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[Jack Rueger]

beerandasmoke, on 24 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well TwinkyOverlord, the winner of the KDK-3 contest, says it needs a nerf. Thats just the KDK-3 and not the rest of the variants. I would say he is probably the closest thing we have to a KDK-3 expert. Probably be wise to listen to him. Heres the link to the reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.c...5k_leaderboard/

The problem I have with this logic, is since it was a "Kodiak weekend" he didnt have to beat the best of the best (Maulers, Black Nights, BattleMasters, etc. ) all he had to do was outplay the other Kodiaks, which like most other clan mechs (some after much nerfage) are squishy. I think in a diverse field of all the best mechs with equal players the Kodiak would be strong, but not OP.

Twinky showed his best games but those games could have been against all T3 potatoes, who knows?

In my limited experience it feels like clan mechs are all under powered, so when one that is actually competitive comes along, the potatoes cry.

Edited by Jack Rueger, 25 May 2016 - 01:52 PM.

[JigglyMoobs]

The kdk3 is not squishy. The parts of it that are behind the terrain have infinite hit points.

The parts of it that you can't see because all the dakka hitting you in the face have greatly increased hit points.

In the hands of a good player the entire mech is made out of those two types of parts.

It is only possible on the Kodiak 3 because the dakka mounts are as high up on its body as a frickin hunchback's

[Hit the Deck]

Mystere, on 25 May 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

Easily killing and evading them means they're not the Overpowered Devil's Spawn people claim them to be?

I still fear Stalkers more.

You fear Stalkers more in your Jenners? It gets more confusing.... I don't know if KDK-3 is an OP devil's spawn but it has good qualities which puts it above the rest.

You had known before release that KDK-3 has a set of good traits which are: high mounts, 4B+E, high space capacity, and the ability to mount a big engine. Its potential downside is the hitboxes but you couldn't know the distribution before release. Based on the known factors, it shouldn't have come with positive quirks because it seems already too good to be positively quirked. Now you could argue that the KDK-3, for example, should keep its positive quirks because the hitboxes are bad for example, but that's another thing entirely.


EDIT: grammar is hard

Edited by Hit the Deck, 25 May 2016 - 05:12 PM.

[Darth Hotz]

Jack Rueger, on 25 May 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

The problem I have with this logic, is since it was a "Kodiak weekend" he didnt have to beat the best of the best (Maulers, Black Nights, BattleMasters, etc. ) all he had to do was outplay the other Kodiaks, which like most other clan mechs (some after much nerfage) are squishy. I think in a diverse field of all the best mechs with equal players the Kodiak would be strong, but not OP.

Twinky showed his best games but those games could have been against all T3 potatoes, who knows?

In my limited experience it feels like clan mechs are all under powered, so when one that is actually competitive comes along, the potatoes cry.

The arrogant tone of many forumwarriors seems to reach a peak. Hope you people realize that without the players you are calling "potatoes", "onions", "underhivelings" or whatever insult is just trendy, this game would be dead and the servers shut down already.

Is the winner of the KDK 3 leaderboard also a "potato"? Because in his reddit thread he argues in favor of nerfing the KDK 3, so he must be an onion too.

Now dont come again and claim that it was just the big weight on the battlefield that made him reach a top score like noone before. If this would be a valid argument, all Kodiaks should have had similar scores in the event. But that is not the case. The KDK 3 variant outclasses all of the others by far.

So who are the real potatoes here? The players that point out the fact that there is a certain mech type being above and beyond any others. Or the players that dont want their new precious toy to be brought in line with other mechs and insist that double tapping the mouse ten times for 800 damage is skill?

[AssaultPig]

the spirit bear is fine as it is

the KDK-3 could be 'fixed' just by adding a bit more ghost heat to 3+ UAC10s; it's already pretty hot (and prone to accidental spikes when double-tapping) and probably wouldn't take a big nudge to push people toward other builds.

[Jackal Noble]

the same could be said for the 5 or 4 ac5 mauler

[beerandasmoke]

Darth Hotz, on 25 May 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

The arrogant tone of many forumwarriors seems to reach a peak. Hope you people realize that without the players you are calling "potatoes", "onions", "underhivelings" or whatever insult is just trendy, this game would be dead and the servers shut down already.

