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[Chi Guy 1]

Mcgral18, on 17 December 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

All Kodiaks are better than most 100 tonners
The Atlas D, even Uberquirked, cannot hope to withstand the firepower a KDK-1 can put out before dying (because it has bad hardpoints).

Only one Kodiak does not have what you could call enough hardpoints, and the HoverJets™ don't really make up for it, but even it can carry adequate loadouts.


What you're doing is trying to sound intellectual, while all you really are is a Terribad.
I'm sorry you no longer have a robot who is overperforming. Try to play better.
I'm sure your IQ is high enough to shoot robots effectively

Wow. A lame non-responsive response. How clever (not). I laid out three distinct issues and labeled them numerically yet this non-responsive response failed to address any one of the three. So you parse a single line and harp on it. Does twirling shiny keys really work in the circles you travel?

You must be a politician with this utterly feckless response. "The Kodiak is better than the Atlas". Really? Perhaps this is why I chose to invest in the Kodiak after some extensive research. What does that have to do with ANY of the three points I made? BTW, years ago the Atlas used to be the king of the mechs. It too has been watered down. MWO prefers to make everyone weak versus making weaker mechs stronger. They should reclassify "Assault" mechs to "Hunk of Junk" line.

Out of curiosity, how does your specious response address the FACT that MWO is charging the same price for the Kodiak after degrading its performance? Or is this a "lie" too? BTW, before you claim a statement to be false, inspect all of the analytics versus spewing "Mech A scores higher than mech B". Which load-outs? Which players? What are the team stats? What mechs/players comprised the teams? Look beyond the surface before twirling shiny keys by accusing people of "lying". That said, considering your inability to address the three issues I stated, I understand your initial reflex to sink to baseless distractions.

Edited by Chi Guy 1, 17 December 2016 - 07:43 PM.

[mogs01gt]

Chi Guy 1, on 17 December 2016 - 07:32 PM, said:

Wow. A lame non-responsive response. How clever (not). I laid out three distinct issues and labeled them numerically yet this non-responsive response failed to address any one of the three. So you parse a single line and harp on it. Does twirling shiny keys really work in the circles you travel?

You must be a politician with this utterly feckless response. "The Kodiak is better than the Atlas". Really? Perhaps this is why I chose to invest in the Kodiak after some extensive research. What does that have to do with ANY of the three points I made? BTW, years ago the Atlas used to be the king of the mechs. It too has been watered down. MWO prefers to make everyone weak versus making weaker mechs stronger. They should reclassify "Assault" mechs to "Hunk of Junk" line.

Out of curiosity, how does your specious response address the FACT that MWO is charging the same price for the Kodiak after degrading its performance? Or is this a "lie" too? BTW, before you claim a statement to be false, inspect all of the analytics versus spewing A scores higher than B. Which load-outs? Which players? What are team stats? What mechs/players comprised the teams? Look beyond the surface before twirling shiny keys by accusing people of "lying". Considering your inability to address the three issues I stated, I understand your initial reflex to sink to baseless distractions.

No its simple. He was right, you are wrong. Stop with conspiracy theories. PGI, and other F2P games, has done actions like this since well, forever. I could name multiple times that LoL has nerf'd brand new champs the week or month they were released.

Edited by mogs01gt, 17 December 2016 - 07:39 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Chi Guy 1, on 17 December 2016 - 07:32 PM, said:

Wow. A lame non-responsive response. How clever (not). I laid out three distinct issues and labeled them numerically yet this non-responsive response failed to address any one of the three. So you parse a single line and harp on it. Does twirling shiny keys really work in the circles you travel?

You must be a politician with this utterly feckless response. "The Kodiak is better than the Atlas". Really? Perhaps this is why I chose to invest in the Kodiak after some extensive research. What does that have to do with ANY of the three points I made? BTW, years ago the Atlas used to be the king of the mechs. It too has been watered down. MWO prefers to make everyone weak versus making weaker mechs stronger. They should reclassify "Assault" mechs to "Hunk of Junk" line.

