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[Gas Guzzler]

Man, Locust IIC with 9 Micro Pulse lasers anyone? That sounds great. Even just the 6 cSPL would be great.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 March 2017 - 08:36 AM, said:

Which is truly shame... People complain "Clams OP" then vote for garbage PoS mechs that they like from the old days, then complain about how IS mechs are bad and "Clams OP" again. Its insanity, literally.

Personally I'm really hoping that the look at how close the Thanatos and Crusader are and just go for the Thanatos since its newer and more interesting.

A 2017 Chevy Cruze

is never than a 1955 Chevy Nomad.

Are you really going to tell me being newer makes the Cruze better and more interesting than a Nomad? (and from a pure technical standpoint the Cruze actually does outperform the Nomad, from pretty much all margins. Nomad: 0-60 in 14.7 seconds, Top Speed: 91 mph, MPG: 13.3. Cruze: : 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, Top Speed: 125 mph, MPG: 30+.)

For the sterile pocket protecter clad accountant, the Cruze Checks off every box. For the "Car Guy"? It's a bland lifeless box with all the character of tupperware. Car guy will take the technically inferior Nomad 10 times out of 10, bad gas mileage, inferior acceleration and safety features and all.

Perhaps that is the difference between a Tryhard and a Grognard. We care more about the passion and character of the product than the spreadsheet performance. So, enjoy your pocket protectors, comp guys!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 March 2017 - 09:46 AM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Shouldn't you be using the Chevelle or something instead of the Nomad? My dad is a car guy and I've never heard him go on about a Nomad (but have about the Chevelle, several times).

[Widowmaker1981]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 March 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

A 2017 Chevy Cruze

is never than a 1955 Chevy Nomad.

Are you really going to tell me being newer makes the Cruze better and more interesting than a Nomad? (and from a pure technical standpoint the Cruze actually does outperform the Nomad, from pretty much all margins)

Well, im not a fan of the Cruze, but that Nomad is absolutely fugly in my opinion (just goes to show beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 March 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

A 2017 Chevy Cruze

is never than a 1955 Chevy Nomad.

Are you really going to tell me being newer makes the Cruze better and more interesting than a Nomad? (and from a pure technical standpoint the Cruze actually does outperform the Nomad, from pretty much all margins. Nomad: 0-60 in 14.7 seconds, Top Speed: 91 mph, MPG: 13.3. Cruze: : 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, Top Speed: 125 mph, MPG: 30+.)

For the sterile pocket protecter clad accountant, the Cruze Checks off every box. For the "Car Guy"? It's a bland lifeless box with all the character of tupperware. Car guy will take the technically inferior Nomad 10 times out of 10, bad gas mileage, inferior acceleration and safety features and all.

Perhaps that is the difference between a Tryhard and a Grognard. We care more about the passion and character of the product than the spreadsheet performance. So, enjoy your pocket protectors, comp guys!

I'd take the Cruze out of those two, better fuel economy, and the Nomad does NOTHING for me.

But I would take a Chevelle/442/Impala over the Cruze, but those aren't even my preferred vehicles (I drive a 2006 Pontiac GTO, favorite car in the world is a 1984 Ferrari 288 GTO)

Either way I get your point, but I'm still going to complain about people wanting to add garbage to the game because they like it.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 March 2017 - 09:50 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 17 March 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

Shouldn't you be using the Chevelle or something instead of the Nomad? My dad is a car guy and I've never heard him go on about a Nomad (but have about the Chevelle, several times).

Muscle Cars? Sure. But that's weekend car guy stuff. Real bowties guys know the Nomad. (sorry!) And I chose it because it was one of the favorites of it's era, a rare collector piece today, and blatantly inferipor in all technical standpoints.

But sure, go use a Chevelle, Torino, etc, and the point is still largely the same.

Heck, the V6 Mustang of today outperforms the Stock Mustangs of yesterday... but it still isn't going to get a car guy's heart racing like a 64.5 Mustang Fastback 289 , or a 69 Mach 1, etc.

I could have used the 58 Studebaker Golden Hawk, just as easily (first factory supercharged car) like the one my Dad had (along with a 55 Nomad with a blown 455, and his 67 Jaguar E-type and 73 AMC Javelin... and a lot more... as a kid we had about 20 antique, classic and muscle cars in the garage and in storage).

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 17 March 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

Shouldn't you be using the Chevelle or something instead of the Nomad? My dad is a car guy and I've never heard him go on about a Nomad (but have about the Chevelle, several times).

Station-wagons....

To put it in a better context...

2015 GT 500 Mustang




1976 GT 500 Mustang




By every technical spec the 2015 kicks the stuffing out of the '67, but the '67 looks nicer.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 March 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

I'd take the Cruze out of those two, better fuel economy, and the Nomad does NOTHING for me.

But I would take a Chevelle/442/Impala over the Cruze, but those aren't even my preferred vehicles (I drive a 2006 Pontiac GTO, favorite car in the world is a 1984 Ferrari 288 GTO)

Either way I get your point, but I'm still going to complain about people wanting to add garbage to the game because they like it.

