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[Absit invidia]

heres some thing unrelated and related at the same time.
>watching youtube
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoFGJ4Urv9o
>see that a brony tries to insert his fandom's humor into the comment section
>tell him to stop and keep those comment for videos that relate to his hobbies and interests
>he does
> everthing went better than expected.
it was nice didnt have one of those [REDACTED] little youtube arguments , i asked him to stop and he did.

Edited by Viterbi, 27 July 2012 - 12:33 PM.
Derogatory language

[Aresye]

Mage man202, on 19 July 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

heres some thing unrelated and related at the same time.
>watching youtube
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoFGJ4Urv9o
>see that a brony tries to insert his fandom's humor into the comment section
>tell him to stop and keep those comment for videos that relate to his hobbies and interests
>he does
> everthing went better than expected.
it was nice didnt have one of those [REDACTED] little youtube arguments , i asked him to stop and he did.

Here's the actual exchange, for those who may have trouble finding the comment:

[Captain Fabulous]

Don't like drugs, don't do them.
Don't like abortions, don't get one.
Don't like contraceptives, don't use them.
Don't like gay marriage, don't marry someone of your gender.
Don't like ponies, don't watch it.

Moving on.

[Lou Cypher]

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the right to free speech involved deliberately insulting other members of the forum.

Just in this very reply itself, you are calling me a fanatic.

Still waiting on that proof btw.

You still appear to have a lack of understanding for my original post. I stated that People in general are ignorant, which is why there is so much hate. I also stated that I have no issues with the Brony/Furry lifestyle, yet you seem to have picked up somewhere that I am targetting you. The fanatasicm I spoke of is simple. You do not understand my post (ignorance) therefore you Hate my post and target it from that lack of understanding.

If this is not evidence of your fanaticism, then let me post you a definition of fanaticism so that you may perhaps grasp the concept before sending your next volley my way.

Fanaticism is a belief or behavior involving uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause or in some cases sports, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby.

Now if you would not mind please review my original post and see that I was not targetting anyone in particular, and allow yourself to become aware that I was not taking sides for either haters or Bronies.

[Margali]

Insidious Johnson, on 19 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

So what you are saying is, we need to worry about Bronies as the basic force undermining Western CIvilization? Alert Homeland Security!

If western civilization falls, I doubt bronies will be the cause.

All I'm saying is you guys are always competing with each other, and this is just another example of it.

Bronies, furries, Cheese heads, NASCAR fans, and those guys at Football games who paint their heads in team colors. Pretty much the same to me. People who found something they like and they don't care who knows it.

[Suprentus]

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

You're evading the question, just how you are also evading Catamount's question.

Oh did I now, or did I really just tell you how your questions are irrelevant and don't apply to me to begin with?

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

You say we get hate because we start multiple topics and push our crap everywhere, yet nobody is able to show any proof of that.

http://mwomercs.com/...-there-be-pony/

mwomercs.com/forums/topic/24156-why-all-the-hate-on-bronies-and-furries/

mwomercs.com/forums/topic/24155-pony-neutral-thread/

That would be multiple topics. Really though, I never said anything like "pushing your crap everywhere." Those are your words.

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

You say ponies don't belong in the off-topic sections, yet you do not complain about other topics that are also not related to BT/MW.

Well other topics aren't complete buzzkills. I don't see how that's still not getting across. That's the point that both you and catamount completely missed.

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Edit: And also no, I was not replying to you above.

That's curious, because only by replying to him do you really validate his own post and acknowledged yourself as a fanatic. Seriously, you kind of pwnd yourself by responding the way you did.

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the right to free speech involved deliberately insulting other members of the forum.

Just in this very reply itself, you are calling me a fanatic, but I will admit that's a bit lesser than the accusations of being a pedophile, man-child, furry, horse-f***er, autistic, retarded, chris chan, yiffer, clopper, neckbeard, and quite a few more from people who have come into OUR thread to insult us.

Is that your idea of free speech?

