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[stealthraccoon]

Saber Avalon, on 02 March 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

PGI has been greedy as of late and keep pushing to squeeze every last cent out of us. Funny, cause they're Canadian and we no longer have pennys.

I agree they are going to be fingering our wallets until the Unseens are exhausted - they knew they couldn't sell the Wasp for this price, and the PXH is borderline compared to the heavies they have been pedaling as of late. This will be my purchase for the year, unless we see an Urbie IIC or a package of 'bug' mechs - both of which I am ready to put on my expensive lipstick, because I'm sure I'm going to have to pucker up.

Edited by stealthraccoon, 02 March 2016 - 08:09 PM.

[ShadowFighter88]

Spheroid, on 02 March 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

Pass. Woefully inadequate number of energy hardpoints.

*rechecks the PXH-1K's hardpoints*

Umm... Just how many energy hardpoints do you need?

[Realizer]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 March 2016 - 07:48 PM, said:

Wrong way to interpret it.

We are the flock of sheep. The Vindicator was a wolf to our in-game performance and wallets, savaging them both.

Ergo, since the PXH looks to be very similar in potential to the VND, it is also a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Whatever floats your boat, but the metaphor breaks down as, wolf (strong) in sheep's clothing (weak). So basically you are saying the Vindicator is strong. Which it isn't, so it can't be the wolf in that scenario. I understand what you tried to say, which is that the Phoenix Hawk looks good but probably won't be. So therefore it's a sheep in wolf's clothing, if it isn't strong in game.

Either way it goes, for me no mech is strong enough to warrant paying $85 for one chassis.

Edited by Realizer, 02 March 2016 - 08:20 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Realizer, on 02 March 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Whatever floats your boat, but the metaphor breaks down as, wolf (strong) in sheep's clothing (weak). So basically you are saying the Vindicator is strong. Which it isn't, so it can't be the wolf in that scenario. I understand what you tried to say, which is that the Phoenix Hawk looks good but probably won't be. So therefore it's a sheep in wolf's clothing, if it isn't strong in game.

Either way it goes, for me no mech is strong enough to warrant paying $85 for one chassis.

Your interpretation isn't invalid except that it doesn't jive with my intent and my perspective, which is also quite valid. The fun part about language is that it's not black and white, as you are trying to make it out. Perspective is a very important part, as is intent. Since I clarified it, and it makes sense from the perspective of "this thing is a bad prospect masquerading as a good one," your take on my statement becomes null.

Admit it, you called Obi Wan a liar!

[SQW]

Considering how much you can customize a mech in MWO, it's surprising to hear so many people with dozens of mechs in their stable still paying top dollars for the phoenix hawk.

What can it do that a Cicada can't anyway?

Given how thin the actual game modes are and the severe lack of map choices, I'd rather the PGI 3D artists work on maps than mech packs.

[Bluttrunken]

Hiding the superior ECM variant AND the Masc variant behind an additional paywall makes me very, very hesitant to invest into the Phoenix Hawk. If I want a hero and those variants I'm looking at, at least, 50$ for a single mech and more variants than I care for(why should I ever want 6 variants of any singular mech?).

Bad play from PGI. I already opted out of the IIC mechs because they hid excellent variants behind the Early Adopter screen(even though I could have bought them before the deadline).

I was 100% sure I'll get the Phoenix Hawk. I'm not so sure anymore now.

Edited by Bluttrunken, 02 March 2016 - 09:17 PM.

[Realizer]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 March 2016 - 08:52 PM, said:

Your interpretation isn't invalid except that it doesn't jive with my intent and my perspective, which is also quite valid. The fun part about language is that it's not black and white, as you are trying to make it out. Perspective is a very important part, as is intent. Since I clarified it, and it makes sense from the perspective of "this thing is a bad prospect masquerading as a good one," your take on my statement becomes null.

Admit it, you called Obi Wan a liar!

k

Edited by Realizer, 02 March 2016 - 09:24 PM.

[Bluttrunken]

ASaltyScrublord, on 02 March 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

Quirks will determine which of the ECM PXH's is superior. Based on the hardpoints the PXH-1B will likely get some quirks while the PXH-2 will probably getting very little. On hardpoints alone the PXH-2 is not necessarily superior either. The PXH-2 will have more options for running ML/MPL builds but for LL/LPL ones the PXH-1B will likely be superior. Having the RT/RA combo is better for poking builds than having to rely on arm mounts only due to the risk of being disarmed. Combined with the fact it will almost certainly get better quirks, I'd say the PXH-1B is probably going to be the better ecm variant.

As for hiding the best IIC variants, that is not true at all. Apart from the jenner, the best variants were all in the standard packs. In regards to the jenner IIC it can be argued that the IIC-A is the strongest variant of the jenners, however, it does nothing that the already available arctic cheater couldn't already do. It's actually the standard JR7-IIC which offers something unique with its 6 missile hardpoints and thus was the best mech to get in the jenner pack. Therefore I completely disagree about the additional paywall claim. If you were after performance then the $20 pack gave you basically everything you needed and the same can be said about the PXHs.