Out of curiosity, how does your specious response address the FACT that MWO is charging the same price for the Kodiak after degrading its performance? Or is this a "lie" too? BTW, before you claim a statement to be false, inspect all of the analytics versus spewing A scores higher than B. Which load-outs? Which players? What are team stats? What mechs/players comprised the teams? Look beyond the surface before twirling shiny keys by accusing people of "lying". Considering your inability to address the three issues I stated, I understand your initial reflex to sink to baseless distractions.

Why does the Viper cost as much as the Kodiak?

Or the Urbanmech?


Because MechPacks all cost the same
It doesn't matter if they're God Tier or Trash Tier

[MechWarrior5152251]

The only thing that keeps them balanced is that everyone even in pugs will focus fire them first.

[Zergling]

Chi Guy 1, on 17 December 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

Actually, I score high damage more often than not, only because of ingenuity. Mouth pieces of the world fail to comprehend the true nature of an issue because they tend to suffer IQ Deficiency Syndrome.

Lets look at your overall leaderboard stats: https://mwomercs.com...&user=Chi+Guy+1

Season 3: 0.57 W/L, 0.06 K/D, 0.05 Kills/Battle, 48 average match score
Season 4: 0.75 W/L, 0.48 K/D, 0.33 Kills/Battle, 127 average match score
Season 5: 0.94 W/L, 0.78 K/D, 0.50 Kills/Battle, 195 average match score
Season 6: 0.90 W/L, 1.17 K/D, 0.74 Kills/Battle, 239 average match score

Stats in Season 3 indicate a player that is intentionally suiciding at the start of each battle, which is behaviour punishable by bans.
Season 4 is barely better, while Season 5 and 6 are those of a below average player.


Season 5 and 6 are almost exclusively in assault mechs, so here is your leaderboard stats in Assaults: https://mwomercs.com...&user=Chi+Guy+1

Season 5: 0.96 W/L, 0.85 K/D, 0.53 Kills/Battle, 202 average match score
Season 6: 0.90 W/L, 1.18 K/D, 0.74 Kills/Battle, 240 average match score

You are in fact, a below average assault mech player; you do not 'score high damage more often than not'.
As a below average player, you actually score low damage more often than not.

Further, if you are scoring so badly in an assault mech as powerful as the Kodiak, then you aren't just below average, but well below average.

Edited by Zergling, 17 December 2016 - 09:09 PM.

[The Lobsters]

Chi Guy 1, on 17 December 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

Regarding socialism, it appears you may not be aware of the multitude of nuances associated with socialism versus the two-line definition likely found in Google.

Hombre, I'm not going to debate the KDK with you, you'll ............beat me with experience.

As far a socialism goes, I come from a country, family, education and career steeped in socialism. I am an ardent socialist. You're not mentally equipped to have a conversation about it.



You do have a more nuanced understanding of car parts than me, I will give you that.







Ed. A good, simple definition of modern western socialism could be that taking part in your society should not be P2W. I take it all back. You do understand socialism better than I'd originally thought. Apologies.



.

Edited by The Lobsters, 18 December 2016 - 04:23 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Heh, this thread suddenly became entertaining again ...

Regarding the KDK nerf comments ... Kodiaks got little nerfs that hardly affected their performance IMO. Most of the nerfs that affected KDK-3 specifically were nerfs to weapon systems ("proper" CUAC10 ghost heat and CUACs jam nerfs across the board), that in fact affected other mechs the same way if not more than KDK-3. The "3" was already hardly OP after UAC10s got ghostheated, now its somewhere in the land of uselessness alongside Direwhales. And there was absolutely no reason to shaft other KDKs that were rather mediocre to begin with.

But I guess the meta that is most loved by the baddies is back again. Need moar lazorsz!
Clueless devs are still clueless. Keep calm and wait for HBS.

