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[Lupis Volk]

Aren't hero mechs meant to be special snowflakes and be different than rather being just a normal mech just on steroids?

[The6thMessenger]

Lupis Volk, on 07 January 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

Aren't hero mechs meant to be special snowflakes and be different than rather being just a normal mech just on steroids?

[Bishop Steiner]

Lupis Volk, on 07 January 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

Aren't hero mechs meant to be special snowflakes and be different than rather being just a normal mech just on steroids?

that is the general idea, yes. But shhhh... you might upset a precious snowflakes dream of Dakka Krabs.....

[Amsro]

King Crab with 18 Ballistic Slots, 9 in each arm.

Oh the glorious MG mayhem!!

[Kangarad]

shh. there can only be 2E arms and 2M1B ST's on a KGC Hero. because everyone knows. 4 low energy hard points are too cripling to make this OP.

theres also a 2E Arms + 3E St's pure energy variant of the KGC. Hot stuff.

or

1B arms with 1E+3M st's

much symmetry.

I can live with any of those.


Or well any KGC hero at all. KGC are murder machines. with just eought hardpoints to kill stuff.


need machinegun arrays tho.

Edited by Kangarad, 07 January 2017 - 04:58 PM.

[Lupis Volk]

Amsro, on 07 January 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

King Crab with 18 Ballistic Slots, 9 in each arm.

Oh the glorious MG mayhem!!

I'd rather a Hero Crab with SRM's in one arm and MG's in the others.

[NighthawK1337]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 January 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

I'm just listing options, and going for "different"... but I don-t really see that many LRMers, tbh, so I'm fine with some. And yeah... 4 AMS and ECM seem like overkill.... but have you ever been caught in a LRM rain in a Krab? Only targets I like more are Direwolves, when I'm LRMing.

Oh yeah that's one of the biggest problem with the KGC. The KGC was my 2nd ever mech next to TBR, I know firsthand that the wide top is a magnet to LRMs. Even just an ECM variant would take it out of obscurity, The Atlas DDC still sees use because of the ECM, so an energy + ECM variant would really help the KGC on top of the AMS. However I think mixing the 2 isn't worth it, Either go full AMS or only ECM. I main NVAs and KFXs so I'd prefer 3 AMS since it also stops NARCs but it costs more tonnage, overall they'd weigh the same since Guardian ECM is also 1.5 tons but AMS would need more ammo.

Lupis Volk, on 07 January 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

Aren't hero mechs meant to be special snowflakes and be different than rather being just a normal mech just on steroids?

Pretty much this.

Edited by NighthawK1337, 07 January 2017 - 06:41 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Quirks:
TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): +35.00 %
ARMOR BONUS (LA): +17.00
ARMOR BONUS (RA): +17.00

New Quirks
BALLISTIC COOLDOWN: 10%
BALLISTIC VELOCITY: 10%
AC5 VELOCITY: 5%
MISSILE VELOCITY: 5%
LRM5 VELOCITY: 15%
SRM VELOCITY: 5%
ENERGY RANGE: 10.00 %
ENERGY HEAT GENERATION: -15.00 %
PPC VELOCITY: +15.00 %
PPC HEAT GENERATION: -20.00 %
AMS RATE OF FIRE: 50%

The quriks are iffy, i removed the PPC velocity in favor of immense ppc heat generation and improved general heat generation. Having removed he LB10 into AC5, i don't want to touch the DPS part so i simply added velocity quirks. As for the MISSILES, i just added small missiles as well.

How's this for the new pulsar? Note, the Missile Hardpoints would be at the "Forehead" and, along the spine. The green is the entire missile rack, and the yellow dots are the specific missile tube.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 07 January 2017 - 10:52 PM.

[Hit the Deck]

That is a better thought out version of the Pulsar!

Some (energy) quirks need toning down, though.

[The6thMessenger]

Hit the Deck, on 07 January 2017 - 11:09 PM, said:

That is a better thought out version of the Pulsar!

Some (energy) quirks need toning down, though.

I was thinking of going with the Black-Widow direction too.



Quirks:
TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): +25.00 %
ARMOR BONUS (LA): +17.00
ARMOR BONUS (RA): +17.00

New Quirks:
MACHINE GUN RANGE: 50%
MACHINE GUN RATE OF FIRE: 50%
MISSILE COOLDOWN: 5%
MISSILE VELOCITY: 5%
LRM5 COOLDOWN: 10%
LRM5 VELOCITY: 10%
ENERGY HEAT GENERATION: -10.00 %
PPC VELOCITY: +20.00 %
PPC HEAT GENERATION: -10.00 %
AMS RATE OF FIRE: 50%

Same missile racks on the spine. This version however, is the torso-dakka version, like how the Dakka is paywalled on the Black Widow, assuming that many is on board with a pay-to-optimize. To prevent the more effective dakka, i'd remove the ballistic quirks, saved for the MG.

Like the last time, quirks are IFFY cause i know squat about balancing something like this, but that is the spirit of the new Pulsar. The AMS might be overkill, but honestly i've piloted a King Crab and i would say, i'd put an ECM too -- but why it's balanced i would presume is that it eats up a lot of tonnage.

Here's the new lore too.

Quote

KGC-B0531 King Crab ("Pulsar")

Designed around year 3051, The KGC-B0531 "Pulsar" is a pet project led by the chief-engineer Yuna Cassel of the Comstar Techs, competing for the title of "Clanbuster" but lost to a way simpler idea to retrofit the original King Crab, the KGC-001 upon the year 3052. The variant still exist, and can be bought made-to-order, but is too expensive for mass production armies and only sought market with rich collectors and private mercenaries, and use with home-planet defense such as the Royal Guards.

