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[Uzi Foo]

I normally buy mech packs for the premium time, but I'm passing on this one. I don't want this thing to even get close to my mech bay.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

What next.... AT-ST?



Come on PGI! you can make it happen!

[C E Dwyer]

ice trey, on 04 December 2016 - 02:15 AM, said:

You're missing out. I was in the same boat for a bit, but after getting the two-for-one Dawn of the Jihad / Turning Points 3070 combo, I was sold on it - if only it was the first time in ever that the lore stopped being "The adventures of DAVION and whoever they're killing or shagging this time", instead spreading fluff evenly out among all the other factions. I got to read AS MUCH LORE for the Free Worlds League as the FedSuns, and that is FANTASTIC. Also, there was suddenly lore for the Outworlds Alliance, Marian Hegemony, Taurian Condordat... The only gripe I have is that they never made novels - and I think that's where most of the animosity stems. After Forever '67, everything was e-pub short stories that nobody really wanted, but it seems the issue is more a legal one after FASA burnt every bridge on the way out. The dark age seems to be really well received by most, under Catalysts' hands, that is. The Clickytech stuff was a trainwreck.

The "Victor" you see there is the Lu Wei Bing, an up-tonnaged take on the Victor after House Liao lost their Victor factories to Davion. Acts more like the old AC20 Victors than the Davion/Kurita Gauss versions.

I agree that the Pro Davion of the 3025 era became very annoying, part of the reason I jumped on board the Lyran Commonwealth, it was that or Free Worlds League, and they were lose Allies of the Fu Man Chu's and the American Eighties Space Ninja. I realised that Lee Van Clef's career had sunk so low, when he acted in that Tv series so far from the spagetti westerns he aced

[YUyahoo]

Alex did a good job on the artwork as always and in a way it is nice to see PGI get some recognition into BT lore by having their own chassis...but without masc, without ecm, without jump jets and with a low engine cap for all variants I really see no need for this mech. The only thing I do like about this mechpack is the introduction of 3 (new) colors as a pre-order bonus but that alone is not enough for me to want to spend money on this mech as it otherwise really doesn't add anything to the game (IMO at least).

Thanks, but I'll pass on this one

[SCHLIMMER BESTIMMER XXX]

when nobody´s looking all these drama queens gonna buy anyway xD
good features coming ahead and i am glad that pgi is working on mwo with such great effort d(@_@)d

Edited by SHRedo, 04 December 2016 - 06:52 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

The Birdeater, on 04 December 2016 - 06:29 AM, said:

What next.... AT-ST?



Come on PGI! you can make it happen!

Sure. But it may look more like THIS and move a lot faster.

[eggyh4ck99BarrelsAndRumAint1Yar]

100 billion stars in the Milky Way innersphere and everyone complains about a new weaponized Solaris loader chassis?
Isn't customizing and creating something everyone does in their own mech bay? But PGI isn't allowed to create anything new I suppose. Wtf is wrong with this fan base.

10/10 Will buy
Just to kill these mentally stunted nerds

[Uncle Totty]

eggyh4ck, on 04 December 2016 - 07:13 AM, said:

100 billion stars in the Milky Way innersphere and everyone complains about a new weaponized Solaris loader chassis?
Isn't customizing and creating something everyone does in their own mech bay? But PGI isn't allowed to create anything new I suppose. Wtf is wrong with this fan base.

10/10 Will buy
Just to kill these mentally stunted nerds

I am sorry. What is "new" about this? What "new" things does this bring?

(Does not even look tike it was made with real combat in mind. Just some construction mech someone slapped guns on "for shits-and-giggles".)

Edited by Uncle Totty, 04 December 2016 - 07:27 AM.

[Koniving]

Dee Eight, on 04 December 2016 - 03:33 AM, said:

This mech won't ship until AFTER the new skill tree happens and ALL mechs lose ALL their quirks.

Really?

Heh...heh heh...

I've been waiting for that skill tree overhaul since Paul personally told me about it in early 2013.
And if they drop the quirks I would like them to use Limb Specific Quirks only...

That is to say if X limb has a single energy hardpoint it might have a X% energy quirk... that does NOT affect ANY OTHER PART OF THE MECH or any other energy weapons.

....the way it should have been.

So.
Hopefully you're serious.
And PGI's serious.
Because I have waited for that goddamn overhaul since 2013.