Still waiting on that proof btw.

Actually, that is exactly free speech. You try to quip against its perceived meaning, but that is exactly the meaning of free speech. Seriously, you should grow a thick skin. No one was targeting you to begin with, yet you're incredibly defensive over this.

[Aresye]

Suprentus, you are truly an interesting figure.

I asked for proof, not the proof being the one dedicated pony topic that we were are sitting nice and comfy in until somebody decided to create a thread to insult all of us.

One thread is not shoving our show down your throats. If you don't care for ponies, don't come in the one thread devoted to it. Plain and simple.

Those other threads were created because of this crapfest that started today, because when you start a topic focused on drama, the end result is you're going to get drama.

So, before today, your only proof of pony spam is the dedicated topic to it, which, if you feel insulted by the presence of one topic, I think you need to seek some help.

[Suprentus]

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Suprentus, you are truly an interesting figure.

I asked for proof, not the proof being the one dedicated pony topic that we were are sitting nice and comfy in until somebody decided to create a thread to insult all of us.

Try again, I gave you three.

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

One thread is not shoving our show down your throats. If you don't care for ponies, don't come in the one thread devoted to it. Plain and simple.

That was never my claim.

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Those other threads were created because of this crapfest that started today, because when you start a topic focused on drama, the end result is you're going to get drama.

So? By those arbitrary rules, they don't count?

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

So, before today, your only proof of pony spam is the dedicated topic to it, which, if you feel insulted by the presence of one topic, I think you need to seek some help.

Do you have selective memory or something? We went over this already. I never made one claim about spam, nor did I say I was insulted by it. Seriously, calm down, man, and gather your bearings. You're just ranting at every word you slightly perceive as a threat. You're looking waaaaay too much into this.

[Aresye]

Lou Cypher, on 19 July 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Now if you would not mind please review my original post and see that I was not targetting anyone in particular, and allow yourself to become aware that I was not taking sides for either haters or Bronies.

Lou Cypher, on 19 July 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

I can not say I "hate" Bronies/Furries, but I do feel that the publicly viewed majority tend to be a bit too fanatical about their lifestyle. I have no issues with someone liking MLP etc, but please keep it under control and prevent yourselves from jamming your beliefs/lifestyles down others throats as it brings you to the same point as "holier than thou" religious fanatics.

You say you have an unbiased approach, and then go on to say most of us are fanatically obsessed, and we need to keep ourselves under control, and stop jamming it down people's throats.

Sounds very unbiased to me.

And I am STILL waiting for you to prove, TO US, that before today, we were forcing MLP down people's throats, on this board, because that is what YOU said above.

If you're going to say it, you better play it.

This has nothing to do with the show anymore. This has everything to do with the fact you said something that you are NOT backing up, and if you won't be willing to back up the words YOU say, then don't say them.

[Bluey]

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

You say you have an unbiased approach, and then go on to say most of us are fanatically obsessed, and we need to keep ourselves under control, and stop jamming it down people's throats.

Sounds very unbiased to me.

And I am STILL waiting for you to prove, TO US, that before today, we were forcing MLP down people's throats, on this board, because that is what YOU said above.

If you're going to say it, you better play it.

This has nothing to do with the show anymore. This has everything to do with the fact you said something that you are NOT backing up, and if you won't be willing to back up the words YOU say, then don't say them.

They said you trolled them O_O I havent seen anything like that.

[Steve Varayis]

The reason I hate bronies? They have an ENTIRE FORUM dedicated to MLP, and yet they make a thread on a MECHWARRIOR ONLINE FORUM. That is why they should join that forum, let the let there be pony thread die out, and then there will be peace.

As for furries, I have no quarrel with them...