Is the winner of the KDK 3 leaderboard also a "potato"? Because in his reddit thread he argues in favor of nerfing the KDK 3, so he must be an onion too.

Now dont come again and claim that it was just the big weight on the battlefield that made him reach a top score like noone before. If this would be a valid argument, all Kodiaks should have had similar scores in the event. But that is not the case. The KDK 3 variant outclasses all of the others by far.

So who are the real potatoes here? The players that point out the fact that there is a certain mech type being above and beyond any others. Or the players that dont want their new precious toy to be brought in line with other mechs and insist that double tapping the mouse ten times for 800 damage is skill?

This right here. I simply posted a link where Twinky describes his experience in the KDK-3. Next thing you know people are screeching about potatoes because they want to keep their crutch. There are several other good players such as Solahma, McGraul, and Kaffeangst who say that the KDK-3 needs a nerf. ZOMG though they must be potatoes because anyone who disagrees with a slight balancing to the KDK-3 must be a potato that got farmed during the event. The only way Twinkie got that score over 100 games is he must have been against potato tier3 scrubs. LOL its just mindboggling to hear this stupid ****. I seriously doubt if Twinkie or any other top comp player gets thrown into games with all tier 3 "potatoes" as the idiots in this thread like to spout over and over again. It must be potatoes because any mech that can spit out a 80 point alpha from high mounted hardpoints at the same time being as maneuverable as a heavy is perfectly balanced.

BTW here is a direct quote from Twinkie when confronted with this ********
No matter how blunt I put it, people still can't seem to wrap their mind around the logic. Oh a guy from arguably the best team in MWO is telling me something is imbalanced? **** that dude, he doesn't know **** about this game. I'm going to argue for ******* hours about the flaws in his logic and use ancient tournaments as weak *** references about the topic.

[Mystere]

Hit the Deck, on 25 May 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

You fear Stalkers more in your Jenners?

It's a psychological thing.

[Belacose]

beerandasmoke, on 24 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well TwinkyOverlord, the winner of the KDK-3 contest, says it needs a nerf. Thats just the KDK-3 and not the rest of the variants. I would say he is probably the closest thing we have to a KDK-3 expert. Probably be wise to listen to him. Heres the link to the reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.c...5k_leaderboard/

Seems I read a post from someone who said they were in game with this Twinky fellow and while spectating through his Kodiak 3 cockpit he saw quad UAC 10s and 2 X PPC? Is this truly Twinky's loadout, because if so then he must have downgraded his engine big time. Has Twinky ever posted his build?

Was he running with an elite support group or simply pugging it during the competition? Also, does he normally play clan mechs and in particular Ghost Bear mechs? Wondering if there would be any biases in his wanting the Kodiak 3 nerfed?

[Belacose]

Guess I should have actually read the reddit thread before making my above post. Dude claims he just ran with 4 X UAC 10s. Could have sworn somebody said he also had 2 x PPC, but that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

Carry on.

[MischiefSC]

It was all pug queue and uac10s. Multiple comp tier players posted there as well, all in agreement.

Concensus being it needs all its quirks removed on the 3, possibly a nerf. Ideal would be moving hardpoints down like they did on Banshee and Mauler.

Edited by MischiefSC, 25 May 2016 - 05:48 PM.

[Belacose]

Just as a wild guess I would think that clan players would like the Kodiak 3 to stay as is and IS pilots would want it nerfed?

Isn't the overall consensus that IS regularly beats up on clan mechs? If so then wouldn't the Kodiak 3 help to bring some balance to Faction Play, or would it simply be better to nerf IS mechs?

[1453 R]

Darth Hotz, on 25 May 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

Or the players that dont want their new precious toy to be brought in line with other mechs and insist that double tapping the mouse ten times for 800 damage is skill?

beerandasmoke, on 25 May 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

ZOMG though they must be potatoes because anyone who disagrees with a slight balancing to the KDK-3 must be a potato that got farmed during the event.

I think the issue is less that everyone is 'potatos', as you claim, and more that nobody is really arguing for 'bringing the KDK-3 in line' or 'a slight balancing'.

You guys are...well, sorta kinna clamoring for an extinction-level event to hit the entire chassis, including the KDK-1 and KDK-5. I've honestly, legitimately seen people claim that -30% movement quirks, or -25% ballistic refire/range quirks, would be justified on not just the KDK-3, but ACROSS ALL KODIAK VARIANTS.


