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[p4r4g0n]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 06:30 PM, said:

I am a newer player and I don't own any of those, events should be playable by newer players, but it seems like in this game newer players are only here to be victimized. Seals to club. (as someone said in another post)

Are you looking for solutions or just want to rant?

Take a look at the trial mechs and try one that puts out a lot of up front damage i.e. a ballistic heavy loadout, srm heavy loadout. Play smart - fire, hide, reposition ... rinse & repeat.

Helps if you can fire at the same target multiple times instead of multiple targets once. Hitting "R" to lock a target helps you track said target so you can shoot it again from a different position.

Edit: Try this stormcrow build - http://mwo.smurfy-ne...36f62938b9b72b0
To avoid overheating, split the weapons into 2 groups and fire them separately.

Edited by p4r4g0n, 21 May 2016 - 06:54 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:

The only gimps are on my team every game, I have tried all the trial mechs they all suck, I own 2 storm crows, but they just overheat too fast to do any damage.

Stormcrow are excellent mechs. If you're having heat issues, though, it could be a problem of builds. What builds are you running?

You'll be primarily matched against low tier enemies, so I'll go back to my earlier suggestion: LRM's. I'll post a good build for smashing Kodiak's from safety in a couple minutes.

[Chimera_]

Wintersdark, on 21 May 2016 - 06:42 PM, said:

He's new, so he's not going to have a skill advantage against the terribad KDK pilots.

My point being that I think a new player in a Kodiak could easily do worse than a new player in, say, a Timberwolf. Kodiaks are a tricky mech to get used to, since they're very quick to die when you're not playing them to their strengths.

Your point about the MM is valid though, many pilots I've seen lately could easily be tier 4-5.

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:

The only gimps are on my team every game, I have tried all the trial mechs they all suck, I own 2 storm crows, but they just overheat too fast to do any damage.

Using bad mechs/builds doesn't mean your enemies are OP. If you have stormcrows and they're overheating too fast for you, try removing some weapons and replacing them with heatsinks until you're more comfortable with riding that heat threshold.

If you want to legitimately have a better time and not just rant, tell us your builds and we can try to help you get something more new player friendly.

Edited by Chimera11, 21 May 2016 - 06:50 PM.

[p4r4g0n]

Chimera11, on 21 May 2016 - 06:48 PM, said:

Your point about the MM is valid though, many pilots I've seen lately could easily be tier 4-5.

Max tier spread is +/- 2 so highly unlikely you are seeing Tier 5's.

[Chimera_]

p4r4g0n, on 21 May 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

Max tier spread is +/- 2 so highly unlikely you are seeing Tier 5's.

Yeah, then lots of tier 4s then. I don't think there are that many people in tier 5 anyway, it's incredibly easy to get to tier 4. I was only in tier 5 for a day or two when I started in Dec.

I wouldn't be surprised if they relaxed the tier confines a bit with the event though. I know tiers are less separated due to the KDK launch...though it's unlikely they would remove that restriction even with queue issues.

Edited by Chimera11, 21 May 2016 - 07:02 PM.

[Ghogiel]

I'm sure it's hell down there in the underhive with all the pro players focus firing, only hitting CT, and what not.

[Wintersdark]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:

The only gimps are on my team every game, I have tried all the trial mechs they all suck, I own 2 storm crows, but they just overheat too fast to do any damage.

Ok, you could try something like this:

SCR-PRIME

Chainfire the LRM's from range, then once you're out of ammo (or something gets close) switch to the ER Small Lasers group fired. Don't fire both at once, don't fire the ERSL's at long ranges, and don't group fire the LRM's. Fire LRM's at >200m, ERSL <200m. The LRM's are good for upwards of 1080 damage (though realistically they won't get that), and the ERSL's can hit a pinpoint for 30 damage per burn.

At entry level play, that'll allow you to do a lot of damage before exposing yourself much, but strive to get your own missile locks when possible, as you'll know if you can actually hit your target or not. Move into cover if they start firing at you, of course.