[eggyh4ck99BarrelsAndRumAint1Yar]

Guess you'll have to find out in quick play when you're getting wrecked

[Aramuside]

ice trey, on 04 December 2016 - 02:38 AM, said:

Tourist troll game stronk

...but since when does Mechwarrior "Can't publish our player count" online put up sales figures for the mech packs, and why else would they justify making their own mechs when there are literally hundreds of canon ones to choose from?

I'm assuming this is supposed to be random gibberish or English isn't your first language?

If you bothered to pay attention you'd have noticed Russ has given out pack figures before, e.g. at the time of the Marauder IIC.

I know actually researching topics is out of favour before posting but at least try to do some basic research before spamming please.

Koniving, on 04 December 2016 - 02:50 AM, said:

Side note: Quirks request.
Do NOT quirk the torso structure or armor, instead focus those numbers on the arms and DO NOT SHRINK THE ARMs...

This mech could have a very different playstyle that I would absolutely love to use in which the arms could be used as shields without having to torso twist by using Arm Aiming... And this hasn't really been doable in a long time, so I'd really, really, rrrrrrreally appreciate keeping the long-as-heck arms with some good structure/armor buffs to the ARMS. Yeah.

Honestly this could be so much fun.
Even more if PGI heavily tonned down the FLD (front loaded damage) on most weapons (keep for missiles, Gauss and PPCs). Damage classes on weapons are meant for 5-to-10 second intervals, now to be done 3 to 18 times in 10 seconds or less. Wouldn't need silly things like energy draw.

Agreed but the Phoenix Hawk (as much as I personally love its playstyle) was hated by most players for the arm syndrome so there might be a riot.

[Koniving]

K19, on 04 December 2016 - 04:40 AM, said:

WTF ?????
MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries - Pre Alpha Gameplay Demo (Mech_Con 2016) Unerealy engein..... PGI dont like Cryteck hard work

Edit: Questions that come up while watching.
My first question... is how come MWO is nothing like this?

Spoiler

This is far more like the Mechwarrior players would have wanted, and even in an online multiplayer only setup it was STILL possible, MPBT3025 did it and the stories I've heard during its beta before Microsoft shut it down include logistics, supply lines, etc. A player from Zhizhu mercs told us about how they made a B line straight for the Davion capital planet without setting up garrisons or supply lines and in two nights the rest of Kurita realized what was going on and so the other players rushed to build garrisons and supply lines to keep the brazen team from stretching too thin. This stuff took time. Meanwhile, the Davions began diverting their forces from planet to planet until they concentrated a lot of what they had directly ahead of where the brazen team of Kurita players had to go to get to the capital. By this time though the advance stopped due to lack of supplies, putting them on the defense. They didn't last long due to the attrition of what little they had left preventing them from repairing or reloading any body parts or gear and eventually they lost all their mechs before the other Kurita forces could catch up and many of those conquered planets were reclaimed by Davion players. The B-line made was eventually surrounded and reclaimed by Davions as well.

My second question... is how come you are entering the mech through the front of the cockpit when the 3D model Clearly has a hatch in the rear that you can enter? You know, just a thought. Less likely to accidentally kill someone by stepping on the punch controls and such; also all mechs are entered from behind or on top.

Spoiler

(Technically the Shadow Hawk is entered from above on the 2nd gen. 5th gen is not explained.)

(Yep, that's supposed to be a scaled drawing too... SHK 2nd gens were less than 10 meters tall (supposed to be 9.63 meters). SHK 5th gens are just shy of 12 meters tall.)

BT scaled 2nd gen Shadow Hawk next to MWO's original scale for Shadow Hawks.

Third question.... Why do we still have Mech Rifles (FLD 1 shot then reload tank-like cannon) instead of Autocannons (magazine [Cassette] fed weapon that fires in singles at fully automatic rates or in bursts to deliver many bullets to net the categorized damage over time) -- unless maybe the FLD is gone for the AC? Even so the Armstrong AC/5 is an 80mm which is a 6 to 10 shot (to consume 1 'round' of ammo and 5 damage) AC/5 depending on the source. (Sarna example of a 120mm AC/5, the most common scale of autocannon shell among 5s, 10s and 20s, so while 3 does 5 damage, 6 does 10 and thusly 12 does 20. Reason for AC/20s having such poor range? They fire shells 4 times faster than AC/5s at whatever comparable size shell the two might be able to use. Note that AC/5s cap out at 120mm. AC/2s cap out at 90mm, which still isn't big enough for a single shell to do 2 damage.)