Doesn't that seem...just a little bit harsh? Especially considering the AS7-S gets every inch of the KDK's maneuverability quirks while also getting six different 10+% weapon quirks and also 150 extra points of structure, plus two additional hardpoints over its nearest KDK competitor (Spirit Bear)? Yeah, the AS7-S is a pretty dedicated brawler, but so is the Spirit Bear, as well as any useful configuration of the KDK-4 and most semi-worthwhile builds on the KDK-1.

Why do those things need to get blown to Jupiter because the KDK-3 is potentially overperforming?

Edited by 1453 R, 25 May 2016 - 05:58 PM.

[Belacose]

Is Twinky clan, IS or merc?

[Hit the Deck]

Belacose, on 25 May 2016 - 05:56 PM, said:

Just as a wild guess I would think that clan players would like the Kodiak 3 to stay as is and IS pilots would want it nerfed?

Isn't the overall consensus that IS regularly beats up on clan mechs? If so then wouldn't the Kodiak 3 help to bring some balance to Faction Play, or would it simply be better to nerf IS mechs?

I guess there are very little players which are loyal to only one side, i.e. role players. More 'Mechs is a good thing so there's no reason to limit your collection to just IS or Clan 'Mechs in this game.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

Belacose, on 25 May 2016 - 05:35 PM, said:

Seems I read a post from someone who said they were in game with this Twinky fellow and while spectating through his Kodiak 3 cockpit he saw quad UAC 10s and 2 X PPC? Is this truly Twinky's loadout, because if so then he must have downgraded his engine big time. Has Twinky ever posted his build?

Quad 10+2ERPPC isn't mountable on a DWF. You'd require suicidal tendencies and you'd have a heat efficiency that could better be described as slightly better than the surface of the sun to build it on a Kodiak. You're probably thinking of quad uac/5 + 2ERPPC.

Belacose, on 25 May 2016 - 05:35 PM, said:

Was he running with an elite support group or simply pugging it during the competition? Also, does he normally play clan mechs and in particular Ghost Bear mechs? Wondering if there would be any biases in his wanting the Kodiak 3 nerfed?

He's a comp player. He has "an elite support group". Only he can answer the part about bias, though.

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Personally, I think the Kodiak 3 can have its quirks removed after the hitboxes are re-done. They're not OP, they just have a combination of speed and firepower that was not achievable before (it IS powercreep, but it's due to speed and mounts, and not due to the weapons themselves.)

Edited by Keshav Murali, 25 May 2016 - 06:24 PM.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

Jack Rueger, on 25 May 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

The problem I have with this logic, is since it was a "Kodiak weekend" he didnt have to beat the best of the best (Maulers, Black Nights, BattleMasters, etc. ) all he had to do was outplay the other Kodiaks, which like most other clan mechs (some after much nerfage) are squishy.

Don't forget mah Banshee!! *WUBBING INTENSIFIES*

[MischiefSC]

So by that logic if I play a wubshee right now or a Mauler I should be getting 1k fames2? Because people are playing other assaults and not getting over 1k games as consistently.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

I got 940 dmg once yesterday in an energy Awesome, if that counts.

Seriously speaking however, the MAL-MX90 and the BNC-3M should easily be performing as well as the KDK-3. GMan took his dakka DWF out for a spin after getting high dmg scores in KDK-3, and guess what happened??

He did 1400 dmg.

https://www.reddit.c..._1_and_the_mwo/

So, yeah, KDK-3 *might* be better, but the other "T1" assaults shouldn't be having issues doing lots of damage.

[Vxheous]

MischiefSC, on 25 May 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

So by that logic if I play a wubshee right now or a Mauler I should be getting 1k fames2? Because people are playing other assaults and not getting over 1k games as consistently.

I get about the same scores with my Banshee and Mauler MX90 as I do with my Quad UAC10 Kodiak 3. I actually shelved my Kodiaks during the weekend and played my Banshee when I wasn't levelling my Warhammers.

My KDR in those 3 Assaults are all ~2.5, and W/L are all ~2.1. Banshee has the largest sample size with 207 quickplay games vs 35 in Mauler and 25 in Kodiak 3.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 25 May 2016 - 07:24 PM.