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[Lord Perversor]

Appogee, on 16 February 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

Yeah, but then the matchmaker puts him on my team and I'm somehow supposed to carry not only him, but also three to six other people all bringing various version of Derp On Legs.

I can't level Mechs and carry at the same time.

Oh the humanity.

How you dare even attempt to lvl out mechs.. intentionally handycapping your team!!!

You are only allowed to run the ultimate meta mech with the ultimate meta build, and run it full with consumables and fully mastered. Or at least that's what some ppl are crying all players must do when they play MW:O

It's just a game if someone needs to assert some RL issues by just winning a digital game everytime, all the time it's their issue. After all there is very few things more amusing than some pro players bitching because they can't own a 4x Mg cicada with PPC in their Meta build.

Edited by Lord Perversor, 16 February 2016 - 12:24 PM.

[Deathlike]

Appogee, on 16 February 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

Yeah, but then the matchmaker puts him on my team and I'm somehow supposed to carry not only him, but also three to six other people all bringing various version of Derp On Legs.

I can't level Mechs and carry at the same time.

Oh the humanity.

You have to carry harder. That's just a part of PUG Life™.

All the players that deal sub-triple damage or the places the PUGs will go... this requires you (and others that wish to not derp) to carry.

Welcome to MWO.

Edited by Deathlike, 16 February 2016 - 12:27 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Appogee, on 16 February 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

Yeah, but then the matchmaker puts him on my team and I'm somehow supposed to carry not only him, but also three to six other people all bringing various version of Derp On Legs.

I can't level Mechs and carry at the same time.

Oh the humanity.

Just who the heck do you think you are too be leveling your non optimal mechs in my matches? Next you're going to tell me they don't have modules yet.

Your scrub tier unmastered mechs are forcing me to carry harder.

[DrxAbstract]

Sandpit, on 16 February 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

It's humorous but sad. I used to hear the same thing nonstop about my LL Stalker builds. The players that dropped with me knew they were good builds in my hands, those who just looked at the build deemed it "worthless" because it didn't fall into their narrow view and scope of what was "good".

OP, keep on keeping on, everyone telling the OP he's "wrong", get over yourselves

Your face is wrong.

[Sandpit]

DrxAbstract, on 16 February 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

Your face is wrong.

your post is wrong

[QuePan]

actually i dont think i would complain about that build you have there , though like others have said there have been some real bad lrm only atlas builds that just dont help there team and pull no damage to boot . those kind of builds that really don't benefit the team dont belong outside of private matches IMO .

im all for build it for what suits your style providing its effective in some form , your build looks effective to me .

[wanderer]

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So, keep tanking your W/L and stay in a low tier.

Gyrok's advice: Play, just be deliberately bad.

If OP is succeeding regularly, does this not mean his build is at the least decent? Surely when he gets to the point where it isn't, his W/L will tank and he'll end up going down tiers-

Oh wait, this is MWO and the tier system is basically an exp bar and does nothing to push bad players below T3 nor require effort to go T3+.

I hope the pros appreciate LRMs on their assaults. The T3 brigade is already marching into your games, and the current system basically means once they're there...they never go away.

[MischiefSC]

MrMadguy, on 16 February 2016 - 01:50 AM, said:

It doesn't change anything. Lack of players decreases quality of matches? Ok. I understand. But, I perform very poorly and still advance - that's, what is plain wrong. Lack of players isn't valid excuse for forcing all players into Tier 1. PSR - is just a proof, that casual players are punchbags in this game. PGI literally forces me to play Meta 'Mechs/Builds instead of playing, like I prefer to play. I know, that Highlanders are crappy, but I play them just because I like their visual appearance. I don't play Medium and Lights - just because they are all ugly. We lack players now, but with this system we won't bring new players into this game - we will drive away those, we have.

Oh won't get to tier 1 though. Lower tiers progress faster than higher tiers. I almost never play pug queue - really don't like it, I like CW. I hadn't played ant pug matches since January when they released PSR and I was dead center T3 when it started. I made it to T2 in about 5 days, but in T2 I probably have 200 matches and have only moved 25% and that's with about a 1.3 win/loss. Ask around, even playing top meta and rocking face you're going to spend a lot of time in T2. You may never leave it.

