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[KingCobra]

NOW back to my other favorite nerfed mech the Highlander so sad

[justcallme A S H]

justcallme A S H, on 04 April 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

BTW we are all still waiting for you to produce your evidence of this TBR 'Nerf'. Particularly the hitbox one.

Have you found it yet?

We're all keen to find out what you know that no one else seems to

Bump for actual proof of claim. Still waiting, I think forever.

No more discussion from you about "nerfed" mechs, you don't even know which ones have been.

[KingCobra]

justcallme A S H, on 09 April 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

Bump for actual proof of claim. Still waiting, I think forever.

No more discussion from you about "nerfed" mechs, you don't even know which ones have been.

It don't matter what anyone says all the mechs are nerfed one way or another after 3-6 months after there released so the new OP mechs in the new mech packs can be sold.

Gone are the days of Battletech and MechWarrior when mechs were resilient and could play fun games now its just WOT or planeside 2 with mech skins we knew this 2 weeks after the game was launched its only gotten worse on the power creep.

And I don't care what you or anyone says I liked my mechs the way they were before all the insane PGI nerfs.

Edited by KingCobra, 09 April 2017 - 08:27 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

You said TBR hitboxes were nerfed.

Where is the EVIDENCE?

[KingCobra]

justcallme A S H, on 09 April 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

You said TBR hitboxes were nerfed.

Where is the EVIDENCE?

Here you go all the evidence anyone ever needed.

https://www.youtube....timberwolf+nerf

[justcallme A S H]

There is no evidence in those videos of TBR hitboxes changes/nerfs. They are global weapon nerfs which do not impact TBR hitboxes.


Please supply your actual evidence of this claim (of hitbox changes) as a few of us have requested multiple times now.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 09 April 2017 - 09:05 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

And massive LOL. Out of the first 4 videos of your crappy Youtube search, these are two of them


Mechwarrior Online: 8 kills with the Timberwolf-C variant

1000+ Damage in Timberwolf: MWO

Could you possibly make your own argument anymore invalid for us?

Edited by justcallme A S H, 09 April 2017 - 09:11 PM.

[KingCobra]

justcallme A S H, on 09 April 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

And massive LOL. Out of the first 4 videos of your crappy Youtube search, these are two of them


Mechwarrior Online: 8 kills with the Timberwolf-C variant

1000+ Damage in Timberwolf: MWO

Could you possibly make your own argument anymore invalid for us?

ROFL do you really think anyone on these crappy forums gives a rats assss what you or I have to say?
Forum trolls like you are here for one reason to be a Forum troll that's it nothing more.

[Tesunie]

KingCobra, on 09 April 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

It don't matter what anyone says all the mechs are nerfed one way or another after 3-6 months after there released so the new OP mechs in the new mech packs can be sold.

Gone are the days of Battletech and MechWarrior when mechs were resilient and could play fun games now its just WOT or planeside 2 with mech skins we knew this 2 weeks after the game was launched its only gotten worse on the power creep.

And I don't care what you or anyone says I liked my mechs the way they were before all the insane PGI nerfs.

Hum... Let's put this to the test then, shall we?

Huntsmen was released in Oct. It is now April. That's 6 months. I still haven't seen any performance nerfs mentioned in patch notes, nor have I noticed any diminished performance at all.

Linebacker was released in November, and has been out for 5 months. I believe it actually got a hit box adjustment shortly after release, as originally when I piloted it within moments of the servers going online, it seemed to have a HUGE CT. After a hot fix right after it's release, it started spreading damage much more reasonably. This was noted not only by myself but by other people, and it was too fast for it to be recorded by the Hit Box threads to confirm nor deny if it was altered. So, if anything, it got buffed after release. And I still haven't noticed any decrease in it's performance either.

I also play Crabs a lot too. In all the time since it's release, I haven't even noticed any changes, even when it got just a tiny bit bigger on the scale change (a nerf well after 6 months in game, and very minor one at that). Besides the rescale, which barely phased the Crab, it's otherwise has remained virtually untouched since it's early release. Still as good as when I first got it.


