111 replies to this topic

[Alex Gorsky]

Imperius, on 26 February 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Though IS has enough mechs it's time to fill out clans more if you want more people to play clan for CW that is pretty confident you'd see a lot of Mad Kitties on the CW drop deck

It is not the reason why people don't play CW. Its awfully boring to mastered another mech... gameplay improvement, the new modes and new maps that is MWO really needed.

[Chados]

They'll announce the Mad Cat Mk II tonight. You watch. I'm not interested but I know a lot of others are.

Edited by Chados, 26 February 2016 - 09:16 AM.

[Metus regem]

If the angry kitty Mk. II comes, I hope it is everything that everyone that wants one, wants it to be. But when you get right down to it, it's a 90t mech with a 360 series engine, it's not going to twist as fast as a Timber Wolf, it is not going to be as agile as a Timber Wolf and it will not be as fast as a Timber Wolf. The main reasoning for this is, well the Timber Wolf is both 15t lighter and has a 375 series engine...

When we look at both the Timber Wolf Hit boxes and the Ebon Jaguar hit boxes, we can extrapolate what the Hit boxes for the Mk. II would look like, as the arms are more Ebon Jaguar like, with the torso being more Timber Wolf like:




Base on what I see with these images, I would imagen the arms will cover about 50-66% of the ST's on the Mk. II, still leaving it open to CT and ST hits from the side, once the arms are gone, I would suspect that it could be cored out fast from any direction due to the size of the CT hit box.

But like I said, I hope it is everything people want it to be, to the people that want one. Me? I'm just happy to play with my newseens for the first time in nearly 20-something years.



Edit:

For some reason it did not like the image I was going to use for the Ebon Jaguar's hit boxes...

Edited by Metus regem, 26 February 2016 - 10:30 AM.

[LastKhan]

Chados, on 26 February 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

They'll announce the Mad Cat Mk II tonight. You watch. I'm not interested but I know a lot of others are.

Neg according to twitter IS is next it seems.

[CK16]

So I didn't like my simple boxy arm...I added to it a bit....

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 26 February 2016 - 11:10 AM, said:

So I didn't like my simple boxy arm...I added to it a bit....

If I may ask a couple of questions, what is the vent on the top for, is it for the targeting optics of the weapon systems?

the second point I would suggest, is to add an ejection port for the lower ballistic mount some where around the elbow.

[Strum Wealh]

Nightshade24, on 25 February 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

...a symbol of how the clans changed and adapted to the new battlefields...

So, the irony of this statement is that the Mad Cat Mk.II is pretty much the opposite of that statement.

As noted in TRO 3067 (linked by CK16 here):

• "By basing their new design upon an existing BattleMech, the Diamond Shark engineers cut their development time sharply, putting the Mad Cat Mk.II into full-scale production in less than fifteen months."
  
• "Interestingly, the Clan's technicians chose to equip this BattleMech with weapons from its oldest Brian Caches."
  
• "While the Mad Cat Mk.II has now been in production for more than half a decade, very few Clans are actually fielding this conventional BattleMech. Clans Wolf and Jade Falcon, both obvious candidates for sales, have purchased none; neither has Clan Ice Hellion or even Clan Steel Viper (though all field a few won through various Trials). Only Clan Nova Cat fields any significant number."
  
• "Surprisingly, quite a few have turned up in servicewithin both the Draconis Combine and the former Federated Commonwealth statesparticularly uring the final battles on Prosperina".

The clans made many innovations between the initial invasion (3050) and the introduction of the Mad Cat Mk.II (3062):

• Clan Jade Falcon introduces Laser Heat Sinks. (3051)
  
• Clan Wolf introduce the Full-Head Ejection System. (3052)
  
• Clan Wolf unveils Light Target Acquisition Gear. (3054)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the Advanced Tactical Missile System (ATM) 3. (3054)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the ATM 6. (3054)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the ATM 9. (3054)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the ATM 12. (3055)
  
• Clan Steel Viper introduces the Coolant Pod. (3056)
  
• Clan Hell's Horses develop the Chemical Small Laser. (3057)
  
• Clan Hell's Horses develop the Chemical Medium Laser. (3057)
  
• Clan Hell's Horses develop the Chemical Large Laser. (3057)
  
• Clan Wolf introduces the ER Pulse Laser. (3057)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the Streak LRM-5. (3057)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the Streak LRM-10. (3057)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the Streak LRM-15. (3057)
  