[Catamount]

So far, Suprentus's arguments if you boil them down to what they really are, amount to "ponies and furries don't belong on a BT/MW forum, because they don't, because they don't, because they don't". The complaint isn't that it's not BT/MW relevant, or that there is any more disruption of the rest of the community by these groups than otherwise occurs from general thread derailment inherent to the internet, since that hasn't been notably demonstrated, no; it's just that they're a "buzzkill". But that word doesn't really mean anything that amounts to an explanation; it's just an arbitrarily assigned term that amounts to another way of saying "I hate them being here", so it's just a rephrase of not wanting them here, not an explanation of why. Hence, the argument is "they don't belong here, just because they don't".

Okay, anyone is entitled to make such an argument, but I can't see how anyone would take it seriously since it doesn't answer the question at hand, as much as said poster dances around constantly trying to claim it does.


Of course, calmly explaining what one finds wrong with Suprentus' logic apparently elicits vitriolic responses that accuse one of "self-righteous rant[s]" (I don't think those words mean what he thinks they mean), but okay. I think I can live with that.

Edited by Catamount, 19 July 2012 - 06:24 PM.

[Bluey]

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

So far, Suprentus's arguments if you boil them down to what they really are, amount to "ponies and furries don't belong on a BT/MW forum, because they don't, because they don't, because they don't". The complaint isn't that it's not BT/MW irrelevant, or that there is any more disruption of the rest of the community by these groups than otherwise occurs from general thread derailment inherent to the internet, since that hasn't been notably demonstrated, no; it's just that they're a "buzzkill". But that word doesn't really mean anything that amounts to an explanation; it's just an arbitrarily assigned term that amounts to another way of saying "I hate them being here", so it's just a rephrase of not wanting them here, not an explanation of why. Hence, the argument is "they don't belong here, just because they don't".

Okay, anyone is entitled to make such an argument, but I can't see how anyone would take it seriously since it doesn't answer the question at hand, as much as said poster dances around constantly trying to claim it does.


Of course, calmly explaining what one finds wrong with Suprentus' logic apparently elicits vitriolic responses that accuse one of "self-righteous rant[s]" (I don't think those words mean what he thinks they mean), but okay. I think I can live with that.

Finally someone with senses
Furries and ponies is like a clan image and people fail to see it.
GooseSwarm already in mwo as LowTax.Some other elite clans already here.
They have mechs with BEES on them as early concept design.Everyone have a place on this forums cause I payed 120 to support the game like everyone else, I was here when they wont, I was supporting PGI when they had no website for MWO back in October 2011.Being furry and Battletech fan nothing to do with each other.

I dont need a bored 34 years old guy to tell me what to do
Oww thanks pa I wont be into cartoons again while Im in a gaming forums.

[Akaryu]

well the hate on bronies is mostly due to the fact that its everywhere on the net pretty much being shoved down peoples throats and they where hoping to find a pony free zone here but alas people keep spamming pony images where they arent wanted. so its more of a knee jerk reaction of "oh come on would you stop with the ponies for 10 freaking minutes!" as for the hate on furries most people see furries as just barely a step above the creepy guy that like to give his dog a bone and im not talking about the crunchy calcium rich variety... personally i dont really give a damn you like my little pony good for you not my cup of tea you enjoy looking at questionable images of half human half animal women or dressing in a bunny suit fine by me more smooth skinned women for me. but when you try to shove your ideals down my throat dont expect me to keep quiet and enjoy it.

[Catamount]

I'm not really looking at it from an ethical standpoint, even if I personally think all should be welcome here, and as someone who's actually been around enough to make more than 24 posts, have found no inordinate disruption by these groups (but I would point it out if I did; I'm an admitted nazi about thread tangents). I'm not looking at it from such a perspective, because that's just my arbitrary ethical standards, which mean nothing to anyone else here.