Particularly a deviant design, it was armed by two PPCs matching the damage rating of a single AC20, in each arms totaling of four, as opposed of autocannons or even gauss-rifles. This solved the ammunition shortages of the original King-Crab, relying on the reactor instead, as well as the faster projectile allowed it to hit targets much easier. Among the armaments are 4 machine-guns, two on each side-torso, as well as Anti-Missile System of equal count at each side torso to shield the mech from missiles. And situated on the center torso and the head, are three LRM5 racks upon the spine and face. The engine is upgraded to STD 310 slightly faster movement speed, and it has four external double-heat-sinks to make the mech fairly cool.

The KGC-B0531 "Pulsar" is a particularly problematic design, due to it's deviant nature, weapons have to be custom-fit, and collaboration from other manufacturers were made, with assets exported from planet to planets, resulting into a needlessly expensive 'Mech. The meticulous custom-fitting of weapons however, allowed increased efficiency of performance, such as the PPCs heat is dissipated faster and faster projectiles, machine-guns and AMS that hit farther and shoot faster, and the LRM rack with faster missile delivery.

Upon the year 3069, the design schematic of the Pulsar were unearthed from the facility captured by Corsara Weaponries, serving as an inspiration for the improved KGC-008.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 07 January 2017 - 11:45 PM.

[Hit the Deck]

The6thMessenger, on 07 January 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

I was thinking of going with the Black-Widow direction too.

Please don't because you know what will happen to those four Machine Guns.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Hit the Deck, on 07 January 2017 - 11:39 PM, said:

Please don't because you know what will happen to those four Machine Guns.

They'll be replaced with UAC5s in the torsos and the king crab will have high mounts, but will still be outclassed by a cyclops doing the same thing because of geometry and height and it will still be strictly inferior to the atlas for brawling and it will still be strictly inferior to the kodiak and the Marauder-IIC.

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 07 January 2017 - 11:42 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Hit the Deck, on 07 January 2017 - 11:39 PM, said:

Please don't because you know what will happen to those four Machine Guns.

Snazzy Dragon, on 07 January 2017 - 11:41 PM, said:

They'll be replaced with UAC5s in the torsos and the king crab will have high mounts, but will still be outclassed by a cyclops doing the same thing because of geometry and height and it will still be strictly inferior to the atlas for brawling and it will still be strictly inferior to the kodiak and the Marauder-IIC.

Snazzy Dragon kind of pointed it out, but i do share the concern, i do know that it's pay-to-optimize. While maybe it's a little factor, it doesn't come with bonified dakka quirks, i even lessened the turn-rate to 25%.

[Hit the Deck]

The6thMessenger, on 07 January 2017 - 11:45 PM, said:

...
Snazzy Dragon kind of pointed it out, but i do share the concern, i do know that it's pay-to-optimize. While maybe it's a little factor, it doesn't come with bonified dakka quirks, i even lessened the turn-rate to 25%.

I guess the main attraction of the Hero is the Energy hardpoints looking at the name (Pulsar).

People will not honor the spirit of your King Crab Hero on the v2.

[The6thMessenger]

Hit the Deck, on 08 January 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

I guess the main attraction of the Hero is the Energy hardpoints looking at the name (Pulsar).

People will not honor the spirit of your King Crab Hero on the v2.

Sure, i know that, people are free to build as they want, hell even without that 2B on each ballistic, people can still use LPLs instead of PPCs, or just put ERLLs. You can't really force people to play a certain build, to play a certain way. While i am sure that people will just use 4x UAC5 there, then again there will be others that would use PPC as well, just as King Crab is used for the fun, so is it's AC20 builds, not because it's the best performing Assault. Likewise not everyone run on meta and just want to enjoy the game.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 08 January 2017 - 12:29 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

The6thMessenger, on 08 January 2017 - 12:20 AM, said:

Sure, i know that, people are free to build as they want, hell even without that 2B on each ballistic, people can still use LPLs instead of PPCs, or just put ERLLs. You can't really force people to play a certain build, to play a certain way. While i am sure that people will just use 4x UAC5 there, then again there will be others that would use PPC as well, just as King Crab is used for the fun, so is it's AC20 builds, not because it's the best performing Assault. Likewise not everyone run on meta and just want to enjoy the game.

I mean in comparison to the v1. On that thing, people will use the Energy hardpoints as intended.

[The6thMessenger]

Hit the Deck, on 08 January 2017 - 01:06 AM, said:

I mean in comparison to the v1. On that thing, people will use the Energy hardpoints as intended.

Of course, not like they have any choice.

[Lupis Volk]

Honestly i'd buy that KGC-B0531 King Crab ("Pulsar"). All you need to do is show off the paint and that'll either cause me to stuff dollars at my screen or pelt plastic at it in an attempt to buy it.

[Herodes]

I'd pay cold hard cash for the -010 variant with the red PPC lighting. Any day. Twice.

Spheroid, on 06 January 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

The KC is obsolete. It has been for quite some time.

Yeah, so what? Time to make it rise again. It is pretty, it is unique, and it has flavour. Not just power and meta.

Bombast, on 06 January 2017 - 09:44 PM, said:

That's only got 4 Machine Guns though. Imagine what you could do with 4 Machine Guns in each arm.

Actually, now I kinda want to be dumb and do a sextuple Machine Gun King Crab. Uh oh.

I occasionally use 6 MGs on a KGC. Trolling on hot maps when it gets brawly and I am the only one not needing to cool off

[The6thMessenger]

Lupis Volk, on 08 January 2017 - 03:09 AM, said:

Honestly i'd buy that KGC-B0531 King Crab ("Pulsar"). All you need to do is show off the paint and that'll either cause me to stuff dollars at my screen or pelt plastic at it in an attempt to buy it.

Probably a black base paint, with bunch of dots for stars, and a nebula on the torso.