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[MischiefSC]

William Mountbank, on 16 March 2016 - 12:18 AM, said:

I'm sorry, but isn't the real issue here that we should have Tetatae pilot models?

As I stated earlier.

There is no need for a human female model if the glorious Tetatae are not appropriately represented. I want fully customizable plumage too.

Back on the other points;

It's worth pointing out that in the lore weapons were incredibly inaccurate. As in you had less than 50/50 odds of hitting someone with a medium laser *anywhere* on the mech at 135m.

We don't actually represent that insane level of inaccuracy because it would be stupid.

So would skimpy bewbie fan service outfits for the pilot.

Put them in a simple cooling suit. A mech is not somehow more cramped than a jet fighter cockpit. There's room to wear clothes.

Love of god people don't be so stupid.

[Mead]

There are entirely too many overly-serious people posting in this thread..

[Johnny Z]

MischiefSC, on 16 March 2016 - 02:42 AM, said:

As I stated earlier.

There is no need for a human female model if the glorious Tetatae are not appropriately represented. I want fully customizable plumage too.

Back on the other points;

It's worth pointing out that in the lore weapons were incredibly inaccurate. As in you had less than 50/50 odds of hitting someone with a medium laser *anywhere* on the mech at 135m.

We don't actually represent that insane level of inaccuracy because it would be stupid.

So would skimpy bewbie fan service outfits for the pilot.

Put them in a simple cooling suit. A mech is not somehow more cramped than a jet fighter cockpit. There's room to wear clothes.

Love of god people don't be so stupid.

+9000 for the bird alien pilots. That would be awesome. I will probly be human, but NPC's are a must, and to allow player pilots to be those bird things would be great.

This is a space Sci-fi and everyone knows in real life that somewhere out there, there are aliens, how can a space sci-fi not have aliens.

Also since everyone else is putting up pictures that bother me heres a female pilot model that's more my speed.

Edited by Johnny Z, 16 March 2016 - 04:25 AM.

[knight-of-ni]

Chuck Jager, on 15 March 2016 - 10:15 PM, said:

FEMALE ARMOR SUX
Seen this yet. I think it says it all

Dang it! I was just going to post that. ....wait.... I'll post it again and then pretend I didn't see your post....

[Elizander]

Lily from animove, on 16 March 2016 - 02:27 AM, said:

So I see the issue, there the boob faction now and the ones that want some realistic female armor models. So I hope PGI adds 2 one realistic one and a pay4boobs one to cater the boob need of some mechwarriors.

However, there iss till that lore part of mechwarriors (mostly IS without cooling vests, that go on beach lilke outfits due to heat in a mech) So the half naked underwear female pilot would be a fitting one, But PGI truly should give us options with this. And Hopefully we can also change colors of the suit as we can with our mech..

No reason why you can't have both in the game. I'm assuming this system is being built around full customization and not just having 1 model for each gender/faction.

Also please make sure that those pay4boobs things are included in the sales. Thanks!

Edited by Elizander, 16 March 2016 - 04:44 AM.

[Alek Ituin]

Sometimes armor boobs make sense. Other times, they do not. Skimpy armor is trash unless you have a good reason, like being cooked alive because the cockpit is an oven.

As for the practical IRL reasons, using the SoB as an example: You know how hard it is to determine if a mini is a man or a woman? They'd look pretty much identical to Space Marines, which would kind of ruin the faction and GW's income. But, if you add some conical armor boobs, suddenly you can differentiate them from a SM mini at a glance. Plus, sports bras or whatever are probably long-lost Dark Age tech, forgotten in favor of making giant stompy cathedral-robots and giant flying space-cathedrals.

[627]

What I have to think about all the time is that you can't really see your own pilot. You see legs and hands but that's it, the model doesn't even have a head.
What do you expect to see?



Afaik this is faith from mirrors edge and as you can see you can't see what you want to see. And this view won't change much even with enormous boobs and skyrim style armor.

[Graugger]

Saint Scarlett Johan, on 16 March 2016 - 12:16 AM, said:

Exactly.

It looks identical to the male version.




Notice the differences in their appearance of their tac? No? Because it doesn't exist.

EDIT: And that's what he's mostly getting at. The differences in military equipment between the sexes is simply nonexistent or negligible at best.

That kind of gear is exactly what I was what I was indicating it should be earlier.

[Jables McBarty]

Coralld, on 15 March 2016 - 02:25 PM, said:

Lost tech.

Pretty sure sports bras weren't lostech tho.

PardoTheCat, on 15 March 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

I wanna hear Tina's opinion about adding boob physics to the female pilot model.
do you think it would be too sexist?

Yep.

Krivvan, on 15 March 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

Even that isn't realistic. You don't need to make armor that shapes itself to breasts. The same exact armor worn by men is generally what is worn by women.

Fen Tetsudo, on 15 March 2016 - 03:48 PM, said:

No, its really not. Despite the current PCBS narrative, women are different than men - they have 10% less bone density, 10% less hemoglobin, 10% more body fat. And even with a B cup, they need to breathe.

Again, I fight with women in real life using swords and armor (HEMA & SCA also) Some can fit into male armor, most cannot and need a little more room up top.