Now the Zeus, you could make an argument for that one, but it was still in the game for some time before it was altered. It started off with health buffs and was smaller in scale. Over time, it has been enlarged and also has had much of it's health quirks removed. All officially posted and documented changes in patch notes I might mention. There was no "hidden" changes here, and it was well after it was already released. (And to be honest, it was considered "alright" upon release, not as anything special.)



I wont deny that some mechs have received nerfs over time, such as Victors and Highlanders when assault class JJs got adjusted (and nerfed). As those chassis depended upon their JJs for their difference in game as well as much of their strength, it hurt them more than other assaults.

However, the claim that the Timber has been nerfed... I find highly incorrect still. It was rebalanced, as it was still considered "best mech in game", or rather one of three "best mechs" now. Kodiak, Night Gyr and then Timber are considered best mechs in game, with a mentioning to the runner up Ebon Jaguar. (At least for clan, but I believe that's for all heavy mechs.)


You see, the thing with "balance" is, if you have one (in this case) mech being a massive out performer, you need to bring it down to the other mech's level. If you have a mech that is a massive under performer, than it needs to be brought up to the rest's performance. Considering the Timber was "best", it obviously was out performing other mech's of it's class. It still does...

(Edit: Grammar and Typos. You know, the usual stuff. I need to stop making posts when I'm tired.)

Edited by Tesunie, 09 April 2017 - 09:18 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

KingCobra, on 09 April 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

ROFL do you really think anyone on these crappy forums gives a rats assss what you or I have to say?
Forum trolls like you are here for one reason to be a Forum troll that's it nothing more.

Prove what you are saying then? The simple facts are these:

1. You have no proof.
2. You are making it up.
3. You've been called out.

About 2 pages ago a smarter man would've just said "yep, I did just make it up" and move on. Instead you've kept trying to keep these claims alive which are nothing more than something you concocted in your own mind because you are not a great player. No harm in being bad or knowing advanced piloting skills, there is harm in making up lies.

People have called you out on lies and your only answer when asked for proof, to call us all?


Not very good logic on your behalf.

[KingCobra]

justcallme A S H, on 09 April 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

Prove what you are saying then? The simple facts are these:

1. You have no proof.
2. You are making it up.
3. You've been called out.

About 2 pages ago a smarter man would've just said "yep, I did just make it up" and move on. Instead you've kept trying to keep these claims alive which are nothing more than something you concocted in your own mind because you are not a great player. No harm in being bad or knowing advanced piloting skills, there is harm in making up lies.

People have called you out on lies and your only answer when asked for proof, to call us all?


Not very good logic on your behalf.

Logic has nothing to do with this topic and If I did provide you proof of before the nerfs and after the nerfs on all the mechs PGI has released from data stripped right off of the PGI main servers It would be against the TOS so I can tell you but not show you and logic says players have a right to know that what they buy is always downgraded in secret nerfs during patch cycles.

This has been proven by many team groups playing since day 1.

[justcallme A S H]

KingCobra, on 03 April 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

I want to thank Russ and PGI for Fuckkking up the timber wolf it was my favorite mech that was nerfed to hell now it is almost total crapppp due to no CT or torso hit-boxes.

So PGI please go back and un-nerf my Timber Wolf put back the great hit-boxes I once had so it can once again be the wolf of the battlefield.

You have provided no evidence to back up your incorrect claim about TBR hitboxes.

So yes, it does have to do with logic because after 8 pages there is still no proof. Just stop posting, each post you make, makes you look even more stupid than the last.

[KingCobra]

justcallme A S H, on 09 April 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

You have provided no evidence to back up your incorrect claim about TBR hitboxes.

So yes, it does have to do with logic because after 8 pages there is still no proof. Just stop posting, each post you make, makes you look even more stupid than the last.

Sir Im only still posting to keep you entertained and give you something to troll me about.

Anyone with half a brain can get in a timberwolf go play some matches and tell it has bad CT and torso hit-boxes now getting crit in 1-2 shots that are from a single mech not focus fire. Where before all the nerfs to the timberwolf it could roll right through single mechs with minimal damage and only be crit CT by focus fire.

