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[cazidin]

Are we still debating this? I thought we arrived to the conclusion of "No. The House Always Wins, and hey, new House of Cards!"

[Dee Eight]

This was one of three i earned yesterday I just opened, the other two were straight 250k cbill awards. So 75MC of keys for 4.5 million cbills.

This one was a couple months ago.

Edited by Dee Eight, 27 January 2017 - 02:37 PM.

[Skabs]

JusticarAB, on 12 August 2016 - 12:26 PM, said:

I just opened 23 supply caches... and here is what resulted in.

mostly cbill purchased items like
6x srm6
1x srm4
6x cbills 250,000
2x ac-5
2x begles things
1x lrm20
3x ac2

mc purches only

1x lucky cat
1x 10 airstrike priority

thing i noticed. IT'S RIGGED.

every time it was about to land on a prime time or mech, or something cool.. it "barely" skips to the next... which turns out to be the worst item in the cache 90% of the time. or it does the opposite, meaning it comfortably lands on the crappy one.

in conclusion

low blow on MWO to make this seems like an even chance of winning something, and turns out to be heavily rigged. thes caches came with the stock sale, but i still feel like i wasted my money.

I agree 100%
It's a TRAP...dont open pandora's box *get rid of it* that illusionary mech prize hallucination shall overcome your senses as you inhale the intoxicating meth vapor hiding inside... mmmmm-moneyyy spennnnd.....

[Dee Eight]

Skabs, on 29 January 2017 - 12:24 AM, said:

I agree 100%
It's a TRAP...dont open pandora's box *get rid of it* that illusionary mech prize hallucination shall overcome your senses as you inhale the intoxicating meth vapor hiding inside... mmmmm-moneyyy spennnnd.....

It helps if you know the secret in the opening mechanism to get better results.

[Dee Eight]

Reminder...if you're sitting on a pile of caches, with the impending skill tree change in 2 weeks during the Feb 21st patch, you'll want to open all the ones with lots of module opportunities as PGI will be exchanging your module inventory for FULL price values of them in cbills. Even if you have to spend MC for keys, you're really going to want the cbills more than the MC when it comes to buying skill nodes. I just opened two I earned tonight and got 100MC and a speed retention module (worth 6 million cbills).

[Dee Eight]

Latest batch opening of 11 crates...I did a dozen last week and got a mech bay and a bear tooth hanging item as the highlights. Started this batch with another mech bay but #8 was a nicer one.

#1 Mech bay
#2 NVA-B Right torso
#3 Small Laser x 2
#4 C-ER-PPC
#5 250,000 C-bills
#6 100,000 C-bills
#7 Medium Pulse laser x 2
#8 Radar Deprivation Module
#9 SRM6 x 4
#10 NVA-A Right arm
#11 100,000 C-bills

So...2 rares, 1 uncommon, 8 commons. Cost to open 275MC of keys... MC value of the mech bay 300... so I'm ahead 25MC right there.The module is worth 6 million refund. 450k in cbills. The nova pods would normally cost 229,465 each and are useful as I do own novas. The PPC costs 600k. The other weapons cost a combined 925k and they're all ones I do use quite regularly in builds. No mechs though again and five of the caches had the mech teaser.

[cazidin]

I think that the answer is still "No".

[jackswift]

For those who have lots of c bills and duplicates of weapons, etc. - probably not. For a player like me who doesn't have a lot of either and has to shift weapons between mechs, certainly worth it as long as I am ok with getting anything there. That's where I made it worth it, I opened it only if I was ok with getting the common and uncommons even if it was the rare/semirare ones I wanted.

[R Valentine]

No. The odds are deliberately stacked against you. Unless you get one of those rare caches that is packed with only good items, just take the 50,000 c-bill bonus.

[CJ Daxion]

I opened 10 crates the other day... because i got my mech on my IS account, so i thought i would see how my luck was rolling that day on this account.. Guess it was good.. Wish i made a video.. But you can take my word for it, this is what i got on 10 opens.. I can take a screenie of the premium if you like.. (added on to the 3 days that instant activated when i logged into the account, i ended up with 8 days total!) Guess you can tell i'm playing clans for the next week

250k C-bills
250k C-bills
50 MC
50 MC
2 Clan large pulse
3 days premium
1 day premium
1 day premium
2X SRM 2
Clan AMS


House did NOT win!!!

Kiran Yagami, on 27 March 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

No. The odds are deliberately stacked against you. Unless you get one of those rare caches that is packed with only good items, just take the 50,000 c-bill bonus.

Out of the 100+ cashes i have opened, i only got under 50k c-bills a couple of times.. the rest, i typically average about 200-250k in value.. and that is sold value, Often i keep stuff so it makes the value even higher, but i only count Sold values when calculating the value i was rewarded.

[R Valentine]

CJ Daxion, on 27 March 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

Out of the 100+ cashes i have opened, i only got under 50k c-bills a couple of times.. the rest, i typically average about 200-250k in value.. and that is sold value, Often i keep stuff so it makes the value even higher, but i only count Sold values when calculating the value i was rewarded.

Only the 50,000 c-bill doesn't cost you a lick of MC. If all I got was 150,000 c-bills in weapons for spending MC I'd be livid. MC is the one and only way to get mech bays, so wasting it on "well, you might get 200,000k or so" is unthinkable.

[HGAK47]

I used to be a Supply Cache Adventurer like you, then I took a Flamer to the knee.