[Chi Guy 1]

Zergling, on 17 December 2016 - 08:26 PM, said:

Lets look at your overall leaderboard stats: https://mwomercs.com...&user=Chi+Guy+1

Season 3: 0.57 W/L, 0.06 K/D, 0.05 Kills/Battle, 48 average match score
Season 4: 0.75 W/L, 0.48 K/D, 0.33 Kills/Battle, 127 average match score
Season 5: 0.94 W/L, 0.78 K/D, 0.50 Kills/Battle, 195 average match score
Season 6: 0.90 W/L, 1.17 K/D, 0.74 Kills/Battle, 239 average match score

Stats in Season 3 indicate a player that is intentionally suiciding at the start of each battle, which is behaviour punishable by bans.
Season 4 is barely better, while Season 5 and 6 are those of a below average player.


Season 5 and 6 are almost exclusively in assault mechs, so here is your leaderboard stats in Assaults: https://mwomercs.com...&user=Chi+Guy+1

Season 5: 0.96 W/L, 0.85 K/D, 0.53 Kills/Battle, 202 average match score
Season 6: 0.90 W/L, 1.18 K/D, 0.74 Kills/Battle, 240 average match score

You are in fact, a below average assault mech player; you do not 'score high damage more often than not'.
As a below average player, you actually score low damage more often than not.

Further, if you are scoring so badly in an assault mech as powerful as the Kodiak, then you aren't just below average, but well below average.

Agreed. I AM a below average assault mech player. I have NEVER played MWO before a few months ago. I had played the PC game many years ago and continued to play the PC version for some time. So your assessment regarding my piloting skills (as compared to MWO pros) is correct. Tell me something I don't know. I am still at level 5. I never claimed to be good at the game. LATELY, I am scoring well even to the point that I don't lose points when we lose a match. Not all of the time but definitely more often each week.

"Stats in Season 3 indicate a player that is intentionally suiciding at the start of each battle, which is behaviour punishable by bans."

False. I did not commit suicide runs. I was (and still am) learning how to play the online version. Yet another false, feckless accusation based on massive leaps of ASSumptions and little to no true analytics. My skill Level initially dropped as I initially started playing a few months ago. It has been on a steady climb over past several weeks as I make adjustments to the loadout of my degraded Kodiaks. One Spirit Bear loadout I created is very successful when playing with a half-way decent team or better. I also experiment with other variants/loadouts (since I invested so many resources into them before the patch) E.g. Kodiak 1 and Kodiak 3 with very little success at decent damage scores AFTER the degradation of the line. So get the facts before spewing nonsense. The only thing that can be gleaned from available data are trends of skill, weapons, and builds. To try to claim the available data can show "suicides" is beyond ridiculous. You don't even know what type of system I use. Am I using a gaming system or a cheap laptop? Do I have a gaming mouse or a PS# Controller? Again, the online analytics are only a fraction of the story. Having to repeat this simple fact just goes to show the depth of your reasoning.

So feel free to assume all that you wish without considering the massive holes in your data. Again, another shiny-key twirling wannabe quoting player stats as though that is the only factor to drawing an accurate conclusion. Rather than accept the fact that match-scores and the like are nowhere near enough to draw accurate conclusions, you post them as though they are smoking guns just moments after a crime.

You and the rest of your cronies can continue to pile on baseless conclusions derived from a fraction of the necessary factors until kingdom come. Group-think is human nature, which often leads to destructive outcomes.

Regarding cost, the degraded Kodiak still goes for 16,000,000 C-Bills/each AFTER the change. Had I known they were going to degrade the performance I may have considered investing in a less expensive line such as the Atlas (or whatever). Then there is the cost of Mastering each variant just to have the entire investment degraded. Unlike you I've stated facts versus wild-eyed guesses/accusations based on extremely limited data.

Edited by Chi Guy 1, 18 December 2016 - 11:42 PM.

[Chi Guy 1]

Mcgral18, on 17 December 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Why does the Viper cost as much as the Kodiak?

Or the Urbanmech?