Arguing with quirks we don't know yet is a bad case. Anyhow: The Jenner IIC-A turned out to be at least the second best variant. I can only say this in hindsight, though, same with the other mechs in the Origin package. I was pretty annoyed back then, even if it turned out to be otherwise in some cases.

It's just bad business practices from PGI if they hide excellent variants behind an additional paywall and we shouldn't support that. If it would have been either the second ECM variant *or* the Masc variant I would have been absolutely ok with it, they need an incentive, but hiding *both* behind an additional investement is just bad style. If you invest in the full package it's 85$. 5$ more than a full Resistance package which gives you 4 different mechs from 4 different weight classes to play with. I'm aware you don't *need* to invest into the full package but in comparison the Unseen packages turn out to become worse and worser deals at a horrifying rate. If we don't stop support that PGI will just go on like that, exploiting the Nostalgia of many people to fill their pockets.

Edited by Bluttrunken, 02 March 2016 - 09:54 PM.

[Otto Cannon]

Not impressed by any of the hero versions (although I do like the paintjobs), and I can get the others for C-Bills so why spend real money?

I'm glad the PH enthusiasts got their mech but I'll leave this one to them.

[Azalie]

I'm more of an assault/heavy pilot but I'm half tempted to buy the basic pack just for the rewards and early bird bonuses. Been meaning to get the medium laser modules and could always use another set of seismic and radar dep.

[Kinski Orlawisch]

85 Dollar for this medium? 7 Mechs to master wich are mostly the same thing?

At the moment I m a bit unhappy with this greed.

[xengk]

Grabbed the standard, will probably add-on the 2 hero at the end of the month.

[Slambot]

Seems a bit pricey for 45 ton mechs...

I will probably just get a basic pack and the reinforcements... the heroes will probably have to wait for MC. Will be cheaper then...

[BSK]

Alexander Garden, on 25 February 2016 - 11:24 AM, said:

Polygon Pattern Unlocked for Standard, Special, and Hero Phoenix Hawk variants

In the FAQ it says Polygon Pattern for early adopters, while on the store page it says

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Crusader Camo unlocked for Phoenix Hawk

[Vashramire]

$20 for standard pack. Equal price to a BJ Mastery pack of same weight. Mastery gets you a +$30% mech and a champion in lieu of 3 cockpit items a badge and title. That's up to you if you find that to be an even trade but I don't. $15 for 2 more. At an average cost for 45t medium IS mechs it's 1,382MC or $7.68USD per mech. $38.42USD for 5 mechs without mechbays. Standard + Reinforcement is $35USD (5 mechs, mechbays~$8.34, 30 days premium=$12, 3 cockpit items=?, a badge and title=?). 45t heros go for $14 a pop plus mechbay at about $1.67USD which is more than the $15 asking price.

For standard + reinforcement + 2 heroes it doesn't seem like it but it's actually a deal. That's not to say the prices for everything aren't already ridiculous but compared to things that are already in the game (not including sales/discounts) it isn't priced unfair. Compared to the savings you get from a Kodiak pack, it seems like you are getting kicked in the **** especially since we don't even know how they'll perform.

Overall it's a deal, just not a great one.

[Michal R]

Another good looking, bad mech... nope nope nope.
Weapon in arms = ****.
Value of this mech Is very poor.

Yea great looking, but this is not all.

[Soultraxx]

Can never have too many robots - $85 pack for me

BSK, on 02 March 2016 - 10:57 PM, said:

In the FAQ it says Polygon Pattern for early adopters, while on the store page it says

They'd better give us both then :-)

[kesmai]

Humanoid. Low to medium height hardpoints. 45 tons. Pass. Will buy 3 with cbills to complete the collection.

Edited by kesmai, 02 March 2016 - 11:46 PM.

[Appogee]

Alistair Winter, on 02 March 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

I could probably go on, but I've got things to do. I'm looking forward to see any kind of rational explanation for the increase in prices.

The pricing is not rational (assuming any pricing ever is).

I just tweeted Russ to let him know that, even though I have spent more than $1K on MWO and want the game to succeed, the blatant gouging of the loyal customer base on Phoenix Hawk pack pricing has put me off buying even the poverty pack, with its 3 deliberately-most-boring versions.

[Cyrilis]

unfortunately, the hero variants do not pay out as 3000 MC cost 14.95$ already (and I expect the hero variants of the phoenix Hawk to come out between 3375 and 3500 MC)
Not the best deal to my opinion. The cost weight ration is just too high. 15$ was good on the 60, 70 and 75 ton heros, but not on a 45 tonner.

I would get both for 15$, but one... no. Faaar cheaper to wait for them to be on sale some time in the far future.

Unless they add some majer league goodies to the hero packages...

Edited by Cyrilis, 03 March 2016 - 01:48 AM.