just to go to a movie, measures that I rarely resort to, the movie would have to be REALLY REALLY special to make me suffer through the smell.

Anyone that actually LIKES the smell of popcorn is beneath my notice and should have his humanity card revoked. But that is just my opinion, you may disagree. But if you do you are an idiot

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Dahkoht, on 15 February 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

You've lost your damn mind , you should only put medium amounts of butter on it and no salt. And eat only two kernels at a time.

Otherwise if you eat it any other way it ruins how I eat my popcorn.

Oh god, that's funny

[Mcgral18]

MauttyKoray, on 15 February 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

Actually its fairly effective because it shoots out in a Double 10. I have a LRM boat that uses 4 LRM15 and thus it shoots in a 10/5 and then 9x5 volleys in full rotation from the first to the fourth and then back to the first immediately.

I remember putting an LRM20 in the 2 tube Awesome (way back when), and over half the missiles outright missed the Commando at 200M.


Pretty sure spread is static, and does not adjust upon tube count. He's getting 2 20 sized volleys (well, was)

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 15 February 2016 - 09:28 PM, said:

I remember putting an LRM20 in the 2 tube Awesome (way back when), and over half the missiles outright missed the Commando at 200M.


Pretty sure spread is static, and does not adjust upon tube count. He's getting 2 20 sized volleys (well, was)

Yeah, but you gotta admit sticking an LRM20 into the Raven's NARC slot was just so fun!!!!

[DeaconW]

ScarecrowES, on 14 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

The problem is multi-fold.

First, this is not YOUR game. It's a team game.

Hahaha...Oh, Sorry. You were serious. It's definitely NOT a team game in the quick queue, most of time. It is mostly people caring a lot more about KDR than WLR. I gave up on teamwork in this game a long time ago...and with PGI giving rewards for "kills most damage done" in events they feed that type of player.

[Bishop Steiner]

ScarecrowES, on 14 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

The problem is multi-fold.

First, this is not YOUR game. It's a team game. You should expect, at all times, to remain competitive for the sake of the other 11 players on your team. If you bring a bad mech and a bad build, you're forcing the 11 other players to carry you. And while you might be having fun slumming it in a bad mech, the 11 other players on your team that are suffering for you probably won't be enjoying the game nearly as much.

Second, I completely agree that you should be able to take whatever build you want, as long as it has the potential to be competitive. Your D-DC build is far from that. 300-600pts of damage in a match is nowhere near competitive for an Atlas. Hell, it's not even competitive for a 35-ton light mech. And much of the damage you're laying down is LRM damage, which in reality is worth half of what the damage total actually is because it's spread all over and not contributing directly to kills. If you were able to rack up ungodly stats in that Atlas, you'd put all naysayers to bed... but you're not. You're posting sub-par stats.

Third, you're not using the hardpoint configuration to best effect for your build, and you're not utilizing the mech itself for its strengths and weaknesses. To have an ECM mech sitting in the back lobbing LRMs (and a paultry number of those as it is) is an insult to the team, and the perfect picture of selfishness. A D-DC should be up front shielding the team and soaking damage. Beyond that, simply the configuration you've chosen under-utilizes the hardpoints you have available... namely the 2 ballistics in the purse, and the many smaller-tube missile racks. Your arrangement of the LRMs is poor, which leads to those weapons mounted to not work as well as they should. You're not using the defining traits of the mech, namely the second ballistic slot and the ECM. You've mounted an engine that is too small for the mech, making you a liability for ambush during the match.

I'm sorry. But you've got a bad build. You put up bad stats in that build. And the playstyle that build is built around is nothing but a liability for the team. All you've done for them is waste an assault slot. I know all this is kinda harsh, and your OP shows clearly you're not receptive to the advice... but it's best to simply change the build to something effective and useful to the team. You'll put up better numbers, enjoy the game more, and the team will thank you for it.

Make you a deal.

When 9 out of 11 of my teammates aren't as useless as t*ts on a boar hog, and stop scattering, playing hide and peek etc?

I'll consider stopping running my fun builds.

But since in my fun builds I still end up vastly outscoring 75% or more of those I play with in their copypasta builds, and still have to do the heavy lifting for us to have a chance, more often than not?