Because MechPacks all cost the same
It doesn't matter if they're God Tier or Trash Tier

In this instance I was referring to c-bill cost. I understand where you are drawing your comparison from. At least you drew an accurate conclusion in this post based on appropriate information unlike some other responses. You just did not realize that I was referring to c-bills regarding the cost not changing after degrading the performance. I do not expect the bundle prices to change. Only the popularity of the bundle may change after the patch. Time will tell.

[Chi Guy 1]

The Lobsters, on 17 December 2016 - 09:12 PM, said:

Hombre, I'm not going to debate the KDK with you, you'll ............beat me with experience. As far a socialism goes, I come from a country, family, education and career steeped in socialism. I am an ardent socialist. You're not mentally equipped to have a conversation about it. You do have a more nuanced understanding of car parts than me, I will give you that. Ed. A good, simple definition of modern western socialism could be that taking part in your society should not be P2W. I take it all back. You do understand socialism better than I'd originally thought. Apologies. .

If your apology is sincere, then I offer my apologies in return.

Socialism has its place as a very limited subset of any civil society IMHO.

Regarding P2W. This is not my argument. My argument is "get what you paid for". If you sell me a product, once the purchase has been made it is now my property. If you want to change the environment, I did not purchase that. If you want to change the product, you should inform potential buyers far in advance of the change. Additionally, the c-bill price should be reduced to reflect the performance of the new degraded design, versus the old (and better) design.

The change affected all of the five Kodiaks I purchased. This is five times the c-bill cost of 16,000,000 (or so), I purchased 3 Kodiaks to Master them. I then bought the Bundle to round out the gaming experience with this line. I now only use two of the five that I have. One of those I only use 20% of the time, which has really narrowed my gaming experience. I keep tweaking loadouts on the other three and trying them out in a couple of matches to no avail, which accounts for the low damage average.

Then there are the hours of gameplay it takes for a newbie to master a line for an improved experience. It is more comprehensive than match-stats. I don't mind losing. I have lost many matches and enjoyed the experience while doing so. MWO has adversly impacted my overall gaming experience as well as my investment to obtain that experience.

MWO needs to think more deeply before tossing out radical changes to a product after selling the product. I didn't buy the Kodiak line just to win. I bought it because research indicated the Kodiak line offered me a diverse gaming experience from brawling to missile boating to support roles. It does not come with ECM and it does not come with dual AMS to be such a large target. It also does not include omnipods. I weighed these amd other factors before my purchase. Torso twist radius was a factor that offset some of the negatives of the Kodiak, to include its seer size which is a negative as well due to exposer. The missile launcher sits very high making it an easy target when not behind cover. Torso twist impacts the ability to cover and the ability to walk perpendicular to an opponent. This was all a consideration for the line. Hence my current level of disappointment.

MWO is only a game. However, it is also time spent and money spent investing in a line you will never get back. Now I have to weigh the cost (time, c-bills, USD) of Mastering another line.

Edited by Chi Guy 1, 19 December 2016 - 12:55 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

You didn't pay for performance, you paid for the experience of playing the 'Mech, an experience which is subject to change by the developer as per the ToS.

Welcome to the wonderful world of digital entertainment as a service.

[El Bandito]

PhoenixFire55, on 18 December 2016 - 02:53 AM, said:

The "3" was already hardly OP after UAC10s got ghostheated, now its somewhere in the land of uselessness alongside Direwhales.

[Zergling]

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

Agreed. I AM a below average assault mech player. I have NEVER played MWO before a few months ago. I had played the PC game many years ago and continued to play the PC version for some time. So your assessment regarding my piloting skills (as compared to MWO pros) is correct.

Given the assault mech you use is the Kodiak, you are actually well below average, as the Kodiak inflates player scores above actual skill level due to how powerful it is.

And my assessment isn't compared to pros, but to the average player, who is actually godawful bad at the game.

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

I am still at level 5.

That is something that requires particularly bad play to achieve.

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

I never claimed to be good at the game.

You made the claim you score 'high damage more often than not', in a rather aggressive fashion.

