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[xxREVxx]

Not a fan of LRM's. Radar derp is a prereq, utilize cover, AMS (some think it's useless but if the whole team is carrying it the LRM's are fairly mitigated).

Regards,
Rev

[King Kahuna]

Personally, I don't harass LRM boats.

I don't like playing LRM's unless it is a back up system just because It doesn't fit the way I play. There also seems to be a higher percentage of players that use LRM spam that are just bad in my experience. That being said some pilots are magic with them.

I do joke about LRM Atlas's though. Sorry, I am guilty of that. I don't berate them but I do make jokes from time to time. My personal favorite was one I ran into this week with LRM's, an AC2 and 2 ML's. It was painful. He did outlast the team that got steam rolled with half of the heavy units hiding back and fighting as singletons. Thankfully I don't run into to many matches like that anymore but they are painful when you do.

Edited by King Kahuna, 08 April 2017 - 07:12 PM.

[Daemon04]

if someone utilizes that lrm boat well and is capable of killing mechs with it. yes, go for it.

BUT
BIG BUT
FIRGGIN BIG BUT if i see an Atlas-7S and Marauder2c-Scorch and the kodiak-spiritbear and Supernova-A fitted out with this loadout i will insta judge em and put em in the full ****** drawer.

i get it some people have a bad isp or infrastructure and maybe a computer that has difficulty running this game and yes there are quite a lot older people playing and not having the reflexes of the boy wonder. cant fix that.

totally ok with mediums and couple heavies being lrm boats but seeing such monsters maybe titans of the battlefield of mechs being able to kill other assaults with one or two alphastrikes (im looking at you mister snuggles time and his point and click adventure >_>) use the im going to tickle you to death technique is not gonna cut it to me.

[FroyOi]

Actually I've been having fun with LRMs lately. People are generally nice and I've actually been recognized by a few.

Definitely not strong enough on their own but I'm really enjoying the tactical feel of it. Fantastic suppression and the ability to help teammates indirectly is nothing to laugh at.

It's mostly just situational awareness, good positioning and being able to switch roles on the fly. If there is a tunnel push my battlemaster is right there to soak up some hell and return a little with with 3LL.

That's why variant or other assault mechs exist, otherwise there would just be two cookie cutter mechs in each catagory that played the same.

[Snuggles Time]

WUT M8?

[Felicitatem Parco]

Daemon04, on 08 April 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

if someone utilizes that lrm boat well and is capable of killing mechs with it. yes, go for it.

Sweet. Good attitude.

Daemon04, on 08 April 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

BUT
BIG BUT
FIRGGIN BIG BUT if i see an Atlas-7S and Marauder2c-Scorch and the kodiak-spiritbear and Supernova-A fitted out with this loadout i will insta judge em and put em in the full ****** drawer.

Okay... and what do you say to the Scorch pilot who loads it with LRMs, utilizes it well, and kills enemy Mechs with it?
..Or, does it not matter how well they perform or what they do, but rather what matters most is your immediate preconception of their capabilities...?

Edited by Prosperity Park, 08 April 2017 - 07:35 PM.

[Snuggles Time]

razenWing, on 06 April 2017 - 07:31 AM, said:

Is this a thing? Or is babycakes trolling us? Maybe being in Snuggle's video too much and becoming a semi-celebrity has made him crazy...

I think once in a while, a few people will poke fun at the guy that says "LOX PZ" at the beginning of the match. Other than that, there is no "hate" toward lrm-ers...

(Or if the last guy alive is a 90%IS assault lrm with nothing but lrm...)

Let's take an informal poll... does anyone here actually hear anyone "harassing" lrm-ers? Like, as I said in the beginning, is this a thing that's worth 2 thread topics by Snuggle's British sidekick?

Sure....it was being in a youtube video that made him crazy, we'll go with that.

[Shifty McSwift]

Prosperity Park, on 08 April 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

Okay... and what do you say to the Scorch pilot who loads it with LRMs, utilizes it well, and kills enemy Mechs with it?
..Or, does it not matter how well they perform or what they do, but rather what matters most is your immediate preconception of their capabilities...?

I tend to say, you are wasting a lot of armor and weapon slots on being an LRM boat, when there are plenty of meadium and heavy variants that could do it just as good without that wastage.

Also I would ask; why is it that you couldn't put a single backup gun in a 75+ ton mech? Are you a troll?

