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[The6thMessenger]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 01:19 AM, said:

Only bad assaults get left behind. If you stand stand still in your 54 KPH assaults firing lrms/er ppcs while the other teams moves your flank dont be surprised when you die. If you are pro active, pay attention to the mini map and dont expect other mechs to tank fire for your 100 ton lrm boat, then you dont get left behind. There is a reason why I have a positive win/loss ratio on my assault mechs

Not every assault goes that fast...

And 100-ton LRM boat is just bad. All that armor, and weight for firepower, wasted.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 28 October 2016 - 01:33 AM.

[DJ Mitchell]

Albino Boo, on 27 October 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

If you sign up to play a team game dont be surprised when the other 11 players on your team get annoyed if you limit their desire to win by doing what you want. There are 1000s of single player games out there where you can do what you want without impacting other people. The reality is if you do what you want and run a hiding lrm boat you are limiting other peoples fun. The world does not revole around your desires.

Unfortunatly it seems you totally missunderstood my post. What i tried to tell you is, you won´t change the way quick play works. It´s working as intended. And instead of wasting nerves and ressources by raging about "how incompetent the other random players are or someone lrming useless around is" focus your energies were you can make a difference and will meet like minded people aka league play or simply accept how quick play runs and work with what you have / get and try to win and that´s what I tried to explain via a simple example.

The majority doesn´t read any forums like in any other games(wot for example), they just play, so all the ranting accomplishes nothing. With this observation in mind your effective course of action is limited and one simple principle persists. Survival of the fittest =adapt, overcome, maximize your influence on the game outcome and carry harder (that´s what I do ).

And I agree with you the world does not revolve around your desires.

Edited by DJ Mitchell, 28 October 2016 - 03:26 AM.

[Albino Boo]

DJ Mitchell, on 28 October 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:

Unfortunatly it seems you totally missunderstood my post. What i tried to tell you is, you won´t change the way quick play works. It´s working as intended. And instead of wasting nerves and ressources by raging about "how incompetent the other random players are or someone lrming useless around is" focus your energies were you can make a difference and will meet like minded people aka league play or simply accept how quick play runs and work with what you have / get and try to win and that´s what I tried to explain via a simple example.

The majority doesn´t read any forums like in any other games(wot for example), they just play, so all the ranting accomplishes nothing. With this observation in mind you´re effective course of action is limited and one simple principle persists. Survival of the fittest =adapt, overcome, maximize your influence on the game outcome and carry harder (that´s what I do ).

And I agree with you the world does not revolve around your desires.

If you beg for locks dont be surprised if you get a hostile result

[Jehofi]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 02:16 AM, said:

If you beg for locks dont be surprised if you get a hostile result

If you behave like a jerk, dont be surprised to get called a jerk.

Player 2 games yesterday with a variant of OP's build. One loss one win. Both times the winning team just had to verbally harass the Lrm players, oh yes both team had in both matched LRM players an i was not the only player in my team.
Both games where lost by not being able to group up and form a cohesive line or something alike, not by the 2 lrm players, they lost because the team was unable to perform. ALL of them together. So why where the LRM players the harassed, they where not at fault?

Oh and nobody "begged" for locks, at least in my teams.

BTW OP, i find this build lacking. For me it has not enough staying/fighting power or mobility (despite the JJ, sounds strange yes) to actually be useful. Sorry to have to say so, on paper the build looked quite nice an interesting.

EDIT:
And i just got a mechbay for one of those games, thank you probability.

Edited by Jehofi, 28 October 2016 - 03:02 AM.

[Vellron2005]

I just wanted to share this with you LRM haters..

Yesterday, I had a whole afternoon of matches with my 6 LMR5 + 5 CERML Mad Dog.

EVERY match, I did well, and most matches, i had 2,sometimes 3 kills, most of those solo kills.

I really enjoyed as I had a Warhawk trying to run me down on plain open ground on tourmaline, I just kept walking away from him, keeping him at a distance of 300-500 meters, and LRMing the shait out of him. Got a solo kill for that one. Walked away with just a yellow-orange mech.

