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[Garfuncle]

So the IICs and the Kodiak have given the Clans battlemechs with clan tech, making them some of the most versatile chassis in the game.

IS, at this point, should be coming out with their reverse-engineered Omnis:

Owens Light Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Owens

Strider Medium Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Strider

Avatar Heavy Omnimech:http://www.sarna.net...vatar_(OmniMech) Link broken, search Avatar (Omnimech) In Sarna

Sunder: Assault Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sunder

These mechs would even the field in terms of Omni vs Battle 'mechs between the two tech bases.

Edited by Garfuncle, 28 June 2016 - 01:00 PM.

[Metus regem]

Garfuncle, on 28 June 2016 - 12:52 PM, said:

So the IICs and the Kodiak have given the Clans battlemechs with clan tech, making them some of the most versatile chassis in the game.

IS, at this point, should be coming out with their reverse-engineered Omnis:

Owens Light Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Owens

Strider Medium Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Strider

Oh gods no... both are limited to SHS...

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Avatar Heavy Omnimech:http://www.sarna.net...atar_(OmniMech)

Sunder: Assault Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sunder

These mechs would even the field in terms of Omni vs Battle 'mechs between the two tech bases.

Going by the official art work, the Sunder and Avatar both suffer from the condition known as "Awesomeitus" more locally known as Barn-door syndrome. Not to mention they both make use of the IS-XL engine, so that combined with Awesomeitus would make them death-traps, at least with out some serious rework by Alex and the modelers....

[Y E O N N E]

Why would you even consider proposing the Owens when the Raptor is both senior and vastly superior to it?

[Metus regem]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 June 2016 - 01:02 PM, said:

Why would you even consider proposing the Owens when the Raptor is both senior and vastly superior to it?

I'm guessing they were looking at the weight? Maybe they were thinking that the Owens being 35t would mean that it would be better than the Raptor at 25t?

[Moonlight Grimoire]

I would love to see all four of these mechs in the game, the main issue I see is that if we keep the rules of Endo, Ferro, JJ's, and Heatsink type locked to what is canon the Strider and Owens are going to be in a very bad place without some really good heat generation and dissipation quirks due to they would be locked into standard heat sinks. The Owens would be sitting around 10 tons of pod space which that is a bit under a third of the weight which works, would be nicer with endo turned on so it actually uses some of those critslots. The Strider would have around 11.5 tons of pod space on the 40 ton chassis which works as well, but, only a forth of the weight of the mech, some armor stripping would put it up to 12ish tons.

Avatar and Sunder are good as is, would need same love as the Awesome where it is barrel chested so you can just torso twist into fire instead of having your different torso bits easily blown apart. The XL's on all of them are IS XL's which make them need the ability to easily spread damage.

As for the Raptor? Raptor would do well, can take half of it's weight in pod space, has endo and double heat sinks natively, and gives a 25 tonner to the game, so it would be nice, but, not as iconic as the Owens.

As for the Owens I love the little bugger due to MW4:Mercs and MRM's it is silly stupid fun, but, it needs some love to work in MWO.

Edited by Moonlight Grimoire, 28 June 2016 - 01:06 PM.

[Garfuncle]

Looking at the Raptor is indeed better...but Owens is Mechwarrior 3? Yeah I know that's nostalgia talking...>.>

[CK16]

Argus probably better choice than the Avatar. Hauptmann over Sunder probably as well.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Argus
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hauptmann

Edited by CK16, 28 June 2016 - 01:07 PM.

[Coralld]

Garfuncle, on 28 June 2016 - 12:52 PM, said:

So the IICs and the Kodiak have given the Clans battlemechs with clan tech, making them some of the most versatile chassis in the game.

IS, at this point, should be coming out with their reverse-engineered Omnis:

Owens Light Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Owens

Strider Medium Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Strider

Avatar Heavy Omnimech:http://www.sarna.net...vatar_(OmniMech) Link broken, search Avatar (Omnimech) In Sarna

Sunder: Assault Omnimech: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sunder

These mechs would even the field in terms of Omni vs Battle 'mechs between the two tech bases.

I can see all of them doing reasonably well... Perhaps not the Strider, but the Owens, Avatar, and Sunder have potential.

[Metus regem]

Coralld, on 28 June 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

I can see all of them doing reasonably well... Perhaps not the Strider, but the Owens, Avatar, and Sunder have potential.

Owen-Prime

That does not give me much hope for it being good.....

[Juodas Varnas]

CK16, on 28 June 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Argus probably better choice than the Avatar. Hauptmann over Sunder probably as well.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Argus
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hauptmann

Argus isn't an omnimech.

(It was originally supposed to be an omnimech, but was rejected and remade as a standard battlemech)
I do, however, absolutely LOVE the Argus. It's a great looking mech, probably my favorite bipedal mech.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 28 June 2016 - 01:15 PM.