As long as you get the point. I happen to love any pre-996 body Porsche 911 Turbo, pretty much as the epitome of driving (though a 93-96 era Mazda RX7 works well for me, too). And for Americana, I'm a dyed in the wool Mopar guy. (First car? 1970 Challenger 440... far from stock).

But even the most amazeballz racer of today... lacks something (IMO) compared to the character of these older beasts. I mean that 84 288 has nothing on a Modena or newer Ferrari.... but which one revs you up?

A Crotchrocket is objectively superior to a Cruiser, in all measurables. I loathe crotch rockets, and love cruisers and cafe racers.

If MWO is ALL one or the other... the game is boring. Variety keeps things interesting and a healthier playerbase. Look how well my Urbanmechs sold, and while not super common in drops, how passionate their pilots are about them? Or how well received my little K9 is?

Metus regem, on 17 March 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

Station-wagons....

To put it in a better context...

2015 GT 500 Mustang




1976 GT 500 Mustang




By every technical spec the 2015 kicks the stuffing out of the '67, but the '67 looks nicer.

Modern Mustang or the Bullitt Mustang.... which gets car guys talking?


And the Bullitt was a plain jane, UGLY green 68 Mustang. Literally nothign special...aside from being driven by the epitome of cool (Steve McQueen) and being the focal point of the best practical chase scene ever filmed.

Heck, McQueen as Frank Bullitt exudes such a calm and cool, I freely admit, he actually is what I based the archetype for my Bishop Steiner RPG character on.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 March 2017 - 10:00 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Widowmaker1981, on 17 March 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

Well, im not a fan of the Cruze, but that Nomad is absolutely fugly in my opinion (just goes to show beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

Love it or hate it though...it evokes a response. That is passion. The Cruze? It's a tool. You can't really hate it, but you will never love it, either. It just...exists. TBH, that is kind of how I feel in the cockpits of most of my Clan Mechs... sterile. Practical. Boring. No character. (Which, lorewise, is exactly how they are supposed to feel).

Inner Sphere? Idiosyncratic. Inefficient. Well worn, etc.

For concealed carry, I use a modern polymer wonder 9 (usually. My fondness for Makarov's sometimes overrides pure practicality). What do I collect? Hand fitted ancient, usually military firearms, that have a craftsmanship and character that modern, more precise and practical firearms will never possess. A Glock will never fetch the price or the affection of a genuine Colt SAA, etc. But the Glock is, empirically, and objectively the superior firearm, in all regards.

[Widowmaker1981]

Metus regem, on 17 March 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

By every technical spec the 2015 kicks the stuffing out of the '67, but the '67 looks nicer.

Again, beauty being in the eye of the beholder, because i think the 2015 looks way better.

Now THIS is a pretty car (but again, i prefer the modern one)

Spoiler

[Bishop Steiner]

Widowmaker1981, on 17 March 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

Again, beauty being in the eye of the beholder, because i think the 2015 looks way better.

Now THIS is a pretty car (but again, i prefer the modern one)

Spoiler

I grew up riding in this...only in silver.

New Jag? Objectively better in every way. E type? Gets car guys palms all sweaty.

2017 turbo. Insanity on wheels


yet I would take this

over it, 10 out of 10.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 March 2017 - 10:09 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 March 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

I grew up riding in this...only in silver.

New Jag? Objectively better in every way. E type? Gets car guys palms all sweaty.

2017 turbo. Insanity on wheels


yet I would take this

over it, 10 out of 10.

heh, we just have entirely different taste in what looks good. But different strokes for different folks, its all just opinion.

[Archangel.84]

Bishop's definitely making the overall point better than I could, lol.

[Metus regem]

Widowmaker1981, on 17 March 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

Again, beauty being in the eye of the beholder, because i think the 2015 looks way better.

Now THIS is a pretty car (but again, i prefer the modern one)

Spoiler

Heh, I wanted this:




but talked the wife into this:



The new one is easier to get kids in....

[Bishop Steiner]

Widowmaker1981, on 17 March 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

heh, we just have entirely different taste in what looks good. But different strokes for different folks, its all just opinion.

And that is the point. And really the only one need be made. One man's Spud is another man's Waffle House smothered, covered and chunked hash browns!

Archangel.84, on 17 March 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

Bishop's definitely making the overall point better than I could, lol.

Well, I understand Comp. Technical precision, etc.

But I LIVE "passion", which is what keeps an IP or Game alive.

[Karl Streiger]

No Legacy no vote ;-)

[Bishop Steiner]

Karl Streiger, on 17 March 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

No Legacy no vote ;-)

Terrorists don't worry about voting anyhow, do they? Just unleash war crimes and WMDs and force your opinion, right WOBbie?

[Gas Guzzler]

Karl Streiger, on 17 March 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

No Legacy no vote ;-)

Done.

[Bishop Steiner]

Popularity of the Hollander on the poll shows people want nostalgia, not "best".

Cuz let's face...Hollander is just...bad. But iconicallly so!

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 March 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

Popularity of the Hollander on the poll shows people want nostalgia, not "best".

Cuz let's face...Hollander is just...bad. But iconicallly so!

To be fair, it is much better in TT because of how low the BV is for it. Plus you can still punch and kick if you lose that Gauss.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 17 March 2017 - 10:24 AM.