[Dee Eight]

Yes but again.. those of us who aren't hurting for mech bays..don't care about MC micro transactions costing us mech bays. As I stated above... 20 keys bought.. = 450 MC... caches opened awarded me 2 mech bays. Just buying 2 mech bays would have been 600 MC. I currently have 24 empty bays over and above the 226 occupied by mechs. I think I'm set for this year for bays. If I REALLY need bays...a locust mastery bundle is $13 and gets me 3 bays, premium time, and 3 mechs I can sell for about around 5 million cbills.

[R Valentine]

Dee Eight, on 27 March 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

Yes but again.. those of us who aren't hurting for mech bays..don't care about MC micro transactions costing us mech bays. As I stated above... 20 keys bought.. = 450 MC... caches opened awarded me 2 mech bays. Just buying 2 mech bays would have been 600 MC. I currently have 24 empty bays over and above the 226 occupied by mechs. I think I'm set for this year for bays. If I REALLY need bays...a locust mastery bundle is $13 and gets me 3 bays, premium time, and 3 mechs I can sell for about around 5 million cbills.

Which is by no means a guarantee. You can just as easily spend 1000 MC and never get a single mech, mech bay, or MC reward.

[rook]

I just when thru mine, with the key's that I had and bough some extra keys, just to see what would happen. Had a total of about 35 cashes to open. I wound up with a mech bay and a bunch of 50MC rewards, which ended up being a wash for MC. Plus whatever crap I got (I think like a med L, ERPPC, C-LL, and some GXP). Nothing really worth it...

[CJ Daxion]

Kiran Yagami, on 27 March 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

Only the 50,000 c-bill doesn't cost you a lick of MC. If all I got was 150,000 c-bills in weapons for spending MC I'd be livid. MC is the one and only way to get mech bays, so wasting it on "well, you might get 200,000k or so" is unthinkable.

well if all you got was 150k per.. It would still be the BEST MC to C-bill value in the game.. So when i am averaging close to 250k, Seams like a much better deal.. Especially seeing i get lots of that MC i use on keys for free. Free MC = Free Key

SO i could use all that saved MC.. 750MC on a weekend, or 2500 MC on a month, Or save it for a single mech on sale.. Or i can use it on random crates and banked around 20m in parts and pieces to date. , I've also gotten 6 bays total, and premium time. But even then while i am closing in on opening 100 crates, i did not spend 2500 MC on keys, i think i bought a little over half of them, so 1250 about.


To this date... on my opened crates i have gotten enough premium and mech bays that it would of cost me more than i spent on keys to get the same amount of premium+bays.


So let me say this again.. Had i just bought the Bays and premium for my "won MC" Id not have the nearly 20m+ in parts too.

How exactly is that bad for the player? Namely me? Sure my Vet account doesn't get as much out of them, maybe it would if i played both clans and IS on it, But my clan account it has certainly help with boosting it a bit for the peanuts in free MC.. But honestly if i need to spend 7 bucks to open another 50 crates over the next 6 months, i will.. Besides i'll get a free loyalty mech on top of it.

All i see is win... the only loss i see is 50k in a sold crate.. If you used a single consumable that match, call it break even. But hey, if you are happy with 50k per crate.. Oky.. I'll take my 200k-250k+ per with my MC thanks..

I will say if you play enough that you are getting 100 crates a month, it is probably not worth it. But if you are the average joe like me, that play about 500 hours per year, and get about 10-15 crates a month, they are a darn nice bonus.

Edited by CJ Daxion, 27 March 2017 - 12:17 PM.

[Dee Eight]

Next batch to open, nine caches...

#1 Expected worse case C-LRM-15.... got... double helix cockpit item
#2 Worse case...C-AMS....got....1 day premium time
#3 worse case...small laser x 2 (and there are four commons total)...got.... AC/20
#4 worse case...large laser....got... C-Lrg Pulse Laser x 2
#5 worse case... large laser....got....gauss rifle
#6 worse case.... med pulse laser x 2....got.... exactly that
#7 worse case...250k c-bills.... got.... beagle probe
#8 worse case... 100k c-bills...got.... C-AC/2
#9 worse case... C-LRM-15...got... 50 MC

So.... 225MC in keys, hit 4 commons, 4 uncommons and 1 rare. In terms of re-sale value the BAP is 200k, the AC/20 s 300k, the MPLs are 120k, the gauss is also 300k, the clan LPLs are 350k and the C-AC/2 is 150k. 50MC is obvious. The 1 day premium is worth 250MC, and the double helix is worth 500MC and is actually the first one I've gotten. So just the premium time alone put me ahead for the nine keys.

[Lightfoot]

It's an MC sink, but I have never gotten a mech or mech bay. You should also win Keys at the end of a match occasionally to be fair.

[Dee Eight]

Since I started screen capping all rare and ultra rare results, I've gotten 3 confirmed mech bays from cache opens.

[Rhialto]

Dee Eight, on 04 April 2017 - 07:56 AM, said:

Since I started screen capping all rare and ultra rare results, I've gotten 3 confirmed mech bays from cache opens.

After a grand total of how many caches?

And was looking at some screenshots of yours a few posts above, what's up with your FPS? 30 FPS on a static image? You really play with such a low FPS? What happens when there is lot of action going on? What's your computer setup?

Just curious as I see you often so you must be playing a lot and I can't imagine 30 FPS is all you can afford for the game you play the most.