Once most of my other 11 teammates stop sucking, I'm start writing of I'm keeping them down.

But I seriously don't see that happening anytime soon.

In group queue you may have a point. In quick play? I don't owe anyone here a dang thing.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 February 2016 - 10:34 PM.

[Mavairo]

pyrocomp, on 14 February 2016 - 05:06 PM, said:

However, you take only situation when Atlas is already within 270 m of the enemy and can make a good leading shot (SRMs are not that fast) and is alone (ahem, that is bad with any loadout). What this Atlas does all the way there? With LRMs he might've already done some target softening. This is an attempt to judge isolated data. Not a good way to evaluate builds.

Any "softening" any mech a single rack of LRMS does...is a joke, hands down period.

If you want a DDC that can actually soften targets on the way into battle

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...47124e2a3f64f80 even this will be dramatically more effective.

I don't have problems getting to 600 dmg in a brawling DDC. I almost consider 500 dmg, the BASELINE for whether or not an Atlas build is worth fielding or not.

If 600 is your idea of high...that's pretty bad imo.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a75977ba1da4e97 This build will also gaurantee you vastly more dmg above 270 meters than any LRM amount on an Atlas. LRMs are pretty terrible weapons to start with, non boated LRMs are even more garbage.

Non boated LRMs on a mech that doesn't even have the tubes to fire off all it's lrms in one volley is even more bad.

I'm not saying run a pure meta mech..but at least have some idea of build composition for crap sake.

Edited by Mavairo, 15 February 2016 - 10:43 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2016 - 10:31 PM, said:

Make you a deal.

When 9 out of 11 of my teammates aren't as useless as t*ts on a boar hog, and stop scattering, playing hide and peek etc?

I'll consider stopping running my fun builds.

But since in my fun builds I still end up vastly outscoring 75% or more of those I play with in their copypasta builds, and still have to do the heavy lifting for us to have a chance, more often than not?

Once most of my other 11 teammates stop sucking, I'm start writing of I'm keeping them down.

But I seriously don't see that happening anytime soon.

In group queue you may have a point. In quick play? I don't owe anyone here a dang thing.

The reason you end up with a team of bads is the same reason the other team is a team of bads. Statistically there are more bad or mediocre players than good players. As soon as someone gets a decent slice above average you're in a much narrower band, so you're going to be playing largely with people who are not as good as you are.

Which, apparently, means they don't deserve courtesy or respect? You're strongly of the opinion that 75% of the players of the game don't deserve any respect or consideration?

I don't think that's what you mean. Play fun builds - especially if you carry alright in them. There's a world of difference between what you consider a 'fun' build and how you play and the majority of people in LRM Atlases. One thing I don't see you doing when I see you play is camping in the back in an assault, letting the other 11 members of your team get hammered 12 to 11 because you're in the back and then finish off a couple of the people your teammates chewed up before they died and think you 'did good' because you're playing like a scavenger using your team to pad your scores.

No issue with people playing LRMs in pug queue. I certainly do it sometimes. Especially on Polar I get a truly evil giggle out of a Mauler with 3xLRM15s and a NARC, TAG and a couple thousand rounds of LRM ammo. That high-mounted NARC is almost like being in a 90 ton Raven - you peek, NARC, back up and let the rain fall while they realize exactly why all the smart people b-line for J6 and some of the only actual LRM cover.

There's a big difference between being a good player goofing around or playing a 'fun' build and a mediocre player in a bad build or even very bad build who only puts up numbers because he's camping in the back in an Atlas and scavenging a couple kills off the half-dead enemies after they've butchered his team. Which is the bulk of LRM Atlases.

I've put 4xLRM5s on my (L) Atlas, 2x AC5s, a tag and 3 MLs and played at ~200-300m and done great. Play, have fun.

However is someone is playing like a **** or a scrub and their team feels they're being sandbagged they have a right to toss a little mockery out or tell them not to run the terribad build they're playing. As I've said elsewhere, I've seen someone consistently put up sub 500 scores in CW over 4 mechs. I can't imagine what they play like in pug queue. Their builds were so bad I thought they were trolling. Not an excuse for yelling at people or being rude but even in pug queue that's 11 other peoples PSR you're affecting. Have a bit of respect for them or at least yourself and not be over the top terribad.