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[Gas Guzzler]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 01:08 AM, said:

Turkina is just a worse Dire Wolf, its 95 tons so i suppose that is a bit different for CW drop deck tonnages, but its not really relevant because an agility rating of 3.0 is WAY too low since the skill tree nerf, and gunbag clan assaults aren't going to get agility quirks.

Yes, were we to get a Clan Omni-Assault, the choice would be obvious

[Widowmaker1981]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 March 2016 - 07:02 AM, said:

Yes, were we to get a Clan Omni-Assault, the choice would be obvious

Blood Asp?

I kid, i kid. I know you are talking about the Kingfisher.. and i do agree it adds more than the Turkey.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 09 March 2016 - 07:12 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Blood Asp?

I kid, i kid. I know you are talking about the Kingfisher.. and i do agree it adds more than the Turkey.

Lol. I don't even know why I want it anymore. Other than the hope that it gets ECM and some quirks to make up for its shortcomings. I just feel like I would get more use out of it than the Dire Turkey. And the potential for some eye level cLPLs makes that even better (art on sarna CLEARLY shows a laser right next to the head).

Blood Asp is a badass mech, but like Russ my OCDness wants to address some of the more current mechs first. If Goose Rifles didn't blow up I would be even more excited about this guy.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 09 March 2016 - 07:30 AM.

[Imperius]

Odanan, on 08 March 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

For an OmniMech pack:

- Fire Moth (most voted light omni in the polls)
- Viper or Black Lanner (the 2 most voted mediums in the polls)
- Night Gyr (undisputed best remaining heavy omnimech for the 50s, also most voted heavy omni in the polls)
- Kingfisher or Turkina (the 2 most voted assault mechs in the polls)

For a Battlemech pack:

- Piranha (maybe too powerful? no, seriously)
- Conjurer/Hellhound (either as the proper Wolverine IIC or as the gorgeous re-imagined MW4 chicken walker)
- Black Python (very powerful mech - will need a lot of Alex Iglesias black magic to look good)
- Bane/Kraken (this thing is a monster!)

For a "Classic" IIC pack:

- Locust IIC
- Griffin IIC
- Rifleman IIC
- Marauder IIC

My question is any of you saying it should be these. Are you going to buy these packs? Because that is what is important.

Edited by Imperius, 09 March 2016 - 07:30 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Imperius, on 09 March 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

My question is any of you saying it should be these. Are you going to buy these packs? Because that is what is important.

I want the omni pack first but I would likely buy all of them as long as they aren't all released at once lol. Would also get the Mad Cat Mk. II single pack though.

Out of those 3 the IIC pack I would be least excited about. Besides isn't the Rifleman IIC an assault? Would we really get 2 assault?

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 09 March 2016 - 07:34 AM.

[Imperius]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 March 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Lol. I don't even know why I want it anymore. Other than the hope that it gets ECM and some quirks to make up for its shortcomings. I just feel like I would get more use out of it than the Dire Turkey. And the potential for some eye level cLPLs makes that even better (art on sarna CLEARLY shows a laser right next to the head).

Blood Asp is a badass mech, but like Russ my OCDness wants to address some of the more current mechs first. If Goose Rifles didn't blow up I would be even more excited about this guy.

Because If we pull a mech from the future we surely never can visit the past again.... Let's bring in a bunch of DOA mechs in need of quirks because OCD. Not good mechs that would sell well, great way to handle it imo *sarcasm*

Gas Guzzler, on 09 March 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

I want the omni pack first but I would likely buy all of them as long as they aren't all released at once lol. Would also get the Mad Cat Mk. II single pack though.

Well I'm just looking for accountability. I think it's pointless for PGI to bring mechs in to users who think they should be added but don't actually care if they are. Like I said, I'm asking for mechs I want because I'm going to buy it. If others here are not going to buy what they are asking for then I think they should step aside. OCD or not... Money is what keeps the lights on not some timeline.