Once you're out of LRM ammo, or things get close, the ERSL's are very dangerous and can handle (with basic skills alone) a solid amount of fire with decent heat management. Pay attention to how much firing the 6 ERSL's generate, and don't fire if that'll push you over 100% - shutting down is bad, don't do that.

Edit:

If you still find this too hot, replace two LRM10's with LRM5's. That'll save 3 tons, put that into 3 more DHS.

-> SCR-PRIME

More edit:

Note that these are SCR-Primes, but it doesn't matter which you use, they're all the same. Just have to slot in the correct omnipods for the arms and side torsos.

Edited by Wintersdark, 21 May 2016 - 07:08 PM.

[Karmen Baric]

For a Stormcrow load up on Streak 6s & you will be able to get KMMD without too much trouble id imagine. just focus on one mech until its dead.

Something like this build (or change medium laser to TAG for quicker locks)

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...fe7b142d7408f8d

[Jack Rueger]

Wintersdark, on 21 May 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Stormcrow are excellent mechs. If you're having heat issues, though, it could be a problem of builds. What builds are you running?

You'll be primarily matched against low tier enemies, so I'll go back to my earlier suggestion: LRM's. I'll post a good build for smashing Kodiak's from safety in a couple minutes.

I have an SCR-Prime and SCR-C, I dont have enough money to change them, so they are stock.

[Chimera_]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 07:09 PM, said:

I have an SCR-Prime and SCR-C, I dont have enough money to change them, so they are stock.

The stock Stormcrow prime has a pretty low heat setup...if you're overheating frequently with that, you really need to get more used to watching your heat.

Ultimately you just need to play the game more to get better. Literally everyone has to do this, and you can't expect to do well when you have literally no experience with the game. I'd recommend taking a look at Metamechs.com for some good starter builds, and youtube channels like Kanajashi for tutorials with the various game mechanics.

Edited by Chimera11, 21 May 2016 - 07:15 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 07:09 PM, said:

so they are stock. potato

Potato

[Mcgral18]

Ghogiel, on 21 May 2016 - 07:16 PM, said:

Potato

At least the Prime is among the least potato...aside from using ERLLs

[p4r4g0n]

SCR-Prime - 3 Medium Lasers on button 1, 2 Large Lasers on button 2. Fire 0.5 secs apart

SCR-C - C-Large Pulse Laser button 1, C-LB10X-AC button 2, C-Medium Pulse Lasers button 3. LB10X is good for racking up damage, do not waste ammo.

In the game client, go to the "Skills" -> Mediums -> Stormcrows -> click on Mech Tree for Stormcrow Prime and later C. Unlock Cool Run and Heat Containment if you have enough XP. If not, do it as soon as you do.

[Elrik Stormbringer]

The ebon jaguar trial mech is very strong, I suggest you work with it and the timber wolf one to try to get the challenges finished.

Unfortunately, the game is going to be rough on new players until they get the hang of it. Honestly, if you can't take being on the losing end, this may not be the game for you. I started out in January and for the first few events it was a real slog to get all the rewards if I was able to at all. Now with this event, I had it finished within the first hour or two of logging in on Friday, and I got it all running ebon jags.

[Tarogato]

Can confirm on the "git gud" comments. I haven't been paying attention to the event and just been testing new builds in my Enforcers and Stormcrows and I apparently already finished all the personal challenges 100%. Wasn't even trying. Relax, don't stress it, just play, and you'll get the rewards.

[Ghogiel]

Mcgral18, on 21 May 2016 - 07:16 PM, said:

At least the Prime is among the least potato...aside from using ERLLs

e he is new and can't get KMDDs so almost cetainly can't aim for ****, laser washing for days

[Ace Selin]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 07:09 PM, said:

I have an SCR-Prime and SCR-C, I dont have enough money to change them, so they are stock.

Ok, your new and if you dont have much cbills to change the mechs from stock its a tad unfortunate. I cant recall Stormcrow stock builds but they probably arent great so even slightly optimising them will help.