Ended up carrying that match with 786 damage, 3 kills, 2 of those solo kills.

I love Mad Dogs. I love LRM's and LRM boats. Don't nobody tell me LRM boats suck.

You just gotta know how to use them!

P.S.

What do you think, should I make a LRM100 Warhawk or Stalker?

[Albino Boo]

Vellron2005, on 28 October 2016 - 02:29 AM, said:

I just wanted to share this with you LRM haters..

Yesterday, I had a whole afternoon of matches with my 6 LMR5 + 5 CERML Mad Dog.

EVERY match, I did well, and most matches, i had 2,sometimes 3 kills, most of those solo kills.

I really enjoyed as I had a Warhawk trying to run me down on plain open ground on tourmaline, I just kept walking away from him, keeping him at a distance of 300-500 meters, and LRMing the shait out of him. Got a solo kill for that one. Walked away with just a yellow-orange mech.

Ended up carrying that match with 786 damage, 3 kills, 2 of those solo kills.

I love Mad Dogs. I love LRM's and LRM boats. Don't nobody tell me LRM boats suck.

You just gotta know how to use them!

P.S.

What do you think, should I make a LRM100 Warhawk or Stalker?

You have a win loss ratio of 0.69 and kdr of 0.57. Your stats indicate that lrms are not successful

Jehofi, on 28 October 2016 - 02:27 AM, said:

If you behave like a jerk, dont be surprised to get called a jerk.

Player 2 games yesterday with a variant of OP's build. One loss one win. Both times the winning team just had to verbally

Oh and nobody "begged" for locks, at least in my teams.

BTW OP, i find this build lacking. For me it has not enough staying/fighting power or mobility (despite the JJ, sounds strange yes) to actually be useful. Sorry to have to say so, on paper the build looked quite nice an interesting.

And for the billionth time lrms are worse than direct fire weapons. Anecdotal experience in two drops will not change the fact the doing 40 damage to one section armor will kill a mech quicker than doing 40 damage to 4 sections of armor.

[Jehofi]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 02:42 AM, said:

And for the billionth time lrms are worse than direct fire weapons. Anecdotal experience in two drops will not change the fact the doing 40 damage to one section armor will kill a mech quicker than doing 40 damage to 4 sections of armor.

And for he trillionth time: What makes your fun more important than mine?
Why do i have to adhere to YOUR needs regarding MY build and MY playstyle?
Why is it OK for YOU to insult my playstyle and the reverse is not ok?
What makes you more right than me?*
Arent we in a team, should it not be the case that we both go 1/2 the way?

Shouldnt you protect your assaults, even it they are slow

*Small hint here. If you look down on others based on a a prejudice, you are wrong!

[Vellron2005]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 02:42 AM, said:

You have a win loss ratio of 0.69 and kdr of 0.57. Your stats indicate that lrms are not successful


And for the billionth time lrms are worse than direct fire weapons. Anecdotal experience in two drops will not change the fact the doing 40 damage to one section armor will kill a mech quicker than doing 40 damage to 4 sections of armor.

My stats are completely unimportant as they are derived from countless hours of experimentation, playing "fun builds", practice drops, and generally not caring about my stats. Also, I've been in this game since Closed Beta, so, that tends to ruin stats a bit as well.

Your statement about my stats has about as much merit as saying "I have sampled the ocean with this glass of water, and determined there are no fish in the ocean"

Also, I agree with your statement that doing 40dmg to a single section is better than doing 40 total damage to 4 sections. But I ask you this:

Is doing 40 damage to 1 section and taking 40 damage in return still better than doing 40 total damage to 4 sections and taking 0, as in ZERO damage in return? (Since you do the damage from behind cover)

Sure, some will call this a cowardly strategy. I call it a winning strategy, akin to the words of Leonidas: Give them nothing, take them of everything!