What isn't subjective is whether a poster's logic follows, and thus far, I find a couple posters in here have logic that is lacking, either because of some failure to grasp on my part, or because said poster(s) employ non sequitur reasoning. Given the insubstantial responses to my attempts to try to clarify said logic, the latter would seem to be the case


Addendum: On the subject of posting, I just counted, and almost every single one of Suprentus' 24 posts have been just in this thread. So this user has effectively contributed nothing to these forums, nothing at all, except walking in and telling two other groups of people that they aren't welcome here, and then getting into fights over it. Perhaps this is a bit self-righteous, and if so, so be it, but I find it ironic that this poster is telling people who have, in many cases, contributed far more than him to this community, including one of the co-founders (arguably, as he pushed most for it) and defacto manager of the tech support forum, that they aren't welcome here. If the price of them being here, actually contributing something to this community, unlike our non-contributing critic, is that they might want a thread to also talk about what they feel like, then I, for one, subjectively say that that's more than a fair tradeoff to have them feel welcome here and do what Suprentus hasn't thus far done: actually add something to the community.

Edited by Catamount, 19 July 2012 - 06:44 PM.

[Otto Cannon]

Akaryu, on 19 July 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

well the hate on bronies is mostly due to the fact that its everywhere on the net pretty much being shoved down peoples throats and they where hoping to find a pony free zone here but alas people keep spamming pony images where they arent wanted. so its more of a knee jerk reaction of "oh come on would you stop with the ponies for 10 freaking minutes!" as for the hate on furries most people see furries as just barely a step above the creepy guy that like to give his dog a bone and im not talking about the crunchy calcium rich variety... personally i dont really give a damn you like my little pony good for you not my cup of tea you enjoy looking at questionable images of half human half animal women or dressing in a bunny suit fine by me more smooth skinned women for me. but when you try to shove your ideals down my throat dont expect me to keep quiet and enjoy it.

Breathe, darnit, BREATHE!

Your lack of punctuation nearly killed the voice in my head reading it out.

[Akaryu]

Otto Cannon, on 19 July 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Breathe, darnit, BREATHE!

Your lack of punctuation nearly killed the voice in my head reading it out.

sorry punctuation has never really been my strong suit.

[Willpower]

PewPew, on 19 July 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

I generally believe people should enjoy what they want, but being a brony is something different.

1. The fact that there is a brony identity
People start watching it to be ironic then realize the show actually has merit, which is fine. The problem is, there are plenty of good shows out there other than MLP, yet these grown men shape their identity around this children's show. Any fan base that is extreme enough eventually get their own name e.g., trekkies. If you're identifying with Star Trek, it means you really like sci-fi. If you identify with MLP as a grown man, it generally means you're being a social misfit for the sake of being a social misfit. You can be a fan of a show without parading it in public or being dressed inappropriately.

2. Brony/furry identity has a bad image
Nerds understand bronies, but they dislike them because they create a bad image which normal folks will associate with all nerds. The dirty, disheveled, socially retarded nerd who can hardly dress himself or take care of himself. It is also assumed these people have a high likelihood to be nasty pedophiles. You don't see family men or many career men being bronies. An office worker isn't going to be wearing his MLP pin or bring an MLP lunchbox. The only bronies you see can't match an outfit for their life or maintain any semblance of a functioning member of society.

I have to agree that everyone should keep some immaturity or childlike nature when they grow up, but you can do that without being socially retarded. When you see a normal man and find out he has weird interests, he's just a quirky guy. When you see a man in a pony t-shirt, you can only assume he has some sort of developmental problem.

TL;DR You can be a fan of something but not shape your identity around it. Shaping your outward identity around a kids' show is silly, and when it's MLP, it's further outside the social norm and is often related to people who can't function in normal society.

Damion Wolf, on 19 July 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Wow. Just... wow.

You people are the reason the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was included in the Bible.

If you ever feel the need to justify what you are doing this badly, then you probably shouldn't be doing it.

These two guys expressed it way better than I did earlier.

Keep your silliness in your closet and don't shove it down our throats every time we turn around.

[Suprentus]

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

So far, Suprentus's arguments if you boil them down to what they really are, amount to "ponies and furries don't belong on a BT/MW forum, because they don't, because they don't, because they don't". The complaint isn't that it's not BT/MW irrelevant, or that there is any more disruption of the rest of the community by these groups than otherwise occurs from general thread derailment inherent to the internet, since that hasn't been notably demonstrated, no; it's just that they're a "buzzkill".

