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[Malcolm Vordermark]

Husker Dude, on 01 July 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

Yeah, the only real problem I have with Scouting mode is how unforgiving it is due to 4 v 4. If you just have the one guy on your team who decides they are going to do their own thing, either by taking a bad build or just running off on their own, it can sink the whole team. I'd rather drop solo in the Invasion queue than the Scout queue.

That is a team play issue and not directly related to streak crows. People running off and getting killed, or bringing bad builds, is a problem in every game mode.

[C E Dwyer]

windermere, on 30 June 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

legs on stormcrows was valid before whatever the last patch was a few days ago. Try it now... it's no longer a valid option.

Since when ? I see no buff on the patch notes, of the 21st only clan changes were on the Nova

Rouken Vordermark, on 01 July 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

That is a team play issue and not directly related to streak crows. People running off and getting killed, or bringing bad builds, is a problem in every game mode.

Only issue I have with scouting is how easy it is to win it for the attackers, unless the attacking players are very dumb

[Mazzyplz]

i heard people shoot them with griffin with 4xsrm6 and 2 medlasers or 2 medpulses. you can put jumpjets on that mech.


i tried it but i didnt like it. what i drive instead is a kintaro with 4xsrm6, 1 LL and 1 srm4 in ct. it does waaay more damage.
to hell with jumpjets

[Void Angel]

Northern Nomad, on 30 June 2016 - 05:36 PM, said:

I've played 5 scouting matches today, lost every single one to a 0/4 rout.

99% of the mechs I'm seeing are streak fit Stormcrows.

How do you counter these? Everything 55 tons and down seems to die basically instantly to two of them.

Bring men's guns and shoot them in the legs. They can blast you with a bunch of randomly-placed damage - so what? Just blast them with deliberately-placed damage. They might kill a guy or two, but you'll mow through them. Load up in something like a Griffon with SRMs, or something with speed and a big AC. I use a Shadowhawk with an AC/10 and three SRM/4s. Just use your voice chat to focus fire and blast them - it's that simple. Unless you're duplicating the random hit locations of the Streaks with your own carelessness, you'll be fine.

[Malystryx VoF]

streak crows are pretty OP in scouting. if you have 4 streak crows, all it takes to win is focus fire and all alpha at the same time. 1 alpha from 4 crows = 1 dead mech each time (thats c-ssrm 120 to 1 mech each volley, how many mediums and lights will survive streak 120??? none). Whole battle can be over very quick, and i see this being done very often now (yes even by experienced players).

don't believe me how OP they are? here is a video of me in just 1 streak crow with unorganized random pugs.

Edited by Malystryx VoF, 01 July 2016 - 11:45 AM.

[Mazzyplz]

this;



anything that griffin has that kintaro doesn't it makes up for in firepower. though you can downgrade the srm4 for a srm2 and put an extra heatsink there too.

[Void Angel]

Malystryx VoF, on 01 July 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

streak crows are pretty OP in scouting. if you have 4 streak crows, all it takes to win is focus fire and all alpha at the same time. 1 alpha from 4 crows = 1 dead mech each time (thats c-ssrm 120 to 1 mech each volley, how many mediums and lights will survive streak 120??? none). Whole battle can be over very quick, and i see this being done very often now (yes even by experienced players).

don't believe me how OP they are? here is a video of me in just 1 streak crow with unorganized random pugs.

You killed stupid people in bad builds who turned their backs, shut down in front of you, and didn't focus fire until it was too late, while your team blasted their legs out from under them - that's not the streak crow working, and they still took out half of your team, despite their ineptitude.

Specially selected anecdotal evidence is not proof.

[Mole]

I refuse to do scouting missions for Kurita or any other Inner Sphere power until the issue of skillcrow spam in scouting is addressed. I've despised skillcrows since before scouting was even an idea in Russ's nutsack and the fact that there is a game mode that they are just dominating right now is pitiful and disgraceful. I'm not normally a proponent of the kinds of heavy handed nerfing that Paul is so fond of but the skillcrow is about the one thing in this game that I hate so damn much that I would be laughing like a maniac if they got slammed with the nerfbat so hard that they were completely and utterly broken to the point of anyone trying to boat streaks is just suicidal.

[Void Angel]

Have you tried murdering them? Because they're fun to murder...

[Malystryx VoF]

Void Angel, on 01 July 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

You killed stupid people in bad builds who turned their backs, shut down in front of you, and didn't focus fire until it was too late, while your team blasted their legs out from under them - that's not the streak crow working, and they still took out half of your team, despite their ineptitude.