Edited by KingCobra, 09 April 2017 - 09:52 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

You're not posting for any other reason than you actually believe the rubbish you are posting.

None of my TBRs ever get critted in 1-2 shots, but then I know how to play the game above a T5/T4 level. At the T5/T4 level people "stare" at their opposition. So if you are going to do that and take over 100 points of dmg from PPFLD mechs, then you absolutely deserve to die as that is bad play.

What you are talking about here is not a nerf to the TBR. It is the increase in Pin Point Front Loaded Damage (PPFLD) in the game space. When mechs are putting 60 points of instant damage that does not mean the mech has been nerfed, it means the weaponspace / dominance has changed.

I have no doubt I could CT crit you in two accurate shots, just like any half reasonable player. Does this mean the mech itself has had a hitbox/armour nerf? No. It just means you need to learn how to adjust to the shifts in META.

KingCobra, on 09 April 2017 - 09:52 PM, said:

Where before all the nerfs to the timberwolf it could roll right through single mechs with minimal damage and only be crit CT by focus fire.

There have been no nerfs to the TBR mech itself that produce the end result you are claiming either hitbox/armour wise. That is simple fact.

[Appogee]

Hmmm, Timbie is my go-to Mech when I need to carry. The speed, number of hardpoints still leaving enough for a dead shield arm, availability of jump jets, and solid armor level seem quite optimal from my perspective

But I guess I'm doing it wrong...?

Which Mech should I be using instead of Timbies? (Note: it can't be anything with a speed of less than 80kph, because I find mobility is as important as firepower and armor.

PS: There has been no change to Timby hitboxes in the past two years.

Edited by Appogee, 09 April 2017 - 10:09 PM.

[Tesunie]

KingCobra, on 09 April 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

Logic has nothing to do with this topic and If I did provide you proof of before the nerfs and after the nerfs on all the mechs PGI has released from data stripped right off of the PGI main servers It would be against the TOS so I can tell you but not show you and logic says players have a right to know that what they buy is always downgraded in secret nerfs during patch cycles.

This has been proven by many team groups playing since day 1.

Really now...

I highly doubt PGI is altering mechs without notifying everyone first. I've never seen PGI, even when IGP was their backer and essentially "in charge", do such a thing as "ninja nerfs". I've seen it from other games before, but never PGI. You will have to try harder to convince me that these things are happening.

Although... What team groups are you talking about? Who are they? Where are their posts/threads/places they discussed these changes? That is in part proving your point. Something I still have as of yet to see...

KingCobra, on 09 April 2017 - 09:52 PM, said:

Sir Im only still posting to keep you entertained and give you something to troll me about.

Anyone with half a brain can get in a timberwolf go play some matches and tell it has bad CT and torso hit-boxes now getting crit in 1-2 shots that are from a single mech not focus fire. Where before all the nerfs to the timberwolf it could roll right through single mechs with minimal damage and only be crit CT by focus fire.

A troll continues to post "just because" without reason. Then again, you've called some really big names on these forums trolls. You know, names that actually do a lot of work to help new players and answer game questions? Yeah. Those same people who tend to know tiny details of the game most people overlook? Those are people you've already called a troll...

I will, however, admit that I've never owned a Timberwolf. However, is this when I mention that there is a not-so-well-known bug people have noticed with PPC and Gauss weapon hits? Somehow, they sometimes seem to be causing additional damage than they should, by somehow dealing a critical hit through armor, which somehow removes the armor to deal said critical hit. I've noticed it against me (being hit by a meta Night Gyr with two Gauss and an ERPPC, which is 40 points of PPFLD, somehow first hit stripped off 57 points of armor and turn internals orange with a single alpha), and I've also noticed it caused by me (when I hit an assault mech with two ERPPCs (20 PPFLD) and it instantly loses all armor) as well...

It may not be the mech, but the meta as well as possibly a bug as well. It's uncertain at this time, as I've been trying to test it. But I do believe I've seen this bug hit several times since I became aware of it (from a source I've learned to trust).