That is a claim of being an above average player at least.

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

LATELY, I am scoring well even to the point that I don't lose points when we lose a match.

Not an achievement; it is requires exceptionally bad play to lose PSR points.

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

False. I did not commit suicide runs. I was (and still am) learning how to play the online version. Yet another false, feckless accusation based on massive leaps of ASSumptions and little to no true analytics. My skill Level initially dropped as I initially started playing a few months ago. It has been on a steady climb over past several weeks as I make adjustments to the loadout of my degraded Kodiaks. One Spirit Bear loadout I created is very successful when playing with a half-way decent team or better. I also experiment with other variants/loadouts (since I invested so many resources into them before the patch) E.g. Kodiak 1 and Kodiak 3 with very little success at decent damage scores AFTER the degradation of the line. So get the facts before spewing nonsense. The only thing that can be gleaned from available data are trends of skill, weapons, and builds. To try to claim the available data can show "suicides" is beyond ridiculous. You don't even know what type of system I use. Am I using a gaming system or a cheap laptop? Do I have a gaming mouse or a PS# Controller? Again, the online analytics are only a fraction of the story. Having to repeat this simple fact just goes to show the depth of your reasoning.

So feel free to assume all that you wish without considering the massive holes in your data. Again, another shiny-key twirling wannabe quoting player stats as though that is the only factor to drawing an accurate conclusion. Rather than accept the fact that match-scores and the like are nowhere near enough to draw accurate conclusions, you post them as though they are smoking guns just moments after a crime.

You and the rest of your cronies can continue to pile on baseless conclusions derived from a fraction of the necessary factors until kingdom come. Group-think is human nature, which often leads to destructive outcomes.

You do realise just how hilariously defensive you look for posting a massive sperg like this, right?

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

Regarding cost, the degraded Kodiak still goes for 16,000,000 C-Bills/each AFTER the change. Had I known they were going to degrade the performance I may have considered investing in a less expensive line such as the Atlas (or whatever). Then there is the cost of Mastering each variant just to have the entire investment degraded.

Paying for something doesn't render it immune to nerfs, so suck it up.

If you want Pay 2 Win, go find another game.

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

Unlike you I've stated facts versus wild-eyed guesses/accusations based on extremely limited data.

Oh look everyone, another member of the human race that doesn't understand the difference between facts and opinion.

What an incredible surprise.

Edited by Zergling, 19 December 2016 - 02:31 AM.

[chucklesMuch]

Chi Guy 1, on 18 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

Snip...
I have NEVER played MWO before a few months ago.
Snip...

Welcome to MW:O. Where people are very passionate about all things mech (and animated gifs).

It sucks when you are trying to get the hang of things and PGI re balance your favorite mech/map/weapon system. The longer you play the more this will occur, it's part of balance life in MWO and in the terms and conditions.

The kdk-3 in the hands of a pilot like Mcgral18 is OP... he and other very good pilots demonstrated over and over that the kodiak's were OP and needed to be adjusted for balance.

Edit: Asking questions, whilst you are learning this game. Will generally result in more positive feedback, then making statements or presenting opinions (especially on loaded topics that have been over represented on the forums for months)

Edited by chucklesMuch, 19 December 2016 - 12:52 AM.

[Chi Guy 1]

The Lobsters, on 17 December 2016 - 09:12 PM, said:

Hombre, I'm not going to debate the KDK with you, you'll ............beat me with experience. As far a socialism goes, I come from a country, family, education and career steeped in socialism. I am an ardent socialist. You're not mentally equipped to have a conversation about it. You do have a more nuanced understanding of car parts than me, I will give you that. Ed. A good, simple definition of modern western socialism could be that taking part in your society should not be P2W. I take it all back. You do understand socialism better than I'd originally thought. Apologies. .

If your apology is sincere, then I offer my apologies in return.

Socialism has its place as a very limited subset of any civil society IMHO.