Specially selected anecdotal evidence is not proof.

lol. nice one calling other pilots stupid people. Almost makes everything you write after carry no weight and not wroth reading with such language.
anyway. yes this does show how OP they are. our team was unorganized, and they did focus fire on the first SCR as you can see in the video, that's how i positioned behind them and took them out pretty easy.
Yes that is the streak crow working. it's easy as hell. SSRM's don't miss. you fire and they hit. easy as pie (yes easy mode as hell, and good pilots still use them).

alll ya need is 4 SCR's with ssrm 30 to alpha once, and any mech is done.

[Nomex 99]

Northern Nomad, on 30 June 2016 - 05:36 PM, said:

I've played 5 scouting matches today, lost every single one to a 0/4 rout.
99% of the mechs I'm seeing are streak fit Stormcrows.

Northern Nomad, on 30 June 2016 - 05:36 PM, said:

How do you counter these?

Alt+F4

[MischiefSC]

Void Angel, on 01 July 2016 - 11:42 AM, said:

Bring men's guns and shoot them in the legs. They can blast you with a bunch of randomly-placed damage - so what? Just blast them with deliberately-placed damage. They might kill a guy or two, but you'll mow through them. Load up in something like a Griffon with SRMs, or something with speed and a big AC. I use a Shadowhawk with an AC/10 and three SRM/4s. Just use your voice chat to focus fire and blast them - it's that simple. Unless you're duplicating the random hit locations of the Streaks with your own carelessness, you'll be fine.

I do 2xac5, 3xsrm2. That range and speed is brutal. Kill Griffins and cripple Scrows before they're in brawling range.

Admittedly we scouted IS v IS so long in Davion we got used to legging griffins. I find them really fragile. The prefer the Shad, you just learn to work the range and accuracy with the accelerated ac5s and then at close range the fast firing ac2s are like a sand blaster.

[Steve Pryde]

Take a medium and aim for legs. It's that simple.

[MischiefSC]

Steve Pryde, on 01 July 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:

Take a medium and aim for legs. It's that simple.

Again, problem isn't skilled 4man vs skilled 4man. In pug matches 4 skillcrows just have to get a lock and fire to do max damage. Any scrub can build a skillcrows. To combat it you need a couple of select mechs and you need to be able to actually aim to hit legs consistently.

It's never been about skilled teams not beating skillcrows. It's always been pug v pug. Tell you what, let's drop scouting tonnage to 45. See what happens. When Clans get face rolled in scouting non-stop pug v pug and play every invasion match under LT we can talk about how it's actually just fine you just have to being build X exclusively and do exactly Y to have good odds of winning. Unless the other team does A, B or C instead.

I have no issue with crows. However when I play clans running an SRM Scrow, even pugging, is like printing and free money. You don't even have to skillcrows- all the bads you pug with do and it takes their performance from terrible to mediocre. There is no equivalent build for IS - no way to hand a bad player mediocre performance with no real effort.

That's the issue. It breaks the averages by glossing Clan terribads to mediocre.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Also, keep in mind that streaks target random locations on a mech. You can find the exact percentages to target a location here: http://mwomercs.com/...23-16-jul-2013/

Suffice it to say each spots is around 15%. In a brawl against mediums you should really be going for legs. That means 70% of a streak crows damage goes off to less effective areas.

The usual Griffin 3M brawler has higher dps than the streak crow. The streak crow will need to chew through about 300 damage before it starts doing significant internal damage. Where as the Griffin only needs to get through about 150 total hit points to double leg a storm crow.

Stick together, aim at legs, if you hit better than 50% of your shots you should win.

[Vonbach]

How do you counter Skill crows? Easy don't play FW until PGI nerfs them.

[AssaultPig]

I've been running around on a 9xspla hunch 4P for a little bit, and it's pretty easy to 1v1 a streakcrow and have plenty of armor left to keep fighting.

I mean yeah, if you run into four enemies solo you're gonna die pretty quick, but that's hardly an issue unique to streaks (or even storm crows.)

[Davegt27]

2 ECM will shut down streaks (unless things have changed I been away for awhile)

[WANTED]

Forget the Streakcrows, how do you counter the new Clan brawl meta in the form of the HunchieIIc? Been getting hammered by them by units, not the easy to leg streak crows

[Mystere]

Northern Nomad, on 30 June 2016 - 06:38 PM, said:

Yeah, but twenty seconds into the fight it will be 3v4, then 2v4.. etc. You're losing mechs too quickly to win.

I'm not a bad player, my KDR is 1.61, but I have yet to win a scouting match today, so far I've played ten.

FYI, KDR is not the relevant stat to look at.