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#541 Y E O N N E

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 11:29 PM

View PostChi Guy 1, on 20 December 2016 - 11:27 PM, said:


Feel better? What's hilarious is you actually thought this was clever.


I am fairly certain you are the hilarious one here.

#542 El Bandito

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 12:01 AM

View PostChi Guy 1, on 20 December 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

HOT FIX - Clan Scouting Drop Deck Tonnage reduced to 50 (from 55). Dec 20, 2016

"...the greater distribution of higher Skill Tiered players on the Clan side, combined with a greater presence of organized, high-tier Units also aligned under the Clan banner, still make Scouting engagements an uphill battle for Inner Sphere forces."

I rest my case!!! MWO socialist dictators are punishing teams for having better skills and for drafting better mechs to join them. MWO is run by low-life socialist dictators who punish achievement and hard work in order to make losers feel better about themselves versus improving. WTH is that?

How dare you play well! How dare you bring together a steller team of players! What are you trying to do? Win??? We don't allow that in MWO. You are not allowed to win more than others regardless of the time and money you invested!

What's so laughable about this is some people view this as normal or acceptable. WTH happened to society??? WHy is winning punished??? MWO takes wimpification to new heights, They award poor performance and punish achievement. What a joke!!! I'll play out the rest of my Premium time and then fade into the sunset. Ill play from time to time when I am completely bored and snowed in versus looking forward to a robust gaming experience that is quickly being patched away.

MWO decisions makers platform is beyond repetitive. The only option for diversity in gaming experience was a robust line of mechs. Now they keep patching that away so that all mechs are the same. Yet they think this is a good business model??? They definitely have lost their way and no longer have a clue about the gaming experience. Good luck with that!

"...the greater distribution of higher Skill Tiered players on the Clan side..." Bwaahahahahaah! This is their reasoning to degrade your options. You play to well!!!! Bwaahahahahahah!!!



I'm gonna make it simple just so even someone like you is gonna understand. It is not healthy for the game if one side keeps winning. Unless PGI balances out both sides, CW 4.1 will become ghost town again fast, and that doesn't benefit anyone.

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 08:05 PM

View PostEl Bandito, on 21 December 2016 - 12:01 AM, said:



I'm gonna make it simple just so even someone like you is gonna understand. It is not healthy for the game if one side keeps winning. Unless PGI balances out both sides, CW 4.1 will become ghost town again fast, and that doesn't benefit anyone.


[Redacted]

MWO punishes achievement. Moreover, they charged me premium prices just to degrade my purchase a few weeks later because losers need to be coddled. "Someone like you" agrees with this nonsensical approach to competitive gaming. Where I hail from, if you don't like to lose, improve. In MWO this is not the case. In MWO, if you don't like to lose, keep losing. Doing so will prompt MWO to degrade the winner's ability to compete. [Redacted] like you approve of this method.

[Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 24 December 2016 - 09:35 PM.
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Posted 21 December 2016 - 08:10 PM

View PostYeonne Greene, on 19 December 2016 - 12:04 AM, said:

You didn't pay for performance, you paid for the experience of playing the 'Mech, an experience which is subject to change by the developer as per the ToS.

Welcome to the wonderful world of digital entertainment as a service.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 04:36 AM

View PostEl Bandito, on 19 December 2016 - 12:06 AM, said:

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Coming from someone who playes an LRM boat every time I see him in my match I imagine KDK does seems OP as hell, because you know ... torso twisting and spreading damage is a myth made up by CT aimbotting hackers.

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 04:55 AM

View PostChi Guy 1, on 21 December 2016 - 08:05 PM, said:

[Redacted]

MWO punishes achievement. Moreover, they charged me premium prices just to degrade my purchase a few weeks later because losers need to be coddled. "Someone like you" agrees with this nonsensical approach to competitive gaming. Where I hail from, if you don't like to lose, improve. In MWO this is not the case. In MWO, if you don't like to lose, keep losing. Doing so will prompt MWO to degrade the winner's ability to compete. [Redacted] like you approve of this method.

