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Revis Volek, on 23 December 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

IMO XL atlas is a waste of the quirks...

Can take you out with a alpha or two, defeats the purpose of the mech and its quirks but thats just me.


I also dont own a BH so maybe im full of sh*t lol.

BH wears the XL okay because of the range and/or sheer front-loadedness of the damage you get out of pulse lasers.

Just don't put a Gauss in there.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Nothing is tanky in this game because we added DHS. And then we added clans. And then we added more hardpoint inflation. And more mechs that can carry more guns.

That said, the trick to an atlas is a competent team that can win trades without you contributing, then spearheading a mop up push in a completely fresh 100t assault and basically killing all the softened mechs in one or two volleys. But that is hardly a viable strategy right now, because it involves counting on your team for something.

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 23 December 2016 - 01:58 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Snazzy Dragon, on 23 December 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

Nothing is tanky in this game because we added DHS. And then we added clans. And then we added more hardpoint inflation. And more mechs that can carry more guns.

That said, the trick to an atlas is a competent team that can win trades without you contributing, then spearheading a mop up push in a completely fresh 100t assault and basically killing all the softened mechs in one or two volleys. But that is hardly a viable strategy right now, because it involves counting on your team for something.

A bit off base...

DHS and Hardpoint inflation have always been around and Clans arent as big of a problem in this game as they were in TT. PGI has the best resemblance of a 1:1 balance in this game then any other by a long shot.

A lot of stuff happened before Feb 2016

[Snazzy Dragon]

Revis Volek, on 23 December 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

A bit off base...

DHS and Hardpoint inflation have always been around and Clans arent as big of a problem in this game as they were in TT. PGI has the best resemblance of a 1:1 balance in this game then any other by a long shot.

A lot of stuff happened before Feb 2016

You assume this is my only account.

[Revis Volek]

Snazzy Dragon, on 23 December 2016 - 02:04 PM, said:

You assume this is my only account.

I assume the punchline of my jokes...

Thats is all.

[Amsro]

Revis Volek, on 23 December 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

IMO XL atlas is a waste of the quirks...

Can take you out with a alpha or two, defeats the purpose of the mech and its quirks but thats just me.


I also dont own a BH so maybe im full of sh*t lol.

No it is true, but a speedy atlas shows up early and the medium mechs hate it.

It is my only XL atlas, for obvious reasons.

[Remains Intact]

The atlas is badass (i've probably got 500-1000 drops in them). Do not buy the atlas unless your stats are in the top 20% of players (via readily available stats). You also need extremely good map and game knowledge to the point of being omniscient.

Essentially if you suck at the game, you are going to suck in an atlas. If you are good at the game, and highly intelligent/strategic, at WORST you are going to pull your weight.

It is TRULY a mech that can only be piloted well by the most experienced and skilled Inner sphere warriors. (hows that for the game reflecting lore).

[Revis Volek]

Amsro, on 23 December 2016 - 02:08 PM, said:

No it is true, but a speedy atlas shows up early and the medium mechs hate it.

It is my only XL atlas, for obvious reasons.

If nothing else, you do have the element of surprise on your side.

Remains Intact, on 23 December 2016 - 02:20 PM, said:

The atlas is badass (i've probably got 500-1000 drops in them). Do not buy the atlas unless your stats are in the top 20% of players (via readily available stats). You also need extremely good map and game knowledge to the point of being omniscient.

Essentially if you suck at the game, you are going to suck in an atlas. If you are good at the game, and highly intelligent/strategic, at WORST you are going to pull your weight.

It is TRULY a mech that can only be piloted well by the most experienced and skilled Inner sphere warriors. (hows that for the game reflecting lore).

lolz

[Kaeb Odellas]

Amsro, on 23 December 2016 - 02:08 PM, said:

No it is true, but a speedy atlas shows up early and the medium mechs hate it.

It is my only XL atlas, for obvious reasons.

But a Spirit Bear can get there faster and is just as scary up close

[Corrado]

adamts01, on 23 December 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

RIP

Back in Beta you could actually tank with this thing. There's just zero place for it in the game, especially when a single Locust alpha is all it takes to overcome it's structural bonus. Sad days, sad days indeed.