Also, saying "you should not use LRMs, you should brawl" is like saying that a D&D wizard should fight in melee. It's just silly. And anybody that has ever played D&D knows, you NEED that wizard in the party.. 4 fighters is just a bad party mix ;-)

(Note that I play a LRM boat MadDog and face tank more than many assaults, and am often tip of the spear, that gets there, pops a UAV and then LRM's the flack out of pompous grievers like you)

P.S.

Seriously guys, a LRM100 Warhawk or Stalker?

Edited by Vellron2005, 28 October 2016 - 03:05 AM.

[Galenit]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 01:19 AM, said:

Translation: I want play a lrm boat regardless that playing a lrm impacts the enjoyment of everyone else.

Wrong, there is no translation needed.

if you cant work with what you get in pugs,
you should stay out of this mode and play groupmatches.

But english is my second language, maybe i dint explained clearly what i meant and that after i tried to make it simple?


That you claim that your opinion is the opinion of "everyone else" shows that you have a problem with your self perception.
Maybe that also explains that egozentric missunderstanding of my (and others) post(s)?
Your claim that others should change their funtime behavior for your enjoyment is also a clear sign for that.

Poor guy, but there are professionals that can help you for sure.

Edited by Galenit, 28 October 2016 - 03:33 AM.

[DJ Mitchell]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 02:16 AM, said:

If you beg for locks dont be surprised if you get a hostile result

Yes , if this would be the case which it isn´t. You assume to much, let it be.

[Albino Boo]

Jehofi, on 28 October 2016 - 02:53 AM, said:

And for he trillionth time: What makes your fun more important than mine?
Why do i have to adhere to YOUR needs regarding MY build and MY playstyle?
Why is it OK for YOU to insult my playstyle and the reverse is not ok?
What makes you more right than me?*
Arent we in a team, should it not be the case that we both go 1/2 the way?

Shouldnt you protect your assaults, even it they are slow

*Small hint here. If you look down on others based on a a prejudice, you are wrong!

When I play assault I dont need protecting because I'm in front leading not hiding at the back. its almost like assaults have the thickest armor and highest structure value and are best employed to tank damage while the rest of your team follows in.

My mistakes happen in game when my best guess on the limited information available as to where and what the other team is and will do. I have a positive win/loss ratio so my guesses are right more often than they are wrong. Running a lrm is factually less effective than than running a non lrm boat so will always average out to a worse result.

Vellron2005, on 28 October 2016 - 02:54 AM, said:

My stats are completely unimportant as they are derived from countless hours of experimentation, playing "fun builds", practice drops, and generally not caring about my stats. Also, I've been in this game since Closed Beta, so, that tends to ruin stats a bit as well.

Your statement about my stats has about as much merit as saying "I have sampled the ocean with this glass of water, and determined there are no fish in the ocean"

Also, I agree with your statement that doing 40dmg to a single section is better than doing 40 total damage to 4 sections. But I ask you this:

Is doing 40 damage to 1 section and taking 40 damage in return still better than doing 40 total damage to 4 sections and taking 0, as in ZERO damage in return? (Since you do the damage from behind cover)

Sure, some will call this a cowardly strategy. I call it a winning strategy, akin to the words of Leonidas: Give them nothing, take them of everything!

Also, saying "you should not use LRMs, you should brawl" is like saying that a D&D wizard should fight in melee. It's just silly. And anybody that has ever played D&D knows, you NEED that wizard in the party.. 4 fighters is just a bad party mix ;-)

(Note that I play a LRM boat MadDog and face tank more than many assaults, and am often tip of the spear, that gets there, pops a UAV and then LRM's the flack out of pompous grievers like you)

P.S.

Seriously guys, a LRM100 Warhawk or Stalker?

You may be taking 0 damage but that mech spotting for you will be fired on by more mechs than if you shared your armor. Your spotter will die more quickly because they will take more damage. The other team will fire on targets that they can see so the rest of your team will take more damage because you will not expose yourself to fire. There is no advantage gained from being an undamaged lrm boat at 11-5.

Galenit, on 28 October 2016 - 03:17 AM, said:

Wrong, there is no translation needed.

if you cant work with what you get in pugs,
you should stay out of this mode and play groupmatches.