[Redacted]


What you seem not to get is, that in order to compete, everybody must have the "same" gear!

What you are arguing for is that it is perfectly ok to have to attend a formula one race with a formula renault car. That is ridiculous!

I actually laugh at those "comp" players and teams who are only going for the meta and think they are good. For me, they are not!

Edited by draiocht, 24 December 2016 - 09:40 PM.
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#547 El Bandito

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:00 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 23 December 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:

Coming from someone who playes an LRM boat every time I see him in my match I imagine KDK does seems OP as hell, because you know ... torso twisting and spreading damage is a myth made up by CT aimbotting hackers.


That's funny, cause I played a lot of KDK-3 for the last 3-4 months. My KDK-3 had 4:1 WLR and 5:1 KDR in the first 55 matches. It was then nerfed, but I still pull 1000+ damage every other match. The mech is way better than a Dire Whale. And judging from the amount of people who liked my post, many agree as well. So stop being stupid and make such comparisons.

Seriously. Gain better knowledge.

Edited by El Bandito, 23 December 2016 - 05:24 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:01 AM

The simple truth is some players are bad and refuse to accept that fact, and so will blame anything and everything other than their own poor skills for lackluster performance in game.

Edited by QuantumButler, 23 December 2016 - 05:01 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:04 AM

View PostZergling, on 19 December 2016 - 12:31 AM, said:


Given the assault mech you use is the Kodiak, you are actually well below average, as the Kodiak inflates player scores above actual skill level due to how powerful it is.


BS! The Kodiak is a good mech in skillful hands, but definately not a power enhance for new ppl or bad assault pilots! In fact, for me the KDK-3 s.cks big time! Too slow and sedate for my taste! My scores in the EXE as well as in the KDK-2 and SB are by far better than in this slow chunky sh.t that the KDK-3 is.



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Not an achievement; it is requires exceptionally bad play to lose PSR


That is an utterly stupid thing to say!

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:10 AM

View PostEl Bandito, on 23 December 2016 - 05:00 AM, said:

That's funny, cause I played mostly KDK-3 for the last three months. My KDK-3 had 4:1 WLR and 5:1 KDR in the first 55 matches. It was then nerfed, but I still pull 1000+ damage every other match. The mech is far far better than a Dire Whale. And judging from the amount of people who liked my post, many agree as well. So stop being stupid and make such comparisons.

Seriously. Gain better knowledge.


I'll 1v1 your Kodiak in a DireWhale any day. I've had 11.0 W/L, ~25.0 KDR and far better damage per kill ratio in a Jenner-IIC for the first couple days it came out so I guess it was even more OP than Kodiak, huh? Likewise I've been able to dish our 1000+ damages regulary in an SRM Cyclops, which thus following your logic is clearly on-par with a Kodiak.

Your "arguments" and your "knowledge" is nothing more than your own irrelevant opinion derived from nothing but your limited experience.

But please, stay clueless and keep posting the same gif every time you have no viable arguments left.

P.S. A hugh eye-opener here, but the amount of people liking your post has nothing to do with it actually being true or otherwise.

#551 El Bandito

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:22 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 23 December 2016 - 05:10 AM, said:

I'll 1v1 your Kodiak in a DireWhale any day. I've had 11.0 W/L, ~25.0 KDR and far better damage per kill ratio in a Jenner-IIC for the first couple days it came out so I guess it was even more OP than Kodiak, huh? Likewise I've been able to dish our 1000+ damages regulary in an SRM Cyclops, which thus following your logic is clearly on-par with a Kodiak.

Your "arguments" and your "knowledge" is nothing more than your own irrelevant opinion derived from nothing but your limited experience.

But please, stay clueless and keep posting the same gif every time you have no viable arguments left.

P.S. A hugh eye-opener here, but the amount of people liking your post has nothing to do with it actually being true or otherwise.


