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[Scout Derek]

Monkey Lover, on 14 March 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

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@russ_bullock are the archer quirks being revised? If so, will we see the revision before the patch?


"russ_bullock

@XplicitContent0 no plans to revise - it will be evaluated once it's live for a few days


12:15 PM - 14 Mar 2016 "

The question now is not why, but how.

If you're wondering, look to the OP post.

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Sader325, on 14 March 2016 - 11:53 AM, said:

bwhwhahahahahah

I knew it.

.-.

[Malleus011]

Disappointing.

[ExplicitContent]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 March 2016 - 11:35 AM, said:

Right hand and left hand need to start communicating in this company.

At least we know now that we can stop looking for an update. Mock ups await. What flavor of missiles is everyone planning. Really hoping that this can be a viable SRM brawler. LRMs aren't my cup o' tea, but I'll use them if I have to.

[IronEricP]

Malleus011, on 14 March 2016 - 11:31 AM, said:

I'm assumed the ARC-2R would get 4M, 4E, but apparently they really wanted to keep it to 7 hard points.

Asymmetrical hard points make me twitch a little.

Yeah, with those big doors and no difference between its internals, really no need to have a lopsided payload here. I'd rather have just one energy slot in each arm and a 4th torso missile. 6E and 3M makes it seem to work against its own type too...

[Thunderbird Anthares]

2 main options here:

1) we were lied to

2) PGI is incapable internal communication

take your pick, one better than the other

@PGI: come on guys, we know people make mistakes - if you come clean you might get a snide comment or a hundred, but it wont make people nearly as dissapointed

[Bishop Steiner]

Malleus011, on 14 March 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Disappointing.

Mediocre.

Would be too generous.

Malleus011, on 14 March 2016 - 11:31 AM, said:

I'm assumed the ARC-2R would get 4M, 4E, but apparently they really wanted to keep it to 7 hard points.

Asymmetrical hard points make me twitch a little.

and make no dang sense since others have more... Heck the Tempest has 8 AND it has ECM.

[Sader325]

Thunderbird Anthares, on 14 March 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

2 main options here:

1) we were lied to

2) PGI is incapable internal communication

take your pick, one better than the other

@PGI: come on guys, we know people make mistakes - if you come clean you might get a snide comment or a hundred, but it wont make people nearly as dissapointed

Why choose one? Both sounds good.

[Bishop Steiner]

Sader325, on 14 March 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

Why choose one? Both sounds good.

Well, while I was not making a big stink about the quirks themselves, I must say I kind of feel that having one of the Lead Devs mislead the player base on a live PGI sanctioned podcast is indeed stink worthy.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 March 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

Well, while I was not making a big stink about the quirks themselves, I must say I kind of feel that having one of the Lead Devs mislead the player base on a live PGI sanctioned podcast is indeed stink worthy.

That was their position at the time..


Seriously, its entirely possible that they intended to take another look, and once they did decided that rather then potentially making a big quirk buff wasn't what they wanted to do until seeing how it performed. Sounds reasonable to me, I am little disappointed but its not like people flocked to buy the pack because Paul said they were going to revise the quirks. If they did... well that is their fault.

[wanderer]

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You lore addicts are part of the reason why Mechwarrior is a dying franchise.

If MWO was a drug made from lore, it would be so adulterated that an addict would die from ODing when presented with the real thing.

[RestosIII]

Monkey Lover, on 14 March 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

--- ‏@XplicitContent0 23m23 minutes ago

@russ_bullock are the archer quirks being revised? If so, will we see the revision before the patch?


"russ_bullock

@XplicitContent0 no plans to revise - it will be evaluated once it's live for a few days


12:15 PM - 14 Mar 2016 "

I really need to stop getting my hopes up when PGI promises something. It's making me jaded.

[cazidin]

#MediocreQuirks

[Grimlox]

I'm not sure I understand what makes the Archer better than the WHM or MAD that it needs to have half the structure quirks AND less weapon/movement quirks. Maybe the Tempest with its ECM I can sort of see but the others?

Only thing the Archer appears to have going for it are the missile bay doors and more missile hardpoints than the WHM or MAD. And we all know how OP missile hardpoints are....

[LegendaryArticuno]

Too much ego in play SMH... Archer is going to be a worthless mech

[wanderer]

Clearly, PGI fears some kind of SRMgeddon and is quirking it appropriately, almost as if LRM-specific quirks are too dangerous to comprehend.

Except on the -2R. Which is a missile boat for reasons one cannot divine is fed huge numbers of energy hardpoints and sub-par LRM-specific quirks, because heaven help us if a third-rate weapon system actually was attractive for any reason.

[LegendaryArticuno]

Well technically by design Archer can do nothing but boat LRMs.

It has no toughness quirks, so it can't brawl or be part of a firing line. Its hard points dont allow for sniping, so really all it can do is stay in cover and lob LRMs.

[Roadkill]

I understand their unwillingness to focus quirks on LRMs. LRMs are a hot button and they've failed while tweaking them more than once.

That said, LRM-20 and LRM-15 specific spread quirks for the appropriate Mechs would have been relatively safe. The LRM-20 is pretty sucky, and even a 30% reduction in spread wouldn't have been OP. Not with that 10-ton weight and 5.5 second cooldown.

10% speed is laughable, especially since the Warhammer's PPCs got 30-50%. Put another way, LRM +25% speed would still mean they were half as fast as an SRM.

[Brewmen]

Not going to revise? dam I decided to buy after hearing they would revise the quirks, I didn't like the initial quirks and was going to wait. maybe I can return it for now until they revise.

Is that official they will not revise for now?

Thanks

[ExplicitContent]

Brewmen, on 14 March 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

Not going to revise? dam I decided to buy after hearing they would revise the quirks, I didn't like the initial quirks and was going to wait. maybe I can return it for now until they revise.

Is that official they will not revise for now?

Thanks

It's as official as you can take from a tweet from Russ.

[Xylek]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 March 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Mediocre.

Would be too generous.


and make no dang sense since others have more... Heck the Tempest has 8 AND it has ECM.

Tempest has 3 of those hardpoints in the CT according to the store page, limiting it to 7 used at most.

Edited by Xylek, 14 March 2016 - 04:11 PM.