But english is my second language, maybe i dint explained clearly what i meant and that after i tried to make it simple?


That you claim that your opinion is the opinion of "everyone else" shows that you have a problem with your self perception.
Maybe that also explains that egozentric missunderstanding of my (and others) post(s)?
Your claim that others should change their funtime behavior for your enjoyment is also a clear sign for that.

Poor guy, but there are professionals that can help you for sure.

Why do you assume that other people on your team do not want to win? Your choice to run an objectively worse build reduces that likelihood. If you join up to play football with a random group of people and then decided that you only will head the ball, would the other members of your team be happy about it. Why do you think that just because a game is online that you have the right to do whatever you want even if that impacts other people.

[Vellron2005]

DJ Mitchell, on 28 October 2016 - 03:49 AM, said:

Yes , if this would be the case which it isn´t. You assume to much, let it be.

I agree. More often than not, the "begging" simply goes unanswered. Personally, I don't see it as "begging", more like "alerting others that if they want LRM support they should hold locks"

I personally don't beg for locks. I get my own, and use any that are given to me.

Also, big shout out to you team players who NARC and TAG, you guys rule. I assure you, if my LRM boat is in your drop, your NARC will not go to waste. You light them up, I make it rain.

[Vellron2005]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

You may be taking 0 damage but that mech spotting for you will be fired on by more mechs than if you shared your armor. Your spotter will die more quickly because they will take more damage. The other team will fire on targets that they can see so the rest of your team will take more damage because you will not expose yourself to fire. There is no advantage gained from being an undamaged lrm boat at 11-5.

I guess you completely missed the part where I wrote I'm often the one that spearheads, posts UAV's so myself and others can lock, and face tanks, in a LRM boat, didn't you?

Sure you did. You only think about yourself.

Also, it's the job of a spotter to spot and be a scout. And it's the job of a LRM boat to pound the shait out of the spotter's opposition. But a brawler needs no spotter. You're just a one man army, aren't you? You can solo the whole enemy team, right? No team work needed in a team work oriented game, yes?

Also, a small point. A spotter does not actually need to facetank. Only to get into sensor range. It can be in cover. it can post a UAV. If its dedicated to this job, it can have ECM. All a LRM boat needs from a spotter is for him to be in sensor range and press the damn R button.

But I guess that's too much for some people.

I agree that It's no fun being an undamaged LRM boat at 5:11. That's a bad example of LRM boating. But it's no different than being an undamaged Gauss sniper or a UAC boat at 5:11.

If you're undamaged at 5:11, I'm basically reporting you for nonparticipation. Regardless of what you boat.

[Galenit]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

Why do you assume that other people on your team do not want to win? Your choice to run an objectively worse build reduces that likelihood. If you join up to play football with a random group of people and then decided that you only will head the ball, would the other members of your team be happy about it. Why do you think that just because a game is online that you have the right to do whatever you want even if that impacts other people.

If you cant bear it, dont play pugs.
You know, there is the group-queue ...

And yes i can do in this game whatever i want if its in the rules of this game.
Dont know why do you think a random internet guy, like you, can determine what i want to do ...

Today i decided to play only mechs with at least one lrm, just for you.

Edit:
You are assuming that i assume lets me assume that you are assuming too much.

Edit2:
You know that there are lrm-boats, but you dont bring tag and narc and bap, why dont you want your team to win?
Do you assume that all lrm-boats dont want to win or why dont you spare at least 1 ton teamutility in a teamgame?

Edited by Galenit, 28 October 2016 - 05:23 AM.

[Jehofi]

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

When I play assault I dont need protecting because I'm in front leading not hiding at the back. its almost like assaults have the thickest armor and highest structure value and are best employed to tank damage while the rest of your team follows in.

My mistakes happen in game when my best guess on the limited information available as to where and what the other team is and will do. I have a positive win/loss ratio so my guesses are right more often than they are wrong. Running a lrm is factually less effective than than running a non lrm boat so will always average out to a worse result.