The point though is that by the time you've got a couple thousand matches you probably should not be fighting T5s and new players should be common for you.

There's a wide range of skill in T3 though. People can farm damage and actually be pretty bad at the game. A great way to pad your stats is stay in the back, use LRMs or ERLLs and gauss. Try to get a few hits in while your team gets butchered (which they will if the other team sticks together, plays moderately aggressive and shares armor) and then vulture the kills off the mechs your teammates died stripping down.

Then end with "gah, I can't carry all u guis!" when ironically it was forcing your team to play 11 v 12 while you cowered in the back that drove the teams defeat but your decent score.

There are several ways to score well but play badly. Those players tend to cap out in T3/T2 generally.

So you'll see a mix of good and bad players all in to T2 and still more than a few in T1.

That you're likely to progress to T2 if you're even mediocre though is correct. You should, T5s are for people who are happy to get 200 damage in an assault and hate all their teammates as potential kill stealers.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

MischiefSC, on 16 February 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

So you'll see a mix of good and bad players all in to T2 and still more than a few in T1.

Nonsense. Listen to your all knowing, clearly elite T1 and T2 know it alls.

We tell you how to build a mech, you listen without question or complaint!

Am I cool yet?

[Bishop Steiner]

Sandpit, on 16 February 2016 - 12:51 PM, said:

your post is wrong

Why are you looking at his post, you perv?

[Nauht]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 February 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

Why are you looking at his post, you perv?

You mean golf tee?

Annnnd....


.....the thread is officially dead. We headed into d*** jokes.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nauht, on 16 February 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

You mean golf tee?

Annnnd....


.....the thread is officially dead. We headed into d*** jokes.

Well, it probably was reasonably dead by the third page, in fairness

[Hydrocarbon]

The argument goes: "But I do great in my [insert s*** build]". Let's look at that closer.



Take a 2xLRM20 Catapult. On paper, the DPS is great. In reality it sucks. It is slow, easy to disarm, and has a min range. You do damage, but it's spread to every component on the enemy (aka no pinpoint damage, research why HEAT and APFSDS ammo is effective).

Take a 12x SPL Nova. "Alpha" all 12 twice and you'll cook your internals. Shoot them all in chain fire while face-tanking & not jump-jetting and your DMG & Kills will be horrile.

Lastly, make a quadriplegic use the most meta of metamechs. He can't even move/fire, let alone use it correctly, so his score will suck.




What am I getting at?

*Any mech can look great - if you look at the wrong stats. Getting 3 Most Dmg Dealt is great for 300 DMG, getting 3 for 1200 DMG is not.

*Any mech will do bad if you play it wrong.

*Adjusting the mech to suit playstyle is great, not adjusting playstyle for the mech is underhive material.

*If you're doing "great" at the cost of those around you, expect teammates to get angry. When you do well and your teammates say "I'm glad you were on our side", you're doing it right.




Good players find what mechs work for them.
GREAT players adjust playstyle to use a great mech/weapon effectively.
Great VETERANS adjust their mechs/loadouts/playstyle to effectivly have fun with the game AND community.

[DrxAbstract]

Nauht, on 16 February 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

You mean golf tee?

Annnnd....


.....the thread is officially dead. We headed into d*** jokes.

You're not in a position to discuss the size of my post, little one.

[MischiefSC]

The Atlas Overlord, on 16 February 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

Nonsense. Listen to your all knowing, clearly elite T1 and T2 know it alls.

We tell you how to build a mech, you listen without question or complaint!

Am I cool yet?

No. Hire a publicist.

Someone who is good at something isn't a "know it all". They are successful. The idea that someone who is successful isn't doing anything different or better than someone who isn't successful....

That's so goofy I don't know what to say.

Pants first. Then shoes. It's not a conspiracy or bullying by the Pants First illuminati. It's what works best.

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 17 February 2016 - 06:14 PM, said:

No. Hire a publicist.