THE BOAR'S HEAD 134 74 54 1.37 169 82 2.06 67,284 228,944
13:32:16
Sorry bro. 5LPL, STD350, insane survival quirks, heat quirks... still a good machine. i blame the pilots.

Edited by Corrado, 23 December 2016 - 03:45 PM.

[Remains Intact]

Mech' Matches Played Wins Losses Ratio Kills Deaths Ratio Damage Done XP Earned Time Played
ATLAS AS7-S(L) 677 411 263 1.56 879 533 1.65 285,716 704,597 2 days 14:41:19
That's 61% win rate soloQ taking a t1 slot. Mech is just fine.

Revis Volek, on 23 December 2016 - 02:31 PM, said:

lolz

[adamts01]

Yeonne Greene, on 23 December 2016 - 11:47 AM, said:

Yes it can. 4x ERLL + Gauss is Assault-grade firepower. 5x or 6x LPL is assault-grade firepower. 3x PPC + Gauss is assault-grade firepower (though this one gets gimped by PGI's ghost heat...IS should be able to fire three of these without penalty to rival the Clan's 2Gauss+2PPC nonsense).

You're definition of "assault grade firepower" is at least a year old. I wish those were examples of assault grade firepower, but they're actually examples of heavy firepower. You even argued my point here, the Clans just out class this thing. Even those energy boat builds, the Clans can just stack 2xLPLs and a bunch of MLs and do it better. It's sad. What we've learned is firepower and hardpoint location beat armor every time. If the Atlas is going to be gimped at normal fighting ranges, then it either needs more firepower quirks or much, much, much more armor. I lean towards armor, as this game could use a tank, and low ttk and power creep suck.

Remains Intact, on 23 December 2016 - 02:20 PM, said:

It is TRULY a mech that can only be piloted well by the most experienced and skilled Inner sphere warriors. (hows that for the game reflecting lore).

If only the best players can hold their own in it, then it's a bad mech. I'm all fr having hard mode mechs with a high skill ceiling, but the reward should scale as well. That isn't the case here.

Corrado, on 23 December 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

Sorry bro. 5LPL, STD350, insane survival quirks, heat quirks... still a good machine. i blame the pilots.

I'm not spending real $ on the game, so I'll never know. It only has 10% heat reduction and 10% range.... Doesn't that build get hot?

[Amsro]

Kaeb Odellas, on 23 December 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

But a Spirit Bear can get there faster and is just as scary up close

Hmm.. pretty sure it is the same EXACT speed. XL400 is 69.7 for both the kodiak and atlas.

[DrxAbstract]

Revis Volek, on 23 December 2016 - 10:53 AM, said:

Oh boy, we got a bad *** here.

And pray tell what comp team you play for sir?

He does have a point, although he could have had more tact...

Divisions in MRBC work the same as any sport in that you have your tryhard levels and your casual levels. Tiers are basically (Albeit not entirely accurate) Divisions, so to say Splatlas shows up in "Division C" is comparable to them showing up in Tier 3, which is his point. Something got lost in translation though because 'comp' is synonymous with 'elite' in MWO when, more accurately, it's a generalized categorization of players with a preferred method of gameplay... Fundamentally the same as any categorically applied label: Skirmisher, Brawler, Sniper, etc.

Getting back to what he said, it poses an interesting question: Are there any Atlai in the upper echelons of comp play?

[Y E O N N E]

adamts01, on 23 December 2016 - 07:04 PM, said:

You're definition of "assault grade firepower" is at least a year old. I wish those were examples of assault grade firepower, but they're actually examples of heavy firepower.

No, it's not. Not unless you consider the KDK-3's payload also "Heavy" grade since it's just two cUAC/10 with two cUAC/5, and we can get 3x cUAC/10 onto a Night Gyr. The PPC-Gauss is also mostly a wash against the 40 points the NTG can spit out, with the extra 10 points being traded for dramatically shorter exposure time.

