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[Random Carnage]

PyckenZot, on 14 October 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

To conclude I would then like to state I prefer not to compare a random collection of apples with a handpicked set of golden eggs .

Plenty of eggs around here...

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Major Lag, on 14 October 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

People generally refer to the 4 UAC10 build as OP.

That's because they faced it more in PUGs where it was terrifying, but the PokeBear is used about the same amount in the tourney client, and that is before its competition got nerfed.

[Tristan Winter]

197mmCannon, on 14 October 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

Right now the KDK-3 is at the top of that list but if you nerf it then some other mech will replace it as the current "strongest" mech. What are you gonna do then? Just keep nerfing everything?

Basically, yeah. You will never have perfect balance, you just keep tweaking things forever. Some things get buffed, other things get nerfed. It keeps the meta interesting and keeps things changing (preferably with constant small changes to the meta, instead of 2 years of poptarting followed by 1 year of laservomit, for example), but it's also an inevitability of chasing perfection.

And whenever you chase perfection, in any walk of life, you will still discover other flaws and problems. That's alright. You never reach your goal, you just keep trying to improve.

Edited by Tristan Winter, 14 October 2016 - 01:56 PM.

[Mystere]

SmithMPBT, on 14 October 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

Easy there Stalin, I'm sure you're a lover of the Kodiak Easymode 3, but shuttin down discussion of nerfing it under the guise of the thread "going nowhere" is BS.

That is hilarious considering I don't even own a Kodiak.

And the poster was reported for violating the CoC ... as well as you. I'll let you figure those out.

Edited by Mystere, 14 October 2016 - 02:08 PM.

[Mcgral18]

FupDup, on 14 October 2016 - 01:45 PM, said:

The 2 ERPPC + 2 Gauss "Pokebear" build is unaffected.

People have also adapted to 2 UAC/10 + 2 UAC/5 as the new dakka build.

Quad 10 still works, in a less effective but still deadly manner


2 & 2 obviously spreads more, but left, double tap, right, double tap, ect...

still allows for copious amounts of Dakka to be put downfield. I prefer it to the ten five split...could never get into that one.



I've learned from my SupaHunchDakkaBear escapades to bring 11 tons of ammo.

[Captain Stiffy]

I decided to start tracking it and I attempted to predict the outcome of each match based on the mechs on our team and the behavior of the team in the first 2 minutes of the match and I was right 31 times out of 35 times.

This didn't have anything to do with KDK-3's being on the teams.

[Mystere]

jjm1, on 14 October 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

There are still many of us that want a fun game without such an obvious go-to vehicle for winning.

I am sure I am not alone when I say I am still having fun without owning a Kodiak 3. But killing one is even more fun. <maniacal >

Which now begs the question, why can't you?

Edited by Mystere, 14 October 2016 - 01:59 PM.

[JC Daxion]

Marauder3D, on 14 October 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

KDK-3 needs to lose its quirks, completely. Restrict the torso like the BLR-1G. Then fix the torso on the Battlemaster, Stalker, and Dire Wolf.

Just my .02$

Not sure what you mean by "fix" the torso's on the others.. But i agree.. KD3 needs to loose all the quirks, the others i am not sure about.. You just don't see enough in game to even notice outside of someone leveling them.


BUT at first i was just thinking the Kodiak wasn't OP, just people saying they were because they were new.. But now, man those things to pack some serious punch. I really think all need the quirks removed, then perhaps some of the others, add some weapon boosting quriks if needed, but the thing moves like a heavy at 100 tons.. Does it move better than the night gyr? it is hard to even notice a difference between the two at times.

The last leader board event, i think 95% of the mechs on the top 75 were kodiaks.. Even lights had more variety and that's really saying something considering how few lights people even acknowledge are even decent.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

JC Daxion, on 14 October 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

Does it move better than the night gyr? it is hard to even notice a difference between the two at times.

They move about the same, because agility is only tied to speed (and quirks technically), a Kodiak with a 400 XL and a Night Gyr move exactly the same way. While you aren't running a KDK-3 with a 400 typically, you generally have at least a 375 so there is a negligible difference between the two.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 October 2016 - 02:04 PM.

[Snowbluff]

FupDup, on 14 October 2016 - 01:45 PM, said:

People have also adapted to 2 UAC/10 + 2 UAC/5 as the new dakka build.

Adapted? That's where I started.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Tristan Winter, on 14 October 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

Basically, yeah. You will never have perfect balance, you just keep tweaking things forever. Some things get buffed, other things get nerfed. It keeps the meta interesting and keeps things changing (preferably with constant small changes to the meta, instead of 2 years of poptarting followed by 1 year of laservomit, for example), but it's also an inevitability of chasing perfection.