Yes. It's not a hard concept to understand. I don't know why you're trying to make it one.

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

But that word doesn't really mean anything that amounts to an explanation; it's just an arbitrarily assigned term that amounts to another way of saying "I hate them being here", so it's just a rephrase of not wanting them here, not an explanation of why. Hence, the argument is "they don't belong here, just because they don't".

Geez, do you really need me to explain what a buzzkill is to you? A generally accepted definition of buzzkill is "something that spoils or ruins an otherwise enjoyable event." Here's the kicker though: what constitutes as something that spoils or ruins an otherwise enjoyable event is subjective. If a subjective answer isn't good enough for you, then maybe you should learn how to recognize an opinion when you see one. In this case, I attempt to gauge not only my reaction to ponies and furries, but the reaction of "haters" in general. Sort of like trying to put my finger on the pulse of our social consciousness. My conclusion is as follows: mechs are cool, ponies and furries are not, and I am not the only one who holds this opinion.

Really, that's all it boils down to. It's an opinion. Could you really expect anything other than an opinionated response to a question of opinion? Someone asked the simple question why people don't like seeing pony threads, and my explanation is "mechs are cool, ponies and furries are not."

Once again, it's an opinion. Someone asked the simple question why people don't like seeing pony threads, and my explanation is "mechs are cool, ponies and furries are not."

Look around, and you can see other people in this thread posting pretty much the same explanation I did. Clearly, my explanation of why people don't like seeing pony threads isn't too far off the mark.

Now some have taken this explanation as either an attack, or as something failing the test of objectivity when the answer was subjective to begin with. To those I say, you totally miss the point, and you don't even know what you're arguing about anymore.

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Okay, anyone is entitled to make such an argument, but I can't see how anyone would take it seriously since it doesn't answer the question at hand, as much as said poster dances around constantly trying to claim it does.

Q: Why all the hate on bronies and furries?
A: mechs are cool, ponies and furries are not

That's an answer. Just because you reject it doesn't mean it's not an answer. Try having an open mind when reading people's posts.

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Of course, calmly explaining what one finds wrong with Suprentus' logic apparently elicits vitriolic responses that accuse one of "self-righteous rant[s]" (I don't think those words mean what he thinks they mean), but okay. I think I can live with that.

I am vitriolic, huh? (I don't think that word means what you think it means) I don't think self-righteous rants mean a sense of smug moral sense of moral superiority? Given that I single out bronies and furries for my own "ire" (which is a complete lie), I'd say that description was pretty accurate of your rant.

[Aresye]

Since none of you decided to rise up to the challenge and show proof of bronies on this forum shoving ponies in people's faces, I decided to take the liberty myself. The results to me are...not shocking.

First off we have a picture of the Jettisoned Communication sub-forum:

- First pony topic created since the existence of the Let There Be Pony thread was started by a non-brony.
- All other pony topics created have been created by non-bronies, or folks who have 1 or 2 replies in the pony topic, with no affiliation of being a brony.

Next, a search was conducted on the entire forum on thread titles containing the word pony:

- The only brony related topic outside the main pony thread, created by bronies, is a recruitment topic, which is allowed under the rules.
- The other topic is the dedicated furry topic which showed up due to having pony in the topic name.
- "Pony up the cash," is not a brony topic.

Lastly, a search was conducted on the entire forum on any content containing the word pony:

- The only thread to mention pony besides the ones addressed above, is the Outreach topic. Further examination into the topic revealed it was a couple members wondering what was going on in the Jettisoned Communication, today.

From this research, I feel comfortable saying that us bronies have stuck to our one topic, pretty darn well, and the majority of topics created today were either by non-bronies, or haters.

The evidence is right in front of you. You're complaining over behavior none of the bronies on this forum have participated in. If you wish the further argue, I suggest you look it up yourself, before you go throwing accusations about.

Good night, sleep tight. I'm out.