[Gas Guzzler]

Imperius, on 09 March 2016 - 07:35 AM, said:

Because If we pull a mech from the future we surely never can visit the past again.... Let's bring in a bunch of DOA mechs in need of quirks because OCD. Not good mechs that would sell well, great way to handle it imo *sarcasm*

Nobody actually knows if they will be DOA or not.


And yeah I would for sure buy the pack I am campaigning for (Fire Moth, Viper, Night Gyr, Kingfisher). I'm also a fan of the Mad Cat Mk II (more than the Blood Asp tbh) but it is sounding like that is going to come after the 4 pack.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 09 March 2016 - 07:41 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 March 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Lol. I don't even know why I want it anymore. Other than the hope that it gets ECM and some quirks to make up for its shortcomings. I just feel like I would get more use out of it than the Dire Turkey. And the potential for some eye level cLPLs makes that even better (art on sarna CLEARLY shows a laser right next to the head).

Blood Asp is a badass mech, but like Russ my OCDness wants to address some of the more current mechs first. If Goose Rifles didn't blow up I would be even more excited about this guy.

Yeah, im not Imperius. When russ said in the town hall that he wants to add the mechs with main production starting before 3053 first, i understood what he meant lol.

Yeah, I think i would probably end up running the ASP with either 3xUAC10 or 4xUAC5 mounted up on the roof as opposed to Goose Waffles.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

Yeah, I think i would probably end up running the ASP with either 3xUAC10 or 4xUAC5 mounted up on the roof as opposed to Goose Waffles.

Naw, you would run one goose in the side, and one in the arm on the same side, just like some did with the Dire (even though Prime arms were best arms).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 09 March 2016 - 07:40 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 March 2016 - 07:40 AM, said:

Naw, you would run one goose in the side, and one in the arm on the same side, just like some did with the Dire (even though Prime arms were best arms).

And give up the high mounts? Hell no, id rather keep both Goose in the torsos thank you very much.

TBQFH the explosion issue is a bit overstated. If im on internals on my ST im in trouble anyway. GRs blow up for 20 dmg, thats like 2/3 of an small alpha, it really doesnt speed death up by much.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 09 March 2016 - 07:43 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 March 2016 - 07:40 AM, said:

Naw, you would run one goose in the side, and one in the arm on the same side, just like some did with the Dire (even though Prime arms were best arms).

The Asp has ballistic arms?

*interest spiked*

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 07:41 AM, said:

And give up the high mounts? Hell no, id rather keep both Goose in the torsos thank you very much.

I probably wouldn't run that in a comp match. Too sketchy for me.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 07:41 AM, said:

And give up the high mounts? Hell no, id rather keep both Goose in the torsos thank you very much.

That's because you like losing sides and giving the enemy a bigger target on when you crest . That said, if that is the case, sadly the Mark II may be the best dual goose platform that isn't the Whale.

Gas Guzzler, on 09 March 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

The Asp has ballistic arms?

*interest spiked*

If I remember right, yes.

[Widowmaker1981]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 March 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

I probably wouldn't run that in a comp match. Too sketchy for me.

I don't really play comp tbh... I can't be reliably there often enough, because Family/GF don't understand or give a crap about PC game obligations lol

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 March 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

That's because you like losing sides and giving the enemy a bigger target on when you crest . That said, if that is the case, sadly the Mark II may be the best dual goose platform that isn't the Whale.

Bigger target? If you have one in the arm you would be exposing 70% of the mech to fire, as opposed to 15% or so with both in the STs..

[Imperius]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

Yeah, im not Imperius. When russ said in the town hall that he wants to add the mechs with main production starting before 3053 first, i understood what he meant lol.

Yeah, I think i would probably end up running the ASP with either 3xUAC10 or 4xUAC5 mounted up on the roof as opposed to Goose Waffles.

Russ, said with his OCD, he likes to go in order, but was also very indecisive in saying what the next pack will actually be. He rattled off all the choices and said he just doesn't know.

[Metus regem]

Imperius, on 09 March 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

My question is any of you saying it should be these. Are you going to buy these packs? Because that is what is important.