And whenever you chase perfection, in any walk of life, you will still discover other flaws and problems. That's alright. You never reach your goal, you just keep trying to improve.

I don't know if I agree. This nerf/buff, nerf/buff cycle just really pisses me off. Prime Example was the JJ nerf we had a while back. I bought not one but two Assault Heroes, the Heavy Metal and the Dragon Slayer specifically based on the fact they had excellent mobility with JJs. Then along comes the whining and next thing I know, mounting JJs on an Assault mech is next to useless and the entire reason I bought these mechs is invalid. I am also out over 12,000 MC worth of real money for mechs that just uselessly sit in my mech stable doing nothing but hoping that PGI decides to buff JJs again.

The point I am trying to make is I am utterly sick of mechs that were good suddenly made to be crappy just because people don't want to adapt. This buff/nerf cycle has to end and it needs to do it quickly. Also the game has already gone stale because nothing new except mechs is being added however, until or unless they finally say enough's enough and STOP nerfing and buffing every time people get their panties in a bunch, we are NEVER going to have new tech and weapons added to the game.

One last thing I will leave with here. I play the same game everyone else does so please tell me why it is that I can deal with fighting against Kodiak and so many other people can't? Am I just that much better than everyone else or is it just that I am not as big a baby about it and just take it in stride that they are powerful mechs and play accordingly. I mean I do own Kodiaks, but I play Vipers, Phoenix Hawks, Warhammers, Marauders, Hellbringers, Crabs, King Crabs, Battlemasters, etc, etc, etc, and I am not upset when the KDK-3 shows up in front of me. I don't feel dominated or afraid so why is everyone else so overwhelmed. That is what boggles my mind.

[Tristan Winter]

Viktor Drake, on 14 October 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

I don't know if I agree. This nerf/buff, nerf/buff cycle just really pisses me off. Prime Example was the JJ nerf we had a while back

That's just because PGI is doing it wrong. That was my point about constant, small changes. Not letting the poptart meta rage for 2 years and then nuking every element of the poptart era (jump jets across the board, victors and highlanders, ppcs and gauss rifles) with the power of 9000 Long Toms.

But PGI doesn't generally make such big mistakes and that (all snarky jokes aside). That particular ongoing blunder is on their top 10 balance blunder list, for me.

Viktor Drake, on 14 October 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

One last thing I will leave with here. I play the same game everyone else does so please tell me why it is that I can deal with fighting against Kodiak and so many other people can't? Am I just that much better than everyone else or is it just that I am not as big a baby about it and just take it in stride that they are powerful mechs and play accordingly. I mean I do own Kodiaks, but I play Vipers, Phoenix Hawks, Warhammers, Marauders, Hellbringers, Crabs, King Crabs, Battlemasters, etc, etc, etc, and I am not upset when the KDK-3 shows up in front of me. I don't feel dominated or afraid so why is everyone else so overwhelmed. That is what boggles my mind.

With a few exceptions, it has little to do with feelings of fear or domination or people being a big baby. It has more to do with the fact that the numbers speak for themselves and the KDK-3 is generally outperforming all other assault mechs (and most other mechs in general) to a significant degree. If anyone is doing 1000+ damage in a match, it's usually a KDK-3, as a rule of thumb. People just don't enjoy that kind of imbalance. It's not fun.

It's also entirely possible you're not regularly exposed to what top players (and elite groups) can do with a KDK-3, but that kind of speculation isn't very constructive, so we don't need to go there.

[SmithMPBT]

Mystere, on 14 October 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

That is hilarious considering I don't even own a Kodiak.

And the poster was reported for violating the CoC ... as well as you. I'll let you figure those out.

Is making a satirical reference to you trying to squash dissent and discussion of a topic against CoC? You're e-peen grows as you keep reporting people you disagree with.

[Tristan Winter]

SmithMPBT, on 14 October 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

Easy there Stalin, I'm sure you're a lover of the Kodiak Easymode 3, but shuttin down discussion of nerfing it under the guise of the thread "going nowhere" is BS.

Was going to post this:


But then I found this, which was oddly relevant.

[Void Angel]

Maqi, on 14 October 2016 - 03:12 AM, said:

but since it wasnt released as mechpack and its not a new mech, you just dont give a ******* **** about making it ******* viable.
because if something doesnt sell and earn you money, why bother, right?