Yes, 1v1 is clearly the best way to know a mech's competence in MWO... Posted Image

Keep being ignorant and make stupid posts. Your loss.

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:29 AM

View PostEl Bandito, on 23 December 2016 - 05:22 AM, said:

Yes, 1v1 is clearly the best way to know a mech's competence in MWO... Posted Image


Sure is in case of a god-tier OP mech that Kodiak is according to you. If it isn't then your claim about KDK being OP goes poof.

So, what it'll be?

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:35 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 23 December 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:


Coming from someone who playes an LRM boat every time I see him in my match I imagine KDK does seems OP as hell, because you know ... torso twisting and spreading damage is a myth made up by CT aimbotting hackers.

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 23 December 2016 - 05:10 AM, said:

I'll 1v1 your Kodiak in a DireWhale any day. I've had 11.0 W/L, ~25.0 KDR and far better damage per kill ratio in a Jenner-IIC for the first couple days it came out so I guess it was even more OP than Kodiak, huh? Likewise I've been able to dish our 1000+ damages regulary in an SRM Cyclops, which thus following your logic is clearly on-par with a Kodiak.

Your "arguments" and your "knowledge" is nothing more than your own irrelevant opinion derived from nothing but your limited experience.

But please, stay clueless and keep posting the same gif every time you have no viable arguments left.

P.S. A hugh eye-opener here, but the amount of people liking your post has nothing to do with it actually being true or otherwise.


El Bandito has better leaderboard stats in all weight classes than you, which makes it quite likely he is better player.

You vs El Bandito, overall leaderboard stats, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.29 vs 1.67
Kills/Deaths = 2.34 vs 2.27
Kills/Battle = 1.28 vs 1.25
Average MS = 314 vs 373

Lights, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.28 vs 1.52
Kills/Death = 1.80 vs 1.66
Kills/Battle = 0.96 vs 0.91
Average MS = 241 vs 256

Mediums, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.23 vs 1.30
Kills/Deaths = 2.36 vs 1.46
Kills/Battle = 1.30 vs 0.93
Average MS = 292 vs 354

Heavies, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.24 vs 1.75
Kills/Deaths = 2.22 vs 2.36
Kills/Battle = 1.20 vs 1.27
Average MS = 313 vs 380

Assaults, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.40 vs 1.95
Kills/Deaths = 2.65 vs 3.14
Kills/Battle = 1.44 vs 1.59
Average MS = 356 vs 406

So while El Bandito is a bit less effective at killing than you in non-assaults, he is still winning more often, with more damage done per battle.
And in assaults, El Bandito is better in all of those performance categories.



View PostPhoolan Devi, on 23 December 2016 - 05:04 AM, said:

BS! The Kodiak is a good mech in skillful hands, but definately not a power enhance for new ppl or bad assault pilots! In fact, for me the KDK-3 s.cks big time! Too slow and sedate for my taste! My scores in the EXE as well as in the KDK-2 and SB are by far better than in this slow chunky sh.t that the KDK-3 is.


Then you are simply building the KDK-3 bad, or not even managing to do what terrible players manage to do, because the KDK-3's dakka build is absurdly easy to use.


View PostPhoolan Devi, on 23 December 2016 - 05:04 AM, said:

That is an utterly stupid thing to say!


It requires maintaining an average match score below 175, to actually lose PSR.

For anyone playing at a 'not potato' level of performance, their PSR is going to gradually increase.

Edited by Zergling, 23 December 2016 - 05:35 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:51 AM

View PostZergling, on 23 December 2016 - 05:35 AM, said:

El Bandito has better leaderboard stats in all weight classes than you, which makes it quite likely he is better player.

So while El Bandito is a bit less effective at killing than you in non-assaults, he is still winning more often, with more damage done per battle.
And in assaults, El Bandito is better in all of those performance categories.


Not too hard to do more damage and even kills when you lurm from behind your teammates compared to leading the frontline and actively trading your armor.