[Khobai]

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Okay... and what do you say to the Scorch pilot who loads it with LRMs, utilizes it well, and kills enemy Mechs with it?

Id say why arnt you using a Masakari instead so you could have some backup lasers

missile boats without lasers = fail

[SPencil]

Shifty McSwift, on 08 April 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

I tend to say, you are wasting a lot of armor and weapon slots on being an LRM boat, when there are plenty of meadium and heavy variants that could do it just as good without that wastage.

Also I would ask; why is it that you couldn't put a single backup gun in a 75+ ton mech? Are you a troll?

I think the point was that you can't exactly call it wasted space if a pilot can get results. Can't exactly say other options would do better in the role of indirect fire support, it's the only weapons system that allows it. LRM builds make a decision: "Salvo damage, maneuverability, or point-defense. Pick any two."

^{...and not packing point-defense is either a rookie mistake or supreme confidence in the team.}

[Khobai]

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I think the point was that you can't exactly call it wasted space if a pilot can get results.

except its pretty hard to prove someone can do better with LRMs than direct fire weapons when the general consensus is that direct fire weapons are superior.

I think most people acknowledge that LRMs need fixin'

[SPencil]

Khobai, on 08 April 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

except its pretty hard to prove someone can do better with LRMs than direct fire weapons when the general consensus is that direct fire weapons are superior.

I'm also sure the general consensus is that direct fire weapons can't hit targets on the other side of a hill, nor damage a mech after it's gone behind the corner they just peaked.

You're saying something is superior without actually qualifying it. A mech with PPC is has a superior chance to win a long-range hill-humping fight against an LRM mech; Medium to close-ish range they'll trade evenly. For the record I'm not talking about a fully stacked LRM assault monstrosity, mediums and heavies are superior in this roll for their ability to launch an acceptable salvo size while being maneuverable enough to reposition and capitalize on targets of opportunity.

LRMs are for fire support and suppression, and represent a superior force multiplier for any team that can communicate and take advantage; assuming the pilot knows what they're doing and tuned their mech a bit

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Any good LRMer who is worth it if in an Assault will be in an AWS-8R (best LRM boat in the game), BLR-1S (3rd best LRM boat in the game), and far down the list & last "viable" Assault is a MAL-1R (though really most Heavies are better & some Mediums)... if not in one of those three, then they are highly unlikely to be good. The problem is that to be a "good LRMer" has the highest skill set necessary yet the easiest skill floor to start with so the majority of players who stay using it as others get better are those incapable of getting better period. They try to play this mini-game where they try to keep the most armor as possible, which i believe gives them this very false sense of what kind of damage their mechs can take. When they go from to 100% to dead in 3 seconds at the end of the match being the last one alive while being focused upon but 8 mechs... they quite literally think that that is how it is normally (even have had some them say things to effect.) So it is a self-fulfilling assessment based on Correlation not Causation about how LRM Assaults are bad... Operator Error not Mechanical Failure is the Cause.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 08 April 2017 - 10:47 PM.

[Auldson]

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
WHAT A SPICY MEME

[Shifty McSwift]

SPencil, on 08 April 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:

I think the point was that you can't exactly call it wasted space if a pilot can get results. Can't exactly say other options would do better in the role of indirect fire support, it's the only weapons system that allows it. LRM builds make a decision: "Salvo damage, maneuverability, or point-defense. Pick any two."

^{...and not packing point-defense is either a rookie mistake or supreme confidence in the team.}

Don't get me wrong I value LRMs for what they can do, even though I use them very little myself, I get that the potentials they provide to a fight overall are totally worth investing into at least a few, it is just when it comes to assaults specifically boating them (meaning no alt weapons, just all lrms, on an assault), the same can be achieved in lighter mech classes without filling the slot of an assault, also an assault at the back of the pack is a lot of wasted armor in the eventual clash of fronts.

It doesn't mean they will auto lose games, or always do badly, LRM boat scores are usually massive because A. they are usually the last targets. B. They deal damage mostly without a chance to retaliate. and C. They don't get to choose as clearly where their guns will hit, meaning it takes much more spread out damage to take a mech down, which boosts overall damage scores. None of those things are what assaults should be doing, bar the part about dealing damage.

An assault with a set of LRM 10s, or an lrm 20 and 2 lrm 5s that actually has other weapons is not a boat, he is just utilising the obvious potential of LRMs while being capable of utilising other roles (to less effect, but with the combined effect of LRMs it makes up).