RedDevil, on 15 March 2016 - 05:00 PM, said:

Shaped, hard boob armour is dangerous to the wearer. If you fall forward, you can get seriously hurt or even killed (if someone falls on top of you) from the all the force of the fall being transferred to your sternum rather than even distributed across the whole torso.

So boob armour would not have two individual cups, but just a slightly more rounded front if extra room was needed.

I think everyone posting can recognize this, the question is whether the want to admit it or not. Extra room in the chest area? Yes, for those who need it. Ridiculous Skyrim/anime proportions? Nope.

For the underwear-only crowd...I'll take that dude who said he was a tank driver at his word. When I worked in forestry, I wore Carhartts and long-sleeved shirts with gloves on even when it was 90+ degrees. Did it get hot? Yes. But was the protective gear worth it? Yes. How many dudes do you see driving a Caterpillar in boxers?

If it'll please the lore die-hards, then sure, make additional pilot models without pants on. But if I were a 'mech pilot, I'd put that cooling vest on under a long-sleeve shirt, and I'd sure as hell be wearing some durable pants.

[Aresye]

627, on 16 March 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

What do you expect to see?

[MechWarrior3671771]

Quote

I think everyone posting can recognize this, the question is whether the want to admit it or not. Extra room in the chest area? Yes, for those who need it. Ridiculous Skyrim/anime proportions? Nope.

It's interesting that no matter how many times I say how ridiculous Skyrin/anime armor is and that its not realistic, people still feel a need to argue with me that it is indeed ridiculous, simply because I pointed out the Stormtrooper meme is also ridiculous.

Why, its almost as if they are posting that for some other reason

Lets get it over with - everyone gather in a circle, thats good... just like that... you there, step in closer... now everyone look to your right as repeat after me:

"I am not sexist"

Now everyone look to your left and repeat back:

"That's so noble! I am so proud of you!"

Everyone good? We can do this all night if needed.

Edited by Fen Tetsudo, 16 March 2016 - 09:19 AM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Fen Tetsudo, on 16 March 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

"I am not a sexist"

Now everyone look to your left and repeat back:

"That's so noble! I am so proud of you!"

Everyone good? We can do this all night if needed.

I'm an equal opportunity perv. I want half nekkid male models as well. It's lore appropriate after all. Honest.

[Graugger]

Dude if you read the last part of that quote in your post properly you'd see he's agreeing with you... As I do... Just not in Skyrim.

Might be better to look at Morrowind or, can't remember Oblivion too well.

[GonaDie]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 March 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Am I doing this right?

Oh my f*ckin GOD!!!

Cover your eyes children!

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Graugger, on 16 March 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

That kind of gear is exactly what I was what I was indicating it should be earlier.

The G-suit would likely be replaced with a cooling suit of some sort, the flotation collar and vest would likely be replaced with a cooling vest, the survival vest would likely stay as is, as would the boots and gloves.

I would have loved being allowed to wear something besides my ACUs and IBA. The tankers in our HBCT get to wear nomex overalls that look a lot like the nomex flight suits pilots wear, and they loved it. They were also pretty snag free, I've had numerous rips and tears on edges in the M109.

Edited by Saint Scarlett Johan, 16 March 2016 - 09:35 AM.

[Jables McBarty]

Fen Tetsudo, on 16 March 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

It's interesting that no matter how many times I say how ridiculous Skyrin/anime armor is and that its not realistic, people still feel a need to argue with me that it is indeed ridiculous, simply because I pointed out the Stormtrooper meme is also ridiculous.

Why, its almost as if they are posting that for some other reason

Lets get it over with - everyone gather in a circle, thats good... just like that... you there, step in closer... now everyone look to your right as repeat after me:

"I am not sexist"

Now everyone look to your left and repeat back:

"That's so noble! I am so proud of you!"

Everyone good? We can do this all night if needed.

I thought I was agreeing with you on that skyrim point...?

As for the "I am only posting here because I need to prove I am not a sexist" argument, that sounds pretty solipsistic to be honest. Actions stem from ideas, ideas are formed through dialogue, and if the dialogue is dominated by people who are objectifying women and only one or two people object to that, then it appears to be acceptable to objectify women. That is why I at least comment on this thread.

The two basic stances here are:
1. I like big bewbs, give me big bewbs on my pilot model #pgipls
2. Women and men are physiologically different, pilot models should reflect that in a realistic, non-objectifying way.

People who are advocating #1 have either (a) never interacted with a woman they have not wanted to sleep* with or (b] think they are being funny but, given the nature of Internet sarcasm are giving the message that 1 is an acceptable stance for an adult to hold.

I had been under the impression that you were in camp #2 and was quoting you as a reference.



*For example, yourself (if you are a woman), a mother, sister, aunt, grandmother, female cousin, a female friend, a boss, coworker, the woman at the post office, etc.

Edited by Jables McBarty, 16 March 2016 - 09:53 AM.

[Appogee]

PardoTheCat, on 15 March 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

the new pilot model is flat chested as an ironing board.

I like flat-chested women.

Don't be breastist.

[NoiseCrypt]

Is this a compromise ?

[Aeternum Vale]

This is exactly the sort of shitpost garbage that brings me to the mwo forums.

[Strum Wealh]

Personally, I think that JBT managed to do justice to the idea of female characters' clothing.


("A House Kurita soldier in front of a Pegasus Hovercraft.")


("A mech pilot suited up and ready for action.")