Fourth question; that after death explosion is what we have been asking for....for a long time. Why no after death explosion in MWO?

Comment: I don't think the Technician should be the guy to announce that the base should go on military alert.
Comment: Doesn't anyone use loud speakers? Hate to say it but having been a soldier a military base and having visited 4 other bases, even when people do have comms head gear, there is always an alert given over loudspeakers with a klaxxxon even for drills. The real thing? You bet your rear the entire area will know that an alert has been scrambled.

Fifth question: ....How come nothing scrambled on the orders to scramble? No vehicle support?

Sixth question: Why no in cockpit head-looking? That shadow at his feet, I guarantee there's a dropship above him. Could've been a smidge of extra drama there.

Seventh... Can we get THAT hud?
Comment: There's an iffy thing about the HUD though. Unless that's from hollographic screens... it doesn't move with the head and that's iffy because that gives the impression that it isn't a HUD on the neurohelm. Makes me sad.

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This said I'm excited.

Edited by Koniving, 04 December 2016 - 08:12 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Koniving, on 04 December 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

My first question... is how come MWO is nothing like this?
My second question... is how come you are entering the mech through the front of the cockpit when the 3D model Clearly has a hatch in the rear that you can enter?

1. It is work-in-progress.

2. It is work-in-progress.

[-morituri-]

So much hate

I love the design, although its purpose is questionable, if i were responsible i`d at least gave it JJ or MASC(now that one would be fun)

New stuff is OK, as long as it melds organically into lore..

[Koniving]

Aramuside, on 04 December 2016 - 07:28 AM, said:

Agreed but the Phoenix Hawk (as much as I personally love its playstyle) was hated by most players for the arm syndrome so there might be a riot.

On the Phoenix Hawk: I loved the arms. But the arms got no additional protection. Thus arm syndrome.

Unlike the Hawk though, the Roughneck has borish arms that look like they could be used as shields. In fact I would love a button to cross them in an X in front of me.

Edited by Koniving, 04 December 2016 - 08:14 AM.

[Christopher Hamilton]

ATTN: did anyone notice the error in the flavour text putting Ishiyama in Silesia ?
it is in Kobe. It is in the Kurita Quarter, not the Steiner Quarter.


Greetings from a Solarean Citizen,
C.Hamilton

[Koniving]

Christopher Hamilton, on 04 December 2016 - 08:21 AM, said:

ATTN: did anyone notice the error in the flavour text putting Ishiyama in Silesia ?
it is in Kobe. It is in the Kurita Quarter, not the Steiner Quarter.


Greetings from a Solarean Citizen,
C.Hamilton

I didn't, but good thing you pointed that out.

[TorinZ]

I think the concept looks pretty cool and matches up well with the lore that was provided. No issues with PGI creating their own design and releasing the sale when people were getting their first eyes on the Solaris 1v1 map at MechCon seemed like a good thing to me.

My only thing with the pack is, I wish one of the variants in the basic pack had more energy options. Having the ballistic and missile heavy designs fits the lore well but not giving many variations for a purchase. Will think about some builds and see if its worth it. Nice that there are some color unlocks in the early adopter rewards though.

[Sereglach]

Jack Shayu Walker, on 04 December 2016 - 02:39 AM, said:

lol. are your hopes fixed yet?

inb4 yes.

Not even remotely. Maybe after they actually deliver on their promises this time then I'll start to get my hopes up a little. Right now PGI is still sitting in a place where they need to prove themselves.

Great, so Alex and PGI got to create a unique mech that received the "canon" blessing from Randal Bills. Then they made some industrialmech atrocity that looks like it should be coming out of the Dark Ages and the terribly bombed Wizkids MechWarrior: Dark Ages Heroclix knock-off. Not only that, but they put it in the most oversaturated weight class in the most populated tonnage rating; and it's coming before a lot of iconic mechs that people have waited years for . . . including two mechs in this exact tonnage rating (Axman and Crusader) with one of them being a classic that's ripe for the picking.

PGI bombed hard on this decision, and for the most part the thread is reflecting that.

[Hagen von Tronje]

Its not Battletech....its no use...no money will be spilled.