As for assaults, if he claims he only playes his KDK-3 then it explains it easily. I still play mechs like Atlases and Awesomes, and my most played assault mech is an Executioner, i.e. mechs that don't allow you to sit behind friendly meatshields and farm damage.

Regardless if he is a better player he shouldn't have a problem with beating me in 1v1 in a mech he claims is "ridiculously OP", right?

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:53 AM

View PostZergling, on 23 December 2016 - 05:35 AM, said:

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El Bandito has better leaderboard stats in all weight classes than you, which makes it quite likely he is better player.

You vs El Bandito, overall leaderboard stats, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.29 vs 1.67
Kills/Deaths = 2.34 vs 2.27
Kills/Battle = 1.28 vs 1.25
Average MS = 314 vs 373

Lights, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.28 vs 1.52
Kills/Death = 1.80 vs 1.66
Kills/Battle = 0.96 vs 0.91
Average MS = 241 vs 256

Mediums, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.23 vs 1.30
Kills/Deaths = 2.36 vs 1.46
Kills/Battle = 1.30 vs 0.93
Average MS = 292 vs 354

Heavies, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.24 vs 1.75
Kills/Deaths = 2.22 vs 2.36
Kills/Battle = 1.20 vs 1.27
Average MS = 313 vs 380

Assaults, all seasons combined:
Wins/Losses = 1.40 vs 1.95
Kills/Deaths = 2.65 vs 3.14
Kills/Battle = 1.44 vs 1.59
Average MS = 356 vs 406

So while El Bandito is a bit less effective at killing than you in non-assaults, he is still winning more often, with more damage done per battle.
And in assaults, El Bandito is better in all of those performance categories.


You love your stats, ey? But the thing is, they are worthless!





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Then you are simply building the KDK-3 bad, or not even managing to do what terrible players manage to do, because the KDK-3's dakka build is absurdly easy to use.


The dakka-build is exactly what I use on the KDK-3, but, FOR ME, it s.cks! Too much face time, to much of a spread of dmg etc. pp. ( first I used 2xuac 10 and 2xuac 5 ---->too hot and no back-up weapon.....then I used 4xuac 5 and 2xer large).

For my playstyle, the KDK-3 is not the mech to go....as well as the Atlas or KC. I'm reasonably good at the SB and the EXE. Fits more my playstyle.




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It requires maintaining an average match score below 175, to actually lose PSR.

For anyone playing at a 'not potato' level of performance, their PSR is going to gradually increase.


Where does the 175 come from, since it's 251 mp to not loose PSR!

Edited by Phoolan Devi, 23 December 2016 - 05:56 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 06:14 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 23 December 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:


Not too hard to do more damage and even kills when you lurm from behind your teammates compared to leading the frontline and actively trading your armor.

As for assaults, if he claims he only playes his KDK-3 then it explains it easily. I still play mechs like Atlases and Awesomes, and my most played assault mech is an Executioner, i.e. mechs that don't allow you to sit behind friendly meatshields and farm damage.

Regardless if he is a better player he shouldn't have a problem with beating me in 1v1 in a mech he claims is "ridiculously OP", right?


Well, if he only plays the KDK-3, his stats offer evidence to it being a very powerful mech.

But note again that his W/L in all classes are higher too; he may not be as effective as you at scoring kills, but what he is doing is helping his teams out more than your kills.

As for 1 vs 1, I dunno; they are a good test of personal combat ability, but not for things like situational awareness or ability to control the flow of a battle.
Like, battles in MWO aren't 1 vs 1s, but many vs many, so things that wouldn't be represented at all in a 1 vs 1 dual can cause a player to be better in many vs many battles.

Like, your stats do say you are a pretty damn good player yourself, but El Bandito is just better at winning battles, which says that in a many vs many, he controls the battlefield better.
It certainly is possible for you to be a better 1 vs 1 player, but worse than El Bandito in many vs many; every player has their own strengths and weaknesses afterall.