Does that have to do anything with what i wrote? Anyway it is just anecdotal and thus has no real value... according to you anyway (so why do you make such an statement? Oh i know it is because you are right and all other are wrong if the dont agree with you).

oh and i was chasing my team for full 3:30 with ah 85kph medium in the second game. Good luck in your assault leading the charge ... alone ...

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

You may be taking 0 damage but that mech spotting for you will be ...

What mech is spotting, that is MY UAV spotting for me an MY team.

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

Why do you assume that other people on your team do not want to win?

Why do you think i cannot pull my weight playing anything less an an build approved by you?
LRM are not the godlike meta LAZOR but they are certainly not as bad as you make the out to be.

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

Your choice to run an objectively worse build reduces that likelihood.

You do understand that there is only one gamemode, there is no separation for the "fun Q" and the "win Q".

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

If you join up to play football with a random group of people and then decided that you only will head the ball, would the other members of your team be happy about it. Why do you think that just because a game is online that you have the right to do whatever you want even if that impacts other people.

Same question goes out to you, why do you think you have the right to tell me i have to play with my left leg and not my right leg?
Tell me what makes you such a better person as to pass judgment on me, why do i need your approval?
What will you do if i do not approve of your meta laser build (because it is in this situation a worse choice than something that runs cooler) will you change that for me then?
What will you do if i do not approve of your poptart tactic (because it is now better to use a different tactic)?

Am i then fully right to call you a "pathetic noob poptart", "dumb modes no skill lasor player"? Or should i be accepting that you do not bring the optimal build for the map and do not use the correct tactic for the situation.

Edited by Jehofi, 28 October 2016 - 05:27 AM.

[BlueFlames]

The6thMessenger, on 28 October 2016 - 01:32 AM, said:

Not every assault goes that fast [54kph]...

Then you died before leaving the mechlab. Your team needs to get into position before or concurrently with the enemy team. If there's an assault mech that can't or won't keep up, then either that mech gets caught out of position and gets run over, or the whole team gets caught out of position and gets run over.

And before anyone says, "But muh Direwolf has a fixed engine!": The Daishi was obsoleted by the King Crab and Kodiak. If you run one, then expect to be stuck playing catch-up.

The6thMessenger, on 28 October 2016 - 01:32 AM, said:

And 100-ton LRM boat is just bad. All that armor, and weight for firepower, wasted.

You get it! This is why lock begging annoys so many people! It's not the experimental 45-ton mech with LRM5s; it's the fact that it's almost always some greedy jerk in a heavy or assault who wants to hoard their armor in the back row, without risking face-time with the enemy.

[MW222]

Albino Boo, on 27 October 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

Your win/loss is 0.81 and your kdr is 0.62 according to the leader board. My win/loss is 1.02 and my kdr is 0.94. I have done 2338 damage with all lrms since I have started playing this game one year ago. The direct comparison of our stats suggest that lrms are less effective, in terms of personal kills and team wins.

https://sli.mg/a/8KgMbt

Albino Boo, on 28 October 2016 - 01:19 AM, said:

Translation: I want play a lrm boat regardless that playing a lrm impacts the enjoyment of everyone else.



Only bad assaults get left behind. If you stand stand still in your 54 KPH assaults firing lrms/er ppcs while the other teams moves your flank dont be surprised when you die. If you are pro active, pay attention to the mini map and dont expect other mechs to tank fire for your 100 ton lrm boat, then you dont get left behind. There is a reason why I have a positive win/loss ratio on my assault mechs

https://sli.mg/a/8KgMbt

[Scout Derek]

H-hey, but a-



amirite Bois? :>

[Deathlike]

Scout Derek, on 28 October 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

H-hey, but a-



amirite Bois? :>

I'm happier with the seal clubbing Atlas, but this is just as good.

[MW222]

Scout Derek, on 28 October 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

H-hey, but a-



amirite Bois? :>

You bet your ***!

https://sli.mg/a/WdDEWN

64 1K plus Games.

Ya LRMs SUCK.

LOL.

Builds of LRM 20 - LRM 60.

Edited by MW222, 29 October 2016 - 03:51 PM.