[Khobai]

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You're saying something is superior without actually qualifying it.

um its been qualified by the fact LRMs arnt used competitively AT ALL.

LRMs are only effective against potatos who stand in the open and let themselves get hit. they are laughably easy to avoid. the game even tells you when youre about to get hit by them way in advance of them actually hitting.

[SPencil]

Khobai, on 09 April 2017 - 12:08 AM, said:

um its been qualified by the fact LRMs arnt used competitively AT ALL.

because an organized 8v8 team on Tourmaline places greater value on different roles and mech traits compared to us semi-organized 12v12 on any random map. Really hard to take your insulting arguments seriously when you keep just saying stuff without qualifying any of it. Didn't take long to get 15k posts like that I wager, but I digress; because you don't see their value doesn't mean there isn't any value. Just means you don't think they're valuable; my catapult and I would disagree, and it's not as if my cat was my first successful LRM support build either.

Edited by SPencil, 09 April 2017 - 12:42 AM.

[Errinovar]

Couple of things:

LRMs get a lot of hate, particularly on the forums, but I've had my share in the queue too. I don't mind so much because the end score will tell who really performed. And that's when then quietly quit and tell themselves LRMs are easy mode or whatever after letting us all know how worthless and weak LRMs are as a weapon system. The title of this post is bad and is indicative of someone who hasn't faced institutional racism with real repercussions in the real world, IMHO.

I'm not even close to the best pilot, I'm rank 2 and I only pug queue. I have two LRM platforms, BLR-1S with 2 LRM 15s, 2 LRM 5s , 3ML and tag, and an HBK-4J that runs 2 LRM10s, 3ML and tag. I have never ask others to hold locks as the pug queue is unreliable in general, though I do capitalize on those locks that people hold. Both mechs run XLs for mobility and speed because I generally fight in the 250-600 meter range. So I usually only carry between 7-9 tons of ammo and turn to close range with the lasers when I run out. I am also very conservative with my shots because my ammo is limited so the majority are LOS shots. Here are a snapshot of my stats:

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BLR-1S 179 matches W/L:1.30 K/D:1.89 average damage per match:458
HBK-4J 299 matches w/l:1.10 k/d: 1.35 ADPM: 450

All things considered I'm sure there are many people who perform better, but considering this is pug queue I can honestly say that I believe these stats show a definite contribution to the team, while asking for no special treatment or avoiding LOS. In fact I almost always tag for myself and the majority of my damage comes from LOS, using terrain and modules to allow me to peek and maintain locks without being fully exposed.

I will agree with the statement that LRMs have weaknesses that make them less valuable in terms of killing power, but a well played, mobile, LRM boat can bring a lot of battlefield control and much of it people never see. I can't count the number of teammates that I saved by dropping a salvo on a flanker lining up shots on a brawler, and you better believe when someone takes those volleys they tend to notice and boogie. If they don't they die pretty quickly. The point here being is that just because you don't see a direct benefit doesn't mean that you aren't directly benefiting from LRM fire.

Edited by Errinovar, 09 April 2017 - 05:04 AM.

[Daemon04]

Prosperity Park, on 08 April 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

Sweet. Good attitude.



Okay... and what do you say to the Scorch pilot who loads it with LRMs, utilizes it well, and kills enemy Mechs with it?
..Or, does it not matter how well they perform or what they do, but rather what matters most is your immediate preconception of their capabilities...?

someone stopped reading beyond second and third paragraph.

totally ok with mediums and couple heavies being lrm boats but seeing such monsters maybe titans of the battlefield of mechs being able to kill other assaults with one or two alphastrikes (im looking at you mister snuggles time and his point and click adventure >_>) use the im going to tickle you to death technique is not gonna cut it to me.

some mech variants such as a scorch are better off not having lrms equipped in them. thats all i was trying to say.

Edited by Daemon04, 09 April 2017 - 06:59 AM.

[Tribal556]

Lrm are useless in so many situations,and can't compete with snipers....
it can shine sometimes, but that 's rare . (need spotters, that's a rare breed)

Also good lrm boat is somewhat slow and filled with ammo, an easy prey even for light mech.
(worth doing a suicide run)...

lrm 5s is not as good as it used to be, now you need heavier design to be effective imo , outcome is still pretty random.

edit:a few ams can negate most of it firepower, i guess haters doesn't use it..a few mechs have 2 ams, with overload,etc, and it's not so heavy

Edited by Tribal556, 09 April 2017 - 07:04 AM.