View PostPhoolan Devi, on 23 December 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

You love your stats, ey? But the thing is, they are worthless!


Far from worthless. Without statistics, all people have to go on are personal feelings and anecdotal evidence, which are what is truly worthless.



View PostPhoolan Devi, on 23 December 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

The dakka-build is exactly what I use on the KDK-3, but, FOR ME, it s.cks! Too much face time, to much of a spread of dmg etc. pp. ( first I used 2xuac 10 and 2xuac 5 ---->too hot and no back-up weapon.....then I used 4xuac 5 and 2xer large).


Then you are simply bad at using CLan UACs.



View PostPhoolan Devi, on 23 December 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

Where does the 175 come from, since it's 251 mp to not loose PSR!


I was working off memory; it is actually about 200 average MS to maintain PSR.

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At around 200 average matchscore, a player will typically lose PSR on a loss, but gain on a win, which balances out to keep them at their current PSR rating.


If you see the leaderboard averages for Season 4 here.
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For an Assault pilot, 200 average matchscore is below average, almost bottom 25% level. As such, it requires a far below average assault mech player to be consistently losing PSR.

Edited by Zergling, 23 December 2016 - 06:20 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 06:34 AM

View PostZergling, on 23 December 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

Well, if he only plays the KDK-3, his stats offer evidence to it being a very powerful mech.


Compared to what? ... SRM Awesome? Sure is. Doesn't mean it is OP compared to other mechs that are current "meta", Battlemaster, Marauder-IIC etc.

View PostZergling, on 23 December 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

But note again that his W/L in all classes are higher too; he may not be as effective as you at scoring kills, but what he is doing is helping his teams out more than your kills.


Or playes during potatoe times when you can single-handedly kill the entire enemy team. Or farms his stats while playing in group of 10, etc. You seem to know a lot of numbers, but seem to miss the fact that said numbers sadly have little relevance unless we know certain details, which we don't.

View PostZergling, on 23 December 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

As for 1 vs 1, I dunno; they are a good test of personal combat ability, but not for things like situational awareness or ability to control the flow of a battle.
Like, battles in MWO aren't 1 vs 1s, but many vs many, so things that wouldn't be represented at all in a 1 vs 1 dual can cause a player to be better in many vs many battles.


We aren't trying to prove his or mine awareness and whatnot. The thing in question is if KDK is really as OP as he claims or not. Clearly if it is he'll have no trouble beating an inferior mech in a 1v1.

I can take an UrbanMech and carry my team of clueless potatoes against an enemy team of clueless potatoes, doesn't mean jack in terms of UrbanMech being/not being OP.

View PostZergling, on 23 December 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

Like, your stats do say you are a pretty damn good player yourself, but El Bandito is just better at winning battles, which says that in a many vs many, he controls the battlefield better.
It certainly is possible for you to be a better 1 vs 1 player, but worse than El Bandito in many vs many; every player has their own strengths and weaknesses afterall.


Which once again has nothing to do with a question we are debating here for 28 pages. Even if he was a "worse" player based on stats or a worse player period he still should have been able to beat a "better" player by using a superior OP mech vs an inferior one.

#558 adamts01

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 06:41 AM

All I have to say, is anyone still claiming the Kodiak isn't OP is making a living [Redacted] at Paranha. After a 6 month break, I came back to see it lost ALL it's quirks (finally) and is still the premier assault.

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 07:38 AM

View Postadamts01, on 23 December 2016 - 06:41 AM, said:

All I have to say, is anyone still claiming the Kodiak isn't OP is making a living [Redacted] at Paranha. After a 6 month break, I came back to see it lost ALL it's quirks (finally) and is still the premier assault.


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Posted 23 December 2016 - 08:11 AM

The KDK-3 is not OP.

It's a minority of 5-6 forum warriors constantly calling for everything under the sun to get nerfed - and are EXTREMELY vocal about doing so.

0/10 would not OP again

Edited by AphexTwin11, 23 December 2016 - 08:15 AM.






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