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[wicm]

Old capquest bad...new worse!! The title says it all. The new Conquest is sooo bad that even the already minority of players who liked the old, are not voting for the new. With that in mind I like the new


On the other hand... Domination kinda cool. It is what capquest should have been.

When I started this game MWO was still new, and I thought that Conquest was a place holder for a soon to come "realistic game mode". Now after so much time I'm left wondering who in PGI likes this mode so much that its still being nursed along?

This dose not meen that I hate PGI, they are trying hard. Just wish they would get the hint that is given to us by the new voting method. First 6 matches with capquest as an option only 1 match had 1% voting for it the other five were 0% . After 6 matches I played another 10 and of those the few capwarriors had built up enough multiplyer to gain there mode twice (once just barly). Don't believe me PGI, look up my stats...they don't lie. If any players don't believe me just ask PGI to give us a straight vote (no multiplayer) and you will watch capquest die away.

finally proof

[wicm]

With nearly 100 people seeing this and not one having the usual arguments....its a good sign that the community is in a rare agreement. BTW the sheer amount of threads stating that Conquest is bad should change it soon.

[Timuroslav]

wicm, on 16 March 2016 - 12:51 PM, said:

With nearly 100 people seeing this and not one having the usual arguments....its a good sign that the community is in a rare agreement. BTW the sheer amount of threads stating that Conquest is bad should change it soon.

The problem is the die-hard . No-Respawn-in-any-form-Ever-people; Have a death grip on the game. Conquest in any form they hate and they hate change and variety. But, it's no fun watching the enemy team slowly win, when you can do nothing about it. So you win by capping points, There's nothing to worry about when the whole enemy team is dead...

But, hey they want every mode to be skirmish; and so far they are winning. Sigh
I advocated a way for Conquest to spawn in tanks, hover crafts and helicopters, but noooo "Everyone should be forced to play my way forever."

Edited by Timuroslav, 16 March 2016 - 12:59 PM.

[Bilbo]

wicm, on 16 March 2016 - 12:51 PM, said:

With nearly 100 people seeing this and not one having the usual arguments....its a good sign that the community is in a rare agreement. BTW the sheer amount of threads stating that Conquest is bad should change it soon.

Silly argument really. The community is never in agreement on anything. Conquest was probably my favorite mode before. Haven't played since the patch so I can't really say what I think of it now.

[Timuroslav]

Bilbo, on 16 March 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

Silly argument really. The community is never in agreement on anything. Conquest was probably my favorite mode before. Haven't played since the patch so I can't really say what I think of it now.

I also liked Conquest because it changed the focus areas of the map.
When the capture points were super spread out on Alphine, I loved it. Now it's Cater to the whiny Heavies and Assaults, who can't be bothered to listen to their team. Medium pilots are basically, bullied into following their team.

Also the New conquest has the new and improved waiting feature, for when your team gets wiped out.

Edited by Timuroslav, 16 March 2016 - 01:08 PM.

[Bilbo]

Timuroslav, on 16 March 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

I also liked Conquest because it changed the focus areas of the map.
When the capture points were super spread out on Alphine, I loved it. Now it's Cater to the whiny Heavies and Assaults.

Also the New conquest has the new and improved waiting feature, for when your team gets wiped out.

I can assure you, there is nothing about Alpine, in any game mode, that caters to an Assault.

[Lupis Volk]

Timuroslav, on 16 March 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

I also liked Conquest because it changed the focus areas of the map.
When the capture points were super spread out on Alphine, I loved it. Now it's Cater to the whiny Heavies and Assaults, who can't be bothered to listen to their team. Medium pilots are basically, bullied into following their team.

Also the New conquest has the new and improved waiting feature, for when your team gets wiped out.

if anything i think conquest here should be like everyother FPS. respawns, respawns everywhere.

[AnTi90d]

I hated the old Conquest. I hate the new Conquest even more.

Bring back the blacklist.

[wicm]

I feel sorry some times for the capwarriors. they used to have a mode they liked. On top of that they didn't have those that HATE it voting against them. They could play match after match with no interference from people like me who just want to destroy enemy mechs, For them I think it represents a bygone golden age.

