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#61 TWIAFU

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 03:51 AM

View Postjustcallme A S H, on 25 April 2017 - 03:30 AM, said:


I dunno, I did reasonably well and I get accused of hacking all the time? Sadly for the bads, I'm not hacking.




I, we, were accused of hacking yesterday. I'm serious, well, I'm serious that he/she was serious in the accusation.

Was a CW drop and in a group (8 or 9 of us) and we were accused of hacking because we were in a group. Yes, in CW now the queue primarily designed for Group/Unit play, you are hacking if you are in a group.

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#62 Carl Vickers

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 03:53 AM

View PostJohnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

Wouldn't that be epic.

Players running around cheating and everyone that complains get banned.

You said it, I didn't. But its amazing how it brings to light whats going on here. Posted Image Its beautiful. lol


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#63 Bud Crue

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 03:57 AM

View PostJohnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

Wouldn't that be epic.

Players running around cheating and everyone that complains get banned.

You said it, I didn't. But its amazing how it brings to light whats going on here. Posted Image Its beautiful. lol

By the way I didn't make this topic and may not have even responded to this topic if it had not been for classic comments like "Get good". Its easy to see how well the very best players actually play. Watch the world championships.


Where is all the video!?

If this is so common why has there not been more than a handful of videos posted in the last 3 years? I've seen more vidoes of the jumping bugs, falling "through the world", and AMS errors in the last 6 months than I have EVER seen of cheating yet people keep asserting that hacks are rampant and common place. If that is the case where is the plethora of obvious and easily obtainable evidence? Is there a hax that allows for the videoing of the many bugs in this game but which prevents cheating from being videoed?

#64 kesmai

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:01 AM

I'm cheating.
You heard right.
I'm a cheater.
Next to my table is a chrystal ball.

#65 B0oN

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:04 AM

Hi guys, my name is The Shortbus .
Some might either know me as Rad Hanzo or as B0oN .
Lemme tell you this much .

In the over 5 years Im playing this game now I had the pleasure of dropping with a WILD variety of players from a plethora of units (thanks for having me, ladies and gents, it was a pleasure ) and something that I noticed on the "better" units is : teamplay + individual skill = murderously HARSH enemies .

In fact these teams look SO HARDCORE because they have well practised modes of engagement that are interlocking team-wide, giving you as an enemy the feel you´re getting blown out of the water by hackers .

Bollocks

What you just experienced was 3+ veteran players alphaing ONE SINGLE COMPONENT at nearly the same time ( we are talking timedifferences of less than a second on such actions) .
If you were driving an IS XL mech ... boom, you´re dead .
If you were driving a Clan XL mech ... boom, youre crippled (if they dont focus through your CT at once that is ... then look IS XL outcome )

Lets talk this through a bit shall we ?
One of the standard builds Im gonna use for a math example like this is consisting of 2CLpl+4CERmed (taking this since I have the alpha in my head^^), which equals a damage output of 54 .
Furthermore : CLPL with cooldown module has nearly the same refire rate as the un-moduled ERMed laser .

Ok ... 54 damage in one mech per alpha .
Best outcome is : only 3 guys (out of 12) simultaneously alpha you = 162 points of damage .
Are you quick enough to torsotwist that ?
I ain´t .
Those 162 points of damage will be spread very, very minimally, and they ALWAYS will hit you were it hurts most . That is what mech-knowledge does .
We are talking veterans with working mice and arms, not potatoes, these people are able to hold their alpha on the spot they want .
And you still really think that teamwork and eye-hand-coordination skills is cheating ?
Maybe you should try upping your game and playing in a team .

And yes, there are hackers out there .
Funnily they get owned most of the times by the good players .

On top of that inherent teamworking skill these groups have and regularly exhibit, they also possess great positioning on the map and a VERY ACUTE sense of mapawareness .
Not to mention they have real cut-throat tactics too .

So... that was me talking about players that I have played with personally . I´ve seen firsthand what they are capable of, so dont dismiss this wall of text as something anecdotal, Im giving you hard-counter infos here, its up to you to do the right thing with it though .

I ?
I like ERPPC´ing guys from 1200m away with my beloved weapon of choice and see them DESPAIR .
I can read THAT in a mech´s bodylanguage , from 1200m away .
They´re pissed I hit them easily, repeatedly, even if they try to hide .
But instead of going full hardcore tacticool team-playmode, most of the players run away or expose themselves even worse, leaving their teams weakened and dooming themselves .

But it doesnt even need to come that far :

-Start MW:O
-goto Settings
-check Mousesettings (make that sensitivity LOWWWWWWWWW !)
-goto Mainmenu
-goto Training Grounds
-find first mech in there
-circle it at full speed
-select one component to aim for (UNZOOMED !!!!!!!!)
-keep reticule on the aimed at component
-tune mousesettings until you can hold that reticule ON SPOT, while moving full bananas
-you have found your "average" mouse-sensitivity

If you have multiple DPI settings at your disposal :
-take "average" mousesensi
-create 1 or more faster sensi´s for close range fighting/ whipping around that torso ultrafast
-create 1 or more slower sensi´s for those sniping times

Get comfy with those new settings, play ALL your mechs with it .
Report back in a month how that all went .

Edited by The Shortbus, 25 April 2017 - 04:12 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:06 AM

View PostPr8Dator2, on 24 April 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:


Its call "aiming"... its not hard to even kill someone who isn't torso twisting 1000 yards out with