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[Davers]

I don't understand. Russ calls it Energy Draw- isn't that the official name?

[Gas Guzzler]

Davers, on 09 August 2016 - 03:10 PM, said:

I don't understand. Russ calls it Energy Draw- isn't that the official name?

Yeah but its a bad name that doesn't make sense and is misleading.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2016 - 03:10 PM, said:

Yeah but its a bad name that doesn't make sense and is misleading.

Yes several people have been creating threads in an attempt to discuss energy utilization mechanics. But those mechanics do not exist.

[Bishop Steiner]

Davers, on 09 August 2016 - 03:10 PM, said:

I don't understand. Russ calls it Energy Draw- isn't that the official name?

russ says dekkuls, too.

*shrugs*

Prosperity Park, on 09 August 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

Yes several people have been creating threads in an attempt to discuss energy utilization mechanics. But those mechanics do not exist.

People still worried about laser spam? Easy fix? Put all Large Lasers heat and damage back to lore levels.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Davers, on 09 August 2016 - 03:10 PM, said:

I don't understand. Russ calls it Energy Draw- isn't that the official name?

It sounds like it was derived from another idea that could have been accurately described as energy draw, but changed slightly so that a heat penalty becomes the limiting factor. So it may as well be Ghost Heat 2.

[dervishx5]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 August 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

why would I? Blood Wolf and company are doing more than enough pointless spamming. If there's an actual interesting topic posted..... I might bother commenting (more than a little trolly snark anyhow, lol)

I'm liking spending my time on those OTHER Battletech Game forums..the ones where Devs actually read posts, interact respectfully with the players, etc.

This place is just SSDD, same hamster wheel of futility it's been for 4 years.

You mean the forum where 50% of the posts are from Prussian Havoc?

You can't let him beat you man. Double down and go for the goal!

[InspectorG]

Flamers are actually plasma-ers.

All lasers are pulse lasers.

Drop Ships are actually Delivery Ships.

Jumpships dont.

Multi-ton Targeting Computers likely run on punch-cards.

Auto-Cannons are not automatic.

Novas cant Torso Twist.

Engine Crits dont.

MM doesnt.

PSR is not a Rating.

Leaderboards do not delineate those who can lead a team.

And Pugs are dogs.

[Bishop Steiner]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

You mean the forum where 50% of the posts are from Prussian Havoc?

You can't let him beat you man. Double down and go for the goal!

I'm playing the long game. When carpel tunnel syndrome and wankers wrist take him down, I'll still be going.... like the tortoise and the hare... slow and steady wins the race.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 09 August 2016 - 03:21 PM, said:

Why does Bishop get to troll but I always get redacted?

I get [redacted] quite regularly, actually.

[C E Dwyer]

Energy draw, is being artistic with Lasers, so like most art, it costs far to much and has very little use in the real world other than to look pretty, and for people to talk **** about, pretending they are the voice of knowledge.

I'd say Energy Draw was just about as correct a name as you could give it myself.

[3xnihilo]

InspectorG, on 09 August 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

Flamers are actually plasma-ers.

All lasers are pulse lasers.

Drop Ships are actually Delivery Ships.

Jumpships dont.

Multi-ton Targeting Computers likely run on punch-cards.

Auto-Cannons are not automatic.

Novas cant Torso Twist.

Engine Crits dont.

MM doesnt.

PSR is not a Rating.

Leaderboards do not delineate those who can lead a team.

And Pugs are dogs.

This is the most accurate thing I have read all day.

[Mcgral18]

FupDup, on 09 August 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

How about Ghost Alpha?

Ghost Limit?

Ghost Cap?

Keep it simple, continue irking Russ

Ghost Heat Mk2
Or any derivative of it

[dervishx5]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 09 August 2016 - 04:23 PM, said:

Russ can be irked? I didn't know he could. Can't tell his facial expression hasn't changed in the last 10 years.

He's not the most sociable guy if my personal interactions with him are any indication. That's fine, a lot of people are shy/awkward in formal situations.

I'm more concerned about his health than anything else. He's got the same thing that Presidents of the US have where they visibly age over a few short years.

Edited by dervishx5, 09 August 2016 - 04:27 PM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

FupDup, on 09 August 2016 - 10:32 AM, said:

But on a serious note, Guzzler does have a point. If PGI focuses Ghost Energy on just raw alpha strike damage, this means that it will seriously mess up weapon balancing. Weapons with high alpha but other weaknesses like lasers would get pooped on, while weapons with low alpha strike but high firing rate (AC's) get to mostly sidestep the system. Pea Gee Eye has many opportunities to mess it up...

Not only that but unless this damage is scaled so that the alpha damage limit increase as the tonnage of the mech increase then it potentially cripples assault mechs. I mean take my Spirit Bear. I have a UAC/20, 2 LPLs and 2 SRM 6s mounted. I very often fire both LPLs and the UAC/20 at ranges out to about 500 meters so that is 36 damage which is a bit more than 30. Therefore I am going to suffer huge heat spikes and I am not even using my SRMs. Throw those in to bring my alpha up to 60 and I am likely into instant shutdown or exploding. Or take a Direwolf that can mount 50+ tons of weapons. I mean what is the point of even using an Assault mech if you can't take advantage of the fact you can mount a crap ton of weapons?

Instead you throw away your Assault mechs and maybe even toss out your heavies. Then pick whatever mech that mounts the most effective combination of 30 damage, toss in the absolute largest engine you can for mobility and now you have the new meta. All of a sudden, a 6 ML Jenner that has an alpha of 30 points exactly, that can also run at 151 kph and has jump jets becomes the best mech in the game because it is a perfectly heat efficient build while the Direwolf which can no longer use its 50 tons of weapons due to heat gets tossed on the scrap heap.

Also as some have pointed out, an alpha limit is still massively exploitable. Mount 4 UAC5s and maybe a couple of MLs and your still only at 30 damage but no other combo of weapon is going to be able to match your sustained DPS because to do so they would have to fire less frequent, higher alpha bursts to keep up and they aren't going to be able to do that due to power draw increasing their heat beyond what is manageable.

[Karl Marlow]

I shall dub it energy draw.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 August 2016 - 10:19 AM, said:

Nobody thinks it only applies to lasers. It does however primarily affect lasers, as they are the weapons that require high damage to be useful, that is their selling point. Energy draw is not going to affect 4 AC5 builds, as it is highly unlikely that PGI's damage limit will ever go below 20.

Does anyone care about 4 AC5 builds?

[dervishx5]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 09 August 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Does anyone care about 4 AC5 builds?

Only the best players in the game

[Y E O N N E]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 09 August 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Does anyone care about 4 AC5 builds?

PGI cared about 5x AC/5 builds enough to whack the Mauler, though I digress; that is 5x AC/5, not 4x.

[J0anna]

Johnny Z, on 09 August 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Plenty of adventure in the real world with enough money. But then you know that. For us poor people these video games are easily the best money that can be spent. Doesn't burn gas either.

Not even close to true, around 65% of the electricity produced in the world is from burning fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas).

[FupDup]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 09 August 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Does anyone care about 4 AC5 builds?

If all of the fears come true, they will...

[Johnny Z]

J0anna, on 09 August 2016 - 04:34 PM, said:

Not even close to true, around 65% of the electricity produced in the world is from burning fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas).

Of those fossil fuels how much is used by vehicles? Just saying. Oh well some day its all electric cars anyway.

Edited by Johnny Z, 09 August 2016 - 04:44 PM.