Hello. My Atlas, Hunchback, Spider, Jenner, Cicada, Centurion, Cataphract - oh, and your Mauler (which was released in a 'mech pack) - want a word with you...
"what? no! You can't call him that on the forums... no, not that either. SARAH'S JENNER! That language is NOT ladylike! Look, look, I'll just summarize for you..."
They think your reasoning doesn't make sense. And they dislike you, personally. They're... pretty emphatic about that. Sorry.

[Battlemaster56]

Guys what let's bring other assaults to the KDK-3 level?

I know it sounds crazy but it might work?


If you can't do it for me, do it for this cat, gnome, girl?

Edited by Battlemaster56, 14 October 2016 - 03:12 PM.

[Battlemaster56]

Tristan Winter, on 14 October 2016 - 02:49 PM, said:

Was going to post this:


But then I found this, which was oddly relevant.

[Void Angel]

Maqi, on 14 October 2016 - 03:12 AM, said:

The Kodiak is still very strong, and performs disproportionately well in its weight class. But that whole 15 points of extra damage needed to kill it through the CT is not what makes the Kodiak overpowered - it's the other characteristics that you listed. It's overpowered because of the fracking dakka, and the interactions between its hardpoint placement and the flexibility of being a Battlemech instead of an Omni (the standard builds don't use the stock 400 XL, for example, because they don't have to.) None of these things are easy to fix without dramatically affecting other 'mechs and/or systems; PGI did fix the bug that was making the UAC10 build so terrifying, but short of redesigning the chassis, there's not much more they can meaningfully do - except wait for Energy Draw, in whatever form that comes in. Having fought with and from a Kodiak, I can tell you that they can be fought if you don't play to their strengths - just bringing the chassis does not guarantee a win - and since the chassis is available for c-bills, it's hardly a pay to win situation (tinfoil hat conspiracy theories notwithstanding.)

In short, you're letting your frustration get the better of you - and it's getting in the way of the quality of your feedback. If you can't express yourself logically, and just hammer out a diatribe because you're upset, what rational developer would give credence to that post?

The Kodiak is a problem, but there's a reason that it hasn't been changed yet - it's a good reason, too, so be patient and it'll be all right.

Captain Stiffy, on 14 October 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

I decided to start tracking it and I attempted to predict the outcome of each match based on the mechs on our team and the behavior of the team in the first 2 minutes of the match and I was right 31 times out of 35 times.

This didn't have anything to do with KDK-3's being on the teams.

Not a statistically significant sample, but still hilarious.

Edited by Void Angel, 14 October 2016 - 03:25 PM.

[Mystere]

Viktor Drake, on 14 October 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

I don't know if I agree. This nerf/buff, nerf/buff cycle just really pisses me off. Prime Example was the JJ nerf we had a while back. I bought not one but two Assault Heroes, the Heavy Metal and the Dragon Slayer specifically based on the fact they had excellent mobility with JJs. Then along comes the whining and next thing I know, mounting JJs on an Assault mech is next to useless and the entire reason I bought these mechs is invalid. I am also out over 12,000 MC worth of real money for mechs that just uselessly sit in my mech stable doing nothing but hoping that PGI decides to buff JJs again.

Well, I blame all the ******* whiners, the loud incessant bottom-of-the-barrel ******* whiners for the sorry state of JJs on anything but lights and some mediums.

Viktor Drake, on 14 October 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

The point I am trying to make is I am utterly sick of mechs that were good suddenly made to be crappy just because people don't want to adapt. This buff/nerf cycle has to end and it needs to do it quickly. Also the game has already gone stale because nothing new except mechs is being added however, until or unless they finally say enough's enough and STOP nerfing and buffing every time people get their panties in a bunch, we are NEVER going to have new tech and weapons added to the game.

One last thing I will leave with here. I play the same game everyone else does so please tell me why it is that I can deal with fighting against Kodiak and so many other people can't? Am I just that much better than everyone else or is it just that I am not as big a baby about it and just take it in stride that they are powerful mechs and play accordingly. I mean I do own Kodiaks, but I play Vipers, Phoenix Hawks, Warhammers, Marauders, Hellbringers, Crabs, King Crabs, Battlemasters, etc, etc, etc, and I am not upset when the KDK-3 shows up in front of me. I don't feel dominated or afraid so why is everyone else so overwhelmed. That is what boggles my mind.

Because it is so much much easier to run to the forums and cry to Momma PGI, that's why.

Edited by Mystere, 14 October 2016 - 03:37 PM.

[Mystere]

Tristan Winter, on 14 October 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

With a few exceptions, it has little to do with feelings of fear or domination or people being a big baby. It has more to do with the fact that the numbers speak for themselves ...

I've been here long enough, and have played more than enough PvP games, to know that I fully disagree with you on this point.