Regarding P2W. This is not my argument. My argument is "get what you paid for". If you sell me a product, once the purchase has been made it is now my property. If you want to change the environment, I did not purchase that. If you want to change the product, you should inform potential buyers far in advance of the change. Additionally, the c-bill price should be reduced to reflect the performance of the new degraded design, versus the old (and better) design.

The change affected all of the five Kodiaks I purchased. This is five times the c-bill cost of 16,000,000 (or so), I purchased 3 Kodiaks to Master them. I then bought the Bundle to round out the gaming experience with this line. I now only use two of the five that I have. One of those I only use 20% of the time, which has really narrowed my gaming experience. I keep tweaking loadouts on the other three and trying them out in a couple of matches to no avail, which accounts for the low damage average.

Then there are the hours of gameplay it takes for a newbie to master a line for an improved experience. It is more comprehensive than match-stats. I don't mind losing. I have lost many matches and enjoyed the experience while doing so. MWO has adversly impacted my overall gaming experience as well as my investment to obtain that experience.

MWO needs to think more deeply before tossing out radical changes to a product after selling the product. I didn't buy the Kodiak line just to win. I bought it because research indicated the Kodiak line offered me a diverse gaming experience from brawling to missile boating to support roles. It does not come with ECM and it does not come with dual AMS to be such a large target. It also does not include omnipods. I weighed these amd other factors before my purchase. Torso twist radius was a factor that offset some of the negatives of the Kodiak, to include its seer size which is a negative as well due to exposer. The missile launcher sits very high making it an easy target when not behind cover. Torso twist impacts the ability to cover and the ability to walk perpendicular to an opponent. This was all a consideration for the line. Hence my current level of disappointment.

MWO is only a game. However, it is also time spent and money spent investing in a line you will never get back. Now I have to weigh the cost (time, c-bills, USD) of Mastering another line.

Edited by Chi Guy 1, 19 December 2016 - 12:55 AM.

[Trollfeed]

Damn this thread still just keeps giving.

[Chi Guy 1]

HOT FIX - Clan Scouting Drop Deck Tonnage reduced to 50 (from 55). Dec 20, 2016

"...the greater distribution of higher Skill Tiered players on the Clan side, combined with a greater presence of organized, high-tier Units also aligned under the Clan banner, still make Scouting engagements an uphill battle for Inner Sphere forces."

I rest my case!!! MWO socialist dictators are punishing teams for having better skills and for drafting better mechs to join them. MWO is run by low-life socialist dictators who punish achievement and hard work in order to make losers feel better about themselves versus improving. WTH is that?

How dare you play well! How dare you bring together a steller team of players! What are you trying to do? Win??? We don't allow that in MWO. You are not allowed to win more than others regardless of the time and money you invested!

What's so laughable about this is some people view this as normal or acceptable. WTH happened to society??? WHy is winning punished??? MWO takes wimpification to new heights, They award poor performance and punish achievement. What a joke!!! I'll play out the rest of my Premium time and then fade into the sunset. Ill play from time to time when I am completely bored and snowed in versus looking forward to a robust gaming experience that is quickly being patched away.

MWO decisions makers platform is beyond repetitive. The only option for diversity in gaming experience was a robust line of mechs. Now they keep patching that away so that all mechs are the same. Yet they think this is a good business model??? They definitely have lost their way and no longer have a clue about the gaming experience. Good luck with that!

"...the greater distribution of higher Skill Tiered players on the Clan side..." Bwaahahahahaah! This is their reasoning to degrade your options. You play to well!!!! Bwaahahahahahah!!!

[Zergling]

[Y E O N N E]

Fun fact: game development is not a democracy. The developer does what the developer wants.

[Chi Guy 1]

Yeonne Greene, on 20 December 2016 - 09:59 PM, said:

Fun fact: game development is not a democracy. The developer does what the developer wants.

Feel better? What's interesting is you actually thought this was clever.

That said. I completely agree with you.

Edited by Chi Guy 1, 20 December 2016 - 11:43 PM.