• Clan Coyote introduces the Streak LRM-20. (3057)
  
• Clan Diamond Shark introduces the 'Mech HarJel System. (3059)
  
• Clan Star Adder introduces the Heavy Large Laser. (3059)
  
• Clan Star Adder introduces the Heavy Medium Laser. (3059)
  
• Clan Star Adder introduces the Heavy Small Laser. (3059)
  
• Clan Smoke Jaguar creates the Heavy Machine Gun. (3059)
  
• Clan Smoke Jaguar creates the Light Machine Gun. (3060)
  
• Clan Smoke Jaguar creates the ER Micro Laser. (3060)
  
• Clan Smoke Jaguar creates the Micro Pulse Laser. (3060)
  
• Clan Hell's Horses introduce the Artemis V Fire-Control System. (3061)
  
• Clan Diamond Shark introduce Armored Components system. (3061)
  
• Clan Jade Falcon produce Laser Reflective Armor. (3061)
  
• Several different 'Mech chassis were introduced by the Clans between 3050 and 3062.

Note, that the primary variant of the Mad Cat Mk.II makes use of exactly none of those innovations, instead focusing on export sales to the would-be hostile forces (that is, from the Clans (CDS) to the IS) by aping an existing popular chassis' design (the original Mad Cat) and outfitting it with outmoded weapon and systems.
As such, it is NOT "a symbol of how the Clans changed and adapted to the new battlefields".

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 26 February 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

If I may ask a couple of questions, what is the vent on the top for, is it for the targeting optics of the weapon systems?

the second point I would suggest, is to add an ejection port for the lower ballistic mount some where around the elbow.

- I was going for it to be another vent port, I was 50/50 for that or in the TRO artwork is it an optical laying drive kinda deal.
- GREAT idea I will add that when I get a chance!

I am just playing around with it right now. I passed it along to Alex as well on Twitter...The idea is maybe if they can do it for the Madcat Mk.II maybe more mechs that have such designs can get them as well.

[Strum Wealh]

Metus regem, on 26 February 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

If I may ask a couple of questions, what is the vent on the top for, is it for the targeting optics of the weapon systems?

the second point I would suggest, is to add an ejection port for the lower ballistic mount some where around the elbow.

If we refer to the canonical artwork:



The "lower barrel" is the actual Gauss Rifle barrel, the "upper barrel" is a venting port added by the CDS engineers, and the targeting optics are actually on the top-side of the arm (the small square bit near the back of the main hexagonal structure, just forward of the arm cowling & the front of the missile launcher).

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 26 February 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

- I was going for it to be another vent port, I was 50/50 for that or in the TRO artwork is it an optical laying drive kinda deal.
- GREAT idea I will add that when I get a chance!

I am just playing around with it right now. I passed it along to Alex as well on Twitter...The idea is maybe if they can do it for the Madcat Mk.II maybe more mechs that have such designs can get them as well.

For a vent port, i would either have it top mounted with a rear angled system, this would allow it help fight recoil as an other ballistic weapon aside from Gauss would have recoil, failing that I would have it on the upper side, against expelling out to the side and back for two reasons, the one I stated above, as well and to help prevent view point obstruction.

I tend to look at mech as less tank like, and more Gunship like, as such having obstructions (more than required) in a cockpit is just asking for trouble. It's why I love the cockpit from the YF-19 Excalibur from Macross plus so much...



This view was sometimes a pain in the *** for me, as I flew second seat, but at other times it was good.

[SplashDown]

Khobai, on 25 February 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

actually no one was talking about the madcat MK2 till imperius started this whole sh*tstorm.

Isnt that how 90% of events unfold in this game...some-1 starts a post and players jump on the ban-wagon?
If pgi thinks they will make money on it be asured it will eventualy be in game

P.S i want the MKii =)

Edited by SplashDown, 26 February 2016 - 12:05 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

Metus regem, on 26 February 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

For a vent port, i would either have it top mounted with a rear angled system, this would allow it help fight recoil as an other ballistic weapon aside from Gauss would have recoil, failing that I would have it on the upper side, against expelling out to the side and back for two reasons, the one I stated above, as well and to help prevent view point obstruction.

I tend to look at mech as less tank like, and more Gunship like, as such having obstructions (more than required) in a cockpit is just asking for trouble. It's why I love the cockpit from the YF-19 Excalibur from Macross plus so much...