[wicm]

As much as I and so many HATE capwuest ...I actually like Domination. On top of that it is one more nail in Capquest coffin.

[AEgg]

Yeah, waiting when the match results are a given is probably either a bug, an oversight, or PGI just didn't get it done in time.

There's no way it's intentional to have you sit around for a few minutes when you have more caps than the dead enemy team and are ahead on points already. Unless the dead team is ahead on points or caps the round should still end immediately becuase there's literally no possible way for them to win.

[Archangel.84]

"I've had almost no Conquest since patch!" Personal experience is always universal, obvs.

Myself, I've actually had more Conquest than anything since yesterday's patch with a dozen or so matches.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

They just need to fix conquest to auto end if the enemy has no chance of winning through caps once dead. Once they fix that, conquest will be back to being the best game mode, no respawns needed.

[Revis Volek]

I couldn't even watch the 4 min it took MY TEAM to win last night because i was bugged watching someones mech just rag doll.



Mode is lame, i will more then likely not be playing much until this is resolved, Domination is pretty lame too. Better then what we have now for modes but it needs work too.


So i guess its off to PoE for a few days until these issues are resolved.

Edited by Revis Volek, 16 March 2016 - 02:38 PM.

[JC Daxion]

wicm, on 16 March 2016 - 12:51 PM, said:

With nearly 100 people seeing this and not one having the usual arguments....its a good sign that the community is in a rare agreement. BTW the sheer amount of threads stating that Conquest is bad should change it soon.

Or maybe they just read it and think.. another patch, with people complaining about something...


and like the other guy said, If the math does not work, for the team that's dead to win.. the game should just auto finish. To me, there is zero difference, if you are going to loose on caps, with one guy hiding or the team dead.. You did not do a good enough job to keep them from cap wining, and you need to flip them to win. But, if everyone is dead, and the winning team is also leading on caps, the team should win, a simple code change would work in that scenario and probably the simplistic.


Funny, how many people complain about nothing more than death match,, a mode you actually have to do an objective and kill, people complain about and pick skirmish.. I'm at the point that i don't think any game more will make people happy.

Edited by JC Daxion, 16 March 2016 - 02:43 PM.

[Chuanhao]

Crowd A complained that the old conquest was just another variant of skirmish where the primary objective of the cap points was hardly achieved.

They changed the rules so that cap is fully required. And a team which is theoretically dead but has enough bases could actually win. But now crowd B is complaining that they just want skirmish variant type conquest ( so play skirmish right?)

I remember when we only had two modes of assault and conquest only.

Cant please everyone.

I just want turrets back in Assault. That's crowd C.

[Mystere]

wicm, on 16 March 2016 - 12:39 AM, said:

When I started this game MWO was still new, and I thought that Conquest was a place holder for a soon to come "realistic game mode".

I have three words for you: Minimally Viable Product.

Conquest, along with Assault, was supposed to be a mere placeholder. But then PGI not only decided to turn placeholders into "main features", they also decided to add Skirmish. Argh!!!!

Edited by Mystere, 16 March 2016 - 03:31 PM.

[Bilbo]

Chuanhao, on 16 March 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

Crowd A complained that the old conquest was just another variant of skirmish where the primary objective of the cap points was hardly achieved.

They changed the rules so that cap is fully required. And a team which is theoretically dead but has enough bases could actually win. But now crowd B is complaining that they just want skirmish variant type conquest ( so play skirmish right?)

I remember when we only had two modes of assault and conquest only.

Cant please everyone.

I just want turrets back in Assault. That's crowd C.

I was about to like your post, then I read your last sentence. That would make me crowd D?

[sycocys]

Well, you could always play the mode the way it is intended to be played instead of playing it as skirmish mode, then you'd probably find its a hell of a lot more fun.

[zagibu]

JC Daxion, on 16 March 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

and like the other guy said, If the math does not work, for the team that's dead to win.. the game should just auto finish.

You mean like how the game should auto finish when everyone on a team is dead but disconnected players? It totally didn't take long for PGI to implement that, did it?

Oh, wait, it has been that way for years and is still unchanged.