[Coralld]

Metus regem, on 28 June 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Oh gods no... both are limited to SHS...





Going by the official art work, the Sunder and Avatar both suffer from the condition known as "Awesomeitus" more locally known as Barn-door syndrome. Not to mention they both make use of the IS-XL engine, so that combined with Awesomeitus would make them death-traps, at least with out some serious rework by Alex and the modelers....

Your right with the Owens having issues because of SHS. As for the Avatar and Sunder, they are actually not that wide.
Plus they stand to be very small given how volumetric scaling works thanks to them both being very barrel like.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Metus regem, on 28 June 2016 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm guessing they were looking at the weight? Maybe they were thinking that the Owens being 35t would mean that it would be better than the Raptor at 25t?

Well the Owens would be better competition if it didn't have SHS. The locked TAG/C3/BAP don't really help much in this game either.

[CK16]

Juodas Varnas, on 28 June 2016 - 01:13 PM, said:

Argus isn't an omnimech.

(It was originally supposed to be an omnimech, but was rejected and remade as a standard battlemech)
I do, however, absolutely LOVE the Argus. It's a great looking mech, probably my favorite bipedal mech.

Curse you MW4 you lied to me again!

Fair enough, could have sworn though lol.

On the topic of Clan knock offs anyone?
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rakshasa

[IdolElite]

I'm good, I'd rather they focus on battlemechs, much more fun to play with.

Also, there's still a ton left to do.

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 28 June 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

Well the Owens would be better competition if it didn't have SHS. The locked TAG/C3/BAP don't really help much in this game either.

True, but if they unlock IS Omni's then they would need to do that for Clan ones too... rules need to be applied to both sides, not one or the other.

Coralld, on 28 June 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

Your right with the Owens having issues because of SHS. As for the Avatar and Sunder, they are actually not that wide.
Plus they stand to be very small given how volumetric scaling works thanks to them both being very barrel like.

The Sunder could be wider, due to it being 90t (with a locked IS-XL360)....

[Moonlight Grimoire]

CK16, on 28 June 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

On the topic of Clan knock offs anyone?
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rakshasa

A member of my unit would throw a few hundred dollars at that... thing, though, seen some redo's of the art by fans and it looks a lot better. Let me get a link http://bishopsteiner...shasa-417894745.


Since the Rakshasa is a modified Marauder to copy the Timberwolf it would be neat. As it is, back to IS Omni's.

While the Raptor would be better performing than the Owens, the Owens is, at least in my circle, more well known and thus desired. I would just hope PGI takes the time to either give it DHS or massive cooling buffs. Due to all mechs start with the same heat capacity of 50 heat and then get more based on heat sinks, cooling is what is most affected by double or single heatsinks. Due to this single heat sinks might not be a death sentence, but, it would be a serious lowering of the skill cap that the mech would have without some massive cooling quirks, which would give an interesting dynamic to how it would play, but, I would prefer DHS's instead. Also C3 isn't a thing in MWO from what we have seen and I don't know of a mech that is omni with bap normally that has it as fixed equipment.

Edit to add: NVM, started going through omni's in the game atm and saw that yes they do have locked in bap and stuff like that, though it was only DHS and JJ's, nope, also bap. So yeah, would love if PGI un-did fixed equipment for omni's in general as well as JJ's (as the rules say on TT), would help a lot of under-performing 'mechs and help future omni's from suffering the same problem.

Edited by Moonlight Grimoire, 28 June 2016 - 01:49 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Metus regem, on 28 June 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

True, but if they unlock IS Omni's then they would need to do that for Clan ones too... rules need to be applied to both sides, not one or the other.

IS get one free unlock on one Omni since the Clans got one for the Adder.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Metus regem, on 28 June 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

True, but if they unlock IS Omni's then they would need to do that for Clan ones too... rules need to be applied to both sides, not one or the other.

Pretty sure I'd be ok with that, since it gimps mechs for unnecessary "reasons"

Yeonne Greene, on 28 June 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

IS get one free unlock on one Omni since the Clans got one for the Adder.

That would only get the TAG unlocked on the Owens under PGI's logic.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 28 June 2016 - 01:38 PM.

[zachyattacky]

I would love to see these mechs regardless of how well they fit into the meta, good classic omnimechs. Would preorder for sure.

[Coralld]

Metus regem, on 28 June 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

True, but if they unlock IS Omni's then they would need to do that for Clan ones too... rules need to be applied to both sides, not one or the other.




The Sunder could be wider, due to it being 90t (with a locked IS-XL360)....

They can unlock the TAG like they did with the Adders Flamer.

I don't think so, look at the Dire, that thing is 100t and rather compact. Now imagen a mech 10t lighter with larger fat arms... It would be as tall as the Dire, perhaps a little more, but it would not be anywhere near as wise.
The Avatar will probably be around a similar size as the Pult.