Someone who is good at something isn't a "know it all". They are successful. The idea that someone who is successful isn't doing anything different or better than someone who isn't successful....

That's so goofy I don't know what to say.

Pants first. Then shoes. It's not a conspiracy or bullying by the Pants First illuminati. It's what works best.

No. Someone who is good at something is indeed not a know it all.

Someone who insists on pushing unsolicited advice on others though? Indeed are.

[MischiefSC]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

No. Someone who is good at something is indeed not a know it all.

Someone who insists on pushing unsolicited advice on others though? Indeed are.

I agree -

there's a difference though between unsolicited advice and having a teammate on your team who's doing badly or brought bad gear.

You're on a team every drop. If you're in quickplay and we drop on the same team, you're my teammate. You impact my stats, my performance. As such I have a vested interest in your results. That's not unsolicited advice that's me providing feedback to a teammate.

Now it should be polite and respectful and being a rude dbag is never appropriate. There is no difference though between 'Hey, guy in the Dire Wolf wandering off 4 clicks away alone you're going to get killed which leaves the team down an assault' and 'Hey, guy in the LBX5, LRM10, CERLL, 3xSSRM2 Mad Dog - that build is hugely inefficient and is leaving them team with a half-assed heavy'.

Bad choices affect the team. Your team will likely mention the consequences of your bad choices. If I drop in a 4 Flamer, 5xSSRM2 Stalker with an XL for trolls and giggles my team is likely to mock me over it. Doesn't mean I won't bring it if I'm in the mood for a giggle but I can't get upset at them for being upset at me for sandbagging a match.

[Zolaz]

You can run whatever mech you want in PUG queue. You can master mechs in the PUG queue. You can do both and increase your PSR. I also know that bad pilots make bad decisions. Make better decisions and get a better match score and better win/loss ratio.

In PUG queue most of your team is dead weight and a non factor. You can look at your teammates scores at the end of the match and see for yourself. That is why it falls on you to "Carry Harder" and pick up the slack of your horribad teammates if you want to win.

A wise man learns from his own mistakes and a sage learns for the mistakes of others. Reinvent the wheel if you want to, but we all use the wheel for a reason. I am sure you are super awesome and have the game all figured out. Glad you are filling up your PSR exp bar.

[Jeffrey Wilder]

I always play PUG with no expectation to win; If I win, it's a bonus.

That thought will always make you feel better.

Edited by Jeffrey Wilder, 17 February 2016 - 09:45 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 17 February 2016 - 08:05 PM, said:

I agree -

there's a difference though between unsolicited advice and having a teammate on your team who's doing badly or brought bad gear.

You're on a team every drop. If you're in quickplay and we drop on the same team, you're my teammate. You impact my stats, my performance. As such I have a vested interest in your results. That's not unsolicited advice that's me providing feedback to a teammate.

Now it should be polite and respectful and being a rude dbag is never appropriate. There is no difference though between 'Hey, guy in the Dire Wolf wandering off 4 clicks away alone you're going to get killed which leaves the team down an assault' and 'Hey, guy in the LBX5, LRM10, CERLL, 3xSSRM2 Mad Dog - that build is hugely inefficient and is leaving them team with a half-assed heavy'.

Bad choices affect the team. Your team will likely mention the consequences of your bad choices. If I drop in a 4 Flamer, 5xSSRM2 Stalker with an XL for trolls and giggles my team is likely to mock me over it. Doesn't mean I won't bring it if I'm in the mood for a giggle but I can't get upset at them for being upset at me for sandbagging a match.

Gonna say this once and only once:

You want to control what your teammates run? Play Group or CW. Quick Play is specifically meant for casual play. Enter at your own risk. Believe it or not, non tryhards make up 90% of the player base. We have a right to have a place to drop too, and that place is in quickplay.

But I don't have time or desire to form a group you say? Then sit down, shut up and enjoy the ride. Because you have exactly zero input on what anyone else wants to do in the casual queue. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Unless they are breaking CoC, have a coke and a smile and shut the heck up.