What timezone are you in? Im Aussie and my 3G wifi connection can be pita but i do ok so ill offer to meat shield for you if you want and if it will help you complete this tournament, ie we can drop together. If interested friend me in game and message me when you see me on if im on when you are.

Edited by Ace Selin, 21 May 2016 - 07:29 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 07:09 PM, said:

I have an SCR-Prime and SCR-C, I dont have enough money to change them, so they are stock.

Until you can afford to change them as per builds above (mine, or a Streakcrow - it uses the same -D omnipods), just sell the two ER Large Lasers (they're not very good, and quite hot), strip the Stormcrow-C, and go with something like this:SCR-PRIME That's using 100% stuff you have on your two Stormcrows.

Put the ERML's in one group (group 2, right mouse button) and the LPL another (group 1, left mouse button) so the groups correspond with your arms/mouse buttons. The weapons being focuses on either side of your mech allows you to peek out around a corner and only fire those weapons, so you don't waste heat firing at terrain with your "off side"

[Jack Rueger]

p4r4g0n, on 21 May 2016 - 07:17 PM, said:

SCR-Prime - 3 Medium Lasers on button 1, 2 Large Lasers on button 2. Fire 0.5 secs apart

SCR-C - C-Large Pulse Laser button 1, C-LB10X-AC button 2, C-Medium Pulse Lasers button 3. LB10X is good for racking up damage, do not waste ammo.

In the game client, go to the "Skills" -> Mediums -> Stormcrows -> click on Mech Tree for Stormcrow Prime and later C. Unlock Cool Run and Heat Containment if you have enough XP. If not, do it as soon as you do.

They are both leveled to basic, but I dont have enough money for the 3rd one to go past that.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Jack Rueger, on 21 May 2016 - 07:09 PM, said:

I have an SCR-Prime and SCR-C, I dont have enough money to change them, so they are stock.

Get more money. Really you shouldn't run stock loadouts often, even the trial mechs are somewhat optimized.

The Trial Arctic Cheetah can be used decently, just keep moving, don't stand infront of enemies, try to focus your damage into the enemy's center torso, preferably the rear. Also you can use jump jets to help jump on things to dodge people when up close, but don't stand on high objects when far away or you just make yourself a target. Also be sure to move in zig zags to dodge enemy fire.

For Mediums they have a Trebuchet as an LRM boat if you want to try out LRMs, though it isn't good at direct fire. The Shadow Cat is good for hitting people at mid-long range with its 2 large pulse lasers, but you have to move around a lot, reposition, jump on things, and try and keep sniping. There is also a mediocre Stormcrow build running 5 medium pulse lasers. It can do decently but isn't the best loadout out there.

With the heavies the Ebon Jaguar and Timber Wolf are the best two that are available as trial mechs. They are setup for ranged direct fire but have more damage than the Shadow Cat, but also move slower, but at least they have more armor and heatsinks too.

For trial assaults the Battlemaster and Warhawk are what I recommend. Awesome is kinda weak and an easy target and Dire Wolf moves so slow your teams will leave you behind. The Battlemaster has high hardpoints and works well at about 300m, though it can still hit people at full damage at 400 meters if it uses the large pulse lasers. The Warhawk has lower hardpoints but a longer range of 400-700m (don't fire the medium lasers on it out past 500m though).


At the lower tiers that you are in LRMs tend to be very effective. I'd recommend trying out the Trebuchet, stick with big ally mechs as they will be a scarier target than you so enemies won't shoot you as much and if they do you have a strong buddy. You'll be faster than any Assault mechs in a Trebuchet so there shouldn't be any issues keeping up. Make sure to lock on to enemies and don't fire at anyone who is over 1000m away. Cycle through your targets and hit bigger mechs, like the Kodiak first, especially close by ones. Make sure to look at your crosshairs as you fire and make sure that after you fire and you watch the LRMs move to the target see if your crosshairs turn red, this means you hit and should keep firing. If they didn't turn red then swap to another target because that one is behind hard cover or is a good dodger.