This view was sometimes a pain in the *** for me, as I flew second seat, but at other times it was good.

To be fair, the TRO describes it as a vent port.

Even then, there is no real reason for a Gauss Rifle to need such a vent port:

• As a coilgun, the Gauss Rifle has no propellant gases that would require venting in the first place (which also makes muzzle breaks and gas-vent systems (in the style of the "recoilless rifles" - which are neither truly recoilless, nor often true rifles) of little use with regard to recoil compensation).
  
• As a very-low-heat weapon (one "point" of heat per firing), there would be little or no need for an additional venting system for the Gauss Rifle as compared to, say, an ER Medium Laser (five "points" of heat per firing).

[Metus regem]

Strum Wealh, on 26 February 2016 - 12:22 PM, said:

To be fair, the TRO describes it as a vent port.

Even then, there is no real reason for a Gauss Rifle to need such a vent port:

• As a coilgun, the Gauss Rifle has no propellant gases that would require venting in the first place (which also makes muzzle breaks and gas-vent systems (in the style of the "recoilless rifles" - which are neither truly recoilless, nor often true rifles) of little use with regard to recoil compensation).
  
• As a very-low-heat weapon (one "point" of heat per firing), there would be little or no need for an additional venting system for the Gauss Rifle as compared to, say, an ER Medium Laser (five "points" of heat per firing).

That's why I said:

Metus regem, on 26 February 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

For a vent port, i would either have it top mounted with a rear angled system, this would allow it help fight recoil as any* other ballistic weapon aside from Gauss would have recoil, failing that I would have it on the upper side, against expelling out to the side and back for two reasons, the one I stated above, as well and to help prevent view point obstruction.

I see where I made an error, I put "an" rather than "any".

As for a Gauss needing any kind of venting, you're right, it shouldn't. That's why I asked him if it was for the targeting optics for the weapon.

[Strum Wealh]

Metus regem, on 26 February 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

That's why I said:




I see where I made an error, I put "an" rather than "any".

As for a Gauss needing any kind of venting, you're right, it shouldn't. That's why I asked him if it was for the targeting optics for the weapon.

However, both coilguns (that is, Gauss guns) and railguns do, in fact, produce recoil when firing, which is transmitted through the same magnetic fields that drive the projectiles; see here (for coilguns) and here (for railguns).

[Metus regem]

Strum Wealh, on 26 February 2016 - 12:57 PM, said:

However, both coilguns (that is, Gauss guns) and railguns do, in fact, produce recoil when firing, which is transmitted through the same magnetic fields that drive the projectiles; see here (for coilguns) and here (for railguns).

yes, but not to the same degree as up to an 8" gun, the largest recorded size of a class 20 clan UAC (203mm), found in the Ebon Jaguar Alpha variant.

[CK16]

Alright REV 2.0! Sneak peek!

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Alex Gorsky, on 26 February 2016 - 09:10 AM, said:

It is not the reason why people don't play CW. Its awfully boring to mastered another mech... gameplay improvement, the new modes and new maps that is MWO really needed.

The reason people don't play CW is simple.

The maps suck. The game modes suck, and the lack of a player base within it suck.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 26 February 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

Alright REV 2.0! Sneak peek!

Much, much better.

I still feel like something is missing from the housing, but I can't put my finger on it...

Edited by Metus regem, 26 February 2016 - 02:13 PM.

[CK16]

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Metus regem, on 26 February 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

If the angry kitty Mk. II comes, I hope it is everything that everyone that wants one, wants it to be. But when you get right down to it, it's a 90t mech with a 360 series engine, it's not going to twist as fast as a Timber Wolf, it is not going to be as agile as a Timber Wolf and it will not be as fast as a Timber Wolf. The main reasoning for this is, well the Timber Wolf is both 15t lighter and has a 375 series engine...

But that argument is moot because its a Clan Battlemech, not an omni. You can put a CXL400 in it with the way MW:O works and engine ratings.

Also, no one expects it to go as fast or be as nimble as a Timberwolf anyway. The MadcatMk_II's strength relies in that its literally a larger, heavier gunned Timberwolf that is supposed to actually have Jump Jets.

Granted, Jump Jets in this game are f*****d and anything over 90tons cannot actually jump regardless of number of jets, so I digress.


The real reason people want to play it though, is because its a iconic 'mech that just looks sexy (myself included).