Also, if your Timberwolf could "roll right through single mechs with minimal damage", than... MAYBE THE MECH WAS NOT BALANCED?

[KingCobra]

Tesunie, on 09 April 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

Really now...

I highly doubt PGI is altering mechs without notifying everyone first. I've never seen PGI, even when IGP was their backer and essentially "in charge", do such a thing as "ninja nerfs". I've seen it from other games before, but never PGI. You will have to try harder to convince me that these things are happening.

Although... What team groups are you talking about? Who are they? Where are their posts/threads/places they discussed these changes? That is in part proving your point. Something I still have as of yet to see...



A troll continues to post "just because" without reason. Then again, you've called some really big names on these forums trolls. You know, names that actually do a lot of work to help new players and answer game questions? Yeah. Those same people who tend to know tiny details of the game most people overlook? Those are people you've already called a troll...

I will, however, admit that I've never owned a Timberwolf. However, is this when I mention that there is a not-so-well-known bug people have noticed with PPC and Gauss weapon hits? Somehow, they sometimes seem to be causing additional damage than they should, by somehow dealing a critical hit through armor, which somehow removes the armor to deal said critical hit. I've noticed it against me (being hit by a meta Night Gyr with two Gauss and an ERPPC, which is 40 points of PPFLD, somehow first hit stripped off 57 points of armor and turn internals orange with a single alpha), and I've also noticed it caused by me (when I hit an assault mech with two ERPPCs (20 PPFLD) and it instantly loses all armor) as well...

It may not be the mech, but the meta as well as possibly a bug as well. It's uncertain at this time, as I've been trying to test it. But I do believe I've seen this bug hit several times since I became aware of it (from a source I've learned to trust).


Also, if your Timberwolf could "roll right through single mechs with minimal damage", than... MAYBE THE MECH WAS NOT BALANCED?

To be sure when the TimberWolf was released it was not balanced and it was internally made this way and why it was so fun to pilot it actually reminded me of playing MechWarrior4Mercinaries again it was just plain fun to brawl in.

Let me putt it to you gently so you understand why I would know have you ever played World of Warcraft? there are group of people fans of many games they make (PRIVATE SERVERS) using code to make cores so people can download the software and run there own private servers.

Some of there groups also make private servers for other games not just WOW would it be a surprise to know there are 3 MWO private servers? And the data programs that devs use to keep stats for everything can also be cloned?

Sir even the patches can be duplicated and installed to see the source code and scripts that have been changed over time from ver 2.000.11 to ver 2.000.12 as a example.

Who knows maybe we will be playing on MWO private servers some day and I can explain it better to you legally.If this interests you here is a link to get you started down the road to understanding.

https://www.reaper-x...er-way-perhaps/

http://vanilla-wow.w...Private_Servers

[DrxAbstract]

Appogee, on 09 April 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

Hmmm, Timbie is my go-to Mech when I need to carry. The speed, number of hardpoints still leaving enough for a dead shield arm, availability of jump jets, and solid armor level seem quite optimal from my perspective

But I guess I'm doing it wrong...?

Which Mech should I be using instead of Timbies? (Note: it can't be anything with a speed of less than 80kph, because I find mobility is as important as firepower and armor.

PS: There has been no change to Timby hitboxes in the past two years.

My personal and proprietary build for BL-6-KNT. Wrecking TImbies for days.

[Zergling]

KingCobra, on 09 April 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

ROFL do you really think anyone on these crappy forums gives a rats assss what you or I have to say?
Forum trolls like you are here for one reason to be a Forum troll that's it nothing more.

Well, I care what he says.

As far as I'm concerned, the only troll here is you.

[Appogee]

DrxAbstract, on 09 April 2017 - 10:44 PM, said:

My personal and proprietary build for BL-6-KNT. Wrecking TImbies for days.

I like the BL-6-KNT too. I run mine with 3LPL and 5SPL, which I feel does better damage at range, while also providing plenty of punch when brawling.

I don't think it's quite as good as the Timbie. The torso mounts aren't as high, it's a bit slower, and there are no Jump Jets.

Still, a very good Heavy, I agree.