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You even argued my point here, the Clans just out class this thing. Even those energy boat builds, the Clans can just stack 2xLPLs and a bunch of MLs and do it better. It's sad. What we've learned is firepower and hardpoint location beat armor every time. If the Atlas is going to be gimped at normal fighting ranges, then it either needs more firepower quirks or much, much, much more armor. I lean towards armor, as this game could use a tank, and low ttk and power creep suck.

2x cLPLs and a bunch of cERMLs is Heavy grade. It has neither the range nor the more front-loaded punch that massed isLLs and isLPLs have, especially when they are combined with Gauss. Taking a one-two hit from isLPLs is effectively like getting slammed by a 440 meter AC33 and an AC/22. It's why the second-best Assault is still the Battlemaster.

[adamts01]

Amsro, on 23 December 2016 - 07:15 PM, said:

Hmm.. pretty sure it is the same EXACT speed. XL400 is 69.7 for both the kodiak and atlas.

Lots of problems here. The Atlas can only equip up to a 360, and let's be honest, it has to be a std motor and the Kodiak can run an XL. This gives the Kodiak more speed, more firepower, better cooling, more space, more agility, and higher mounts.

Yeonne Greene, on 23 December 2016 - 07:38 PM, said:

No, it's not. Not unless you consider the KDK-3's payload also "Heavy" grade since it's just two cUAC/10 with two cUAC/5, and we can get 3x cUAC/10 onto a Night Gyr. The PPC-Gauss is also mostly a wash against the 40 points the NTG can spit out, with the extra 10 points being traded for dramatically shorter exposure time.

People stopped running UACs before I left 6 months ago, that hasn't been the meta for a while. And your Night Gyr example proves my point, that your "assault-grade firepower" is from yester-year.

[Y E O N N E]

adamts01, on 23 December 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

People stopped running UACs before I left 6 months ago, that hasn't been the meta for a while. And your Night Gyr example proves my point, that your "assault-grade firepower" is from yester-year.

Wrong. It's been in for quite awhile, and still is. It's still one of the two comp builds for the KDK-3, depending on how you want to play the map. EmP frequently has one KDK-3 on Gauss duty, the other on Dakka duty.

No disrespect, but you are the one who is out of the loop.

[adamts01]

Yeonne Greene, on 23 December 2016 - 07:47 PM, said:

Wrong. It's been in for quite awhile, and still is. It's still one of the two comp builds for the KDK-3, depending on how you want to play the map. EmP frequently has one KDK-3 on Gauss duty, the other on Dakka duty.

No disrespect, but you are the one who is out of the loop.

Fair enough. All I know is I stopped seeing them in normal usage before I left the game and I haven't seen a single one in the 100 or so matches I've played since I've been back. PPC Gauss is just so much more versatile. But yeah, I don't follow around the compo crowd like a little lost puppy like a lot of guys around here.

[Y E O N N E]

adamts01, on 23 December 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Fair enough. All I know is I stopped seeing them in normal usage before I left the game and I haven't seen a single one in the 100 or so matches I've played since I've been back. PPC Gauss is just so much more versatile. But yeah, I don't follow around the compo crowd like a little lost puppy like a lot of guys around here.

People started using them in QP less because PGI made it less easy-mode when they "fixed" the ghost heat on the 4xcUAC/10 and then again when they gave it the BLR-1G/3M treatment to the torso yaw. Now it takes a bit more awareness in positioning, but it's still a commanding presence.

Gauss/PPC is inherently harder to use, so when dakka is less easy it won't necessarily be made up in quantity by Gauss/PPC proliferation. Most will just switch to another 'Mech.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 23 December 2016 - 08:02 PM.

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adamts01, on 23 December 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

Lots of problems here. The Atlas can only equip up to a 360, and let's be honest, it has to be a std motor and the Kodiak can run an XL. This gives the Kodiak more speed, more firepower, better cooling, more space, more agility, and higher mounts.

People stopped running UACs before I left 6 months ago, that hasn't been the meta for a while. And your Night Gyr example proves my point, that your "assault-grade firepower" is from yester-year.

I think the Atlas he is referring to is the BH which sports an XL400. So it can match the Kodiak in terms of Speed.

-ST