Omni's

Fire Felcon: maybe, depends on rest of package
Coyotl; Hell ******* yes!
Night Gry; maybe, depends on rest of package
Nova Cat; maybe, depends on rest of package
Kingfisher; likely a pass, I don't really like low mobility mechs
Dire Turkey; likely a pass, I don't really like low mobility mechs

Clan Battlemechs:

Piranha; hell ******* yes!
Shadow Hawk IIC; maybe, depends on the rest of the package
Riflemen IIC; maybe, depends on the rest of the package
Warhammer IIC; hell ******* yes!

I'm the kind of buyer that looks at the costs, if the cost for the top end package is close to the cost of 50-75% of the mechs bought al a cart, then I'll just buy the whole package.

Gas Guzzler, on 09 March 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

Besides isn't the Rifleman IIC an assault?

Riflemen IIC: 65t clan heavy

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rifleman_IIC


The Marauder and Warhammer get bumped up to Assault class, 85t and 80t respectively.

[Lucian Nostra]

Imperius, on 09 March 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

My question is any of you saying it should be these. Are you going to buy these packs? Because that is what is important.

Yeah in your quoted example I'd buy Odanans omnimech pack I'd prefer the Viper and the Turkina over the Black Lanner and the Kingfisher though.

His Battlemech example isn't as good to me but since I do like the Black Python and the Kraken I think it'd be cheaper to buy the pack vs ala cart. Rather see the incubus and the Vapor Eagle than the Piranha and Conjurer (though Conjurer is a nice mech)

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 07:41 AM, said:

TBQFH the explosion issue is a bit overstated. If im on internals on my ST im in trouble anyway. GRs blow up for 20 dmg, thats like 2/3 of an small alpha, it really doesnt speed death up by much.

It does speed up death by that much when you are somewhat of a squishy target, not to mention you just lost a decent amount of firepower, which is why the Dire Wolf with prime arms was so great, because you weren't extra squishy and rarely lost firepower

Widowmaker1981, on 09 March 2016 - 07:47 AM, said:

Bigger target? If you have one in the arm you would be exposing 70% of the mech to fire, as opposed to 15% or so with both in the STs..

If you are just using Gauss Rifles on it, why would you bother with the Blood Asp in the first place? It isn't like it has high mounted energy with those Gauss Rifles. All energy mounts will probably be lower than the cockpit which means to bring your full armament to bear, you are going to have to expose most of your mech anyway.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 09 March 2016 - 08:08 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Lucian Nostra, on 09 March 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

Yeah in your quoted example I'd buy Odanans omnimech pack I'd prefer the Viper and the Turkina over the Black Lanner and the Kingfisher though.

May I ask why the Turkey over the Kingfisher? It doesn't have great hardpoint layout (as in hardpoint positions on the mech), and its as lethargic as a Dire Wolf with less armor and less weapons. Wouldn't you rather have something a little more mobile with a few high mounted hardpoint and potentially ECM (Russ stated that swapping the HAG30 on the F variant for a Gauss rifle is possible)? I don't know, I think I would use the Kingfisher more often than a Dire Wolf, let alone the Turkina which is similar, just a little bit worse.

Granted, I would rather have both to give CJF another one of their mechs, but I'm not sure if that is an option.

[Imperius]

Lucian Nostra, on 09 March 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

Yeah in your quoted example I'd buy Odanans omnimech pack I'd prefer the Viper and the Turkina over the Black Lanner and the Kingfisher though.

His Battlemech example isn't as good to me but since I do like the Black Python and the Kraken I think it'd be cheaper to buy the pack vs ala cart. Rather see the incubus and the Vapor Eagle than the Piranha and Conjurer (though Conjurer is a nice mech)

I just used that as an example, I just want people to buy what they are asking for.

[Metus regem]

Imperius, on 09 March 2016 - 08:14 AM, said:

I just used that as an example, I just want people to buy what they are asking for.

Well since the only one I am well and truly asking for is the Coyotl, yes I will put my money where my mouth is, just as I did for the Warhammer and the Phoenix Hawk, I bought both top end packs for those.