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[FLG 01]

Cathy, on 22 August 2016 - 12:25 PM, said:

So why are people so resistant to other variants being added to the canon

PGI's variants are not canonical. Anyway, my issue is not about PGI-variants (that's a whole new can of worms). My problem is making a notoriously slow Mech as fast as Mechs which would easily outrun it in TT -- in addition to the already great customizing options. So far PGI and its policy on engine caps has allowed maintaining TT speed relations, at least to a small degree. Fast Mechs are fast, and slow Mechs are slow.

Why abandon that one immersive feature (few of which remain in MWO) when you can have plenty of assault Mechs which are not super slow? There are so many, many alternatives canonically reaching speeds beyond 50kph.

Imperius, on 22 August 2016 - 01:40 PM, said:

The same reason they were against the Mad Cat MK II. It doesn't fit their agenda. So any tiny thing they can make an issue of they will try to exploit it to push their wanted mechs ahead of the others they will pursue it. Just that simple. Not saying I don't do it, of course I do, but I'm open about it.

Actually now that the techbase is officially more important than the timeline, and after reading some well-presented arguments by CK16, I for one became open to the MadCat MKII -- despite your ...specific kind of fandom. This has nothing to do with the issue at hand though.
In fact I am not even opposing the Annihilator. If anyone wishes to run with 33kph, I won't stop him. However if he wishes to pilot something faster, he should not wish for the Annihilator with a non-canon engine. This Mech is supposed to be super-slow, well below the average of even 100 ton Mechs, and there are plenty of faster assaults to chose from.

[Requiemking]

FLG 01, on 22 August 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

PGI's variants are not canonical. Anyway, my issue is not about PGI-variants (that's a whole new can of worms). My problem is making a notoriously slow Mech as fast as Mechs which would easily outrun it in TT -- in addition to the already great customizing options. So far PGI and its policy on engine caps has allowed maintaining TT speed relations, at least to a small degree. Fast Mechs are fast, and slow Mechs are slow.

Why abandon that one immersive feature (few of which remain in MWO) when you can have plenty of assault Mechs which are not super slow? There are so many, many alternatives canonically reaching speeds beyond 50kph.




Actually now that the techbase is officially more important than the timeline, and after reading some well-presented arguments by CK16, I for one became open to the MadCat MKII -- despite your ...specific kind of fandom. This has nothing to do with the issue at hand though.
In fact I am not even opposing the Annihilator. If anyone wishes to run with 33kph, I won't stop him. However if he wishes to pilot something faster, he should not wish for the Annihilator with a non-canon engine. This Mech is supposed to be super-slow, well below the average of even 100 ton Mechs, and there are plenty of faster assaults to chose from.

Such as the Imp, which I feel would be much better off in game than the Annihilator would ever be.

[Imperius]

Uziel should be the next is mech as I said early in the thread.

[TheArisen]

Requiemking, on 22 August 2016 - 06:25 PM, said:

Such as the Imp, which I feel would be much better off in game than the Annihilator would ever be.

In all honesty, what wouldn't be better than it? Pretty much every other mech has some combo of better potential hotboxes, weapon placement & speed. The Anni has just firepower.

Just off the top of my head, the Imp, Pillager, Devastator, Nightstar, Cerberus, Charger, they'd all be way better.

[Requiemking]

TheArisen, on 22 August 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

In all honesty, what wouldn't be better than it? Pretty much every other mech has some combo of better potential hotboxes, weapon placement & speed. The Anni has just firepower.

Just off the top of my head, the Imp, Pillager, Devastator, Nightstar, Cerberus, Charger, they'd all be way better.

Ok. I just brought up the Imp because it is the reigning King Urbie, protected by his loyal knight Sir Urbington, a.k.a. the Flashman.

[ManDaisy]

You guys are all wrong. Next mech is the champion. All other mechs inferior, champion superior. Hero version with masc and jump.

Edited by ManDaisy, 22 August 2016 - 07:46 PM.

[SlyJJ]

You're goddamn right on the Annihilator. That would be awesome. 4lbx 10s on an assault mech? Yeah I know the Mauler can carry them and all but is 90 ton mech. Might even be able to run with 3 or 4 AC20s....

[Requiemking]

SlyJJ, on 22 August 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

You're goddamn right on the Annihilator. That would be awesome. 4lbx 10s on an assault mech? Yeah I know the Mauler can carry them and all but is 90 ton mech. Might even be able to run with 3 or 4 AC20s....

Not enough space. A single AC20 would take up all the podspace in the Annihilator's arm.

[RestosIII]

Requiemking, on 22 August 2016 - 08:15 PM, said:

Not enough space. A single AC20 would take up all the podspace in the Annihilator's arm.

I'm just sad we'll never get the quad Gauss Annihilator. RIP hopes and dreams.

[TheArisen]

Imperius, on 22 August 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Explain how it's junk?

Waist high guns, super slow even with what would be max engine in game... Giraffe neck, beer belly...

[Imperius]

TheArisen, on 22 August 2016 - 08:38 PM, said:

Waist high guns, super slow even with what would be max engine in game... Giraffe neck, beer belly...

Ummm you've never seen the Mad Cat MK II then if you're serious. If not serious then we're done talking about that. Troll somewhere else I'm not trying to derail the thread 0/10.

Back on topic look at the poll for the Uziel back in 2013 I think it was.

Edited by Imperius, 22 August 2016 - 09:10 PM.

[TheArisen]

Imperius, on 22 August 2016 - 09:08 PM, said:

Ummm you've never seen the Mad Cat MK II then if you're serious. If not serious then we're done talking about that. Troll somewhere else I'm not trying to derail the thread 0/10.

Back on topic look at the poll for the Uziel back in 2013 I think it was.

It seems you've misunderstood, we had been talking about the Annihilator, I'm not sure why you thought I was talking about the MKII (I'm pro MKII)

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 August 2016 - 10:15 AM, said:

With a 240 max engine and belly button guns...lol. No.

Well, among all the made up variants and builds here and there, I'm sure a 300 cap would not hurt anyone's feelings.

AS7-D-DC never had ECM... yet I did not see anyone complain about that.

[dervishx5]

I'll reserve my judgement on the Annihilator until I see Alex's artwork of it.

The next mech will likely be a heavy since the last two were an assault and medium (BECAUSE NOBODY LIKES LIGHTS HAHAHAHA). Crusader is a strong candidate for a heavy.

[Imperius]

TheArisen, on 23 August 2016 - 12:12 AM, said:

It seems you've misunderstood, we had been talking about the Annihilator, I'm not sure why you thought I was talking about the MKII (I'm pro MKII)

Look at what you have quoted from me.

[TheArisen]

Imperius, on 23 August 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

Look at what you have quoted from me.

You were responding to Cathy when he was asking about the Annihilator getting opposition. I was answering your response to him. Yes you mentioned the MKII but it was an example & not the subject at that time.

[dervishx5]

:WARNING MKII PROXIMITY BREACH:

:ABANDON THREAD:

[Armored Yokai]

Hermes,Clint, Annihilator!!!

[Metus regem]

Imperius, on 22 August 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

Uziel should be the next is mech as I said early in the thread.

Why?

The Uziel is know for being excellent at being average....

The Bushwacker should be next, it's a really rough and tumble mech, that if you give it a standard engine, would very likely be as tanky as a Marauder or Stalker....

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 23 August 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

Why?

The Uziel is know for being excellent at being average....

The Bushwacker should be next, it's a really rough and tumble mech, that if you give it a standard engine, would very likely be as tanky as a Marauder or Stalker....

I don't think either would be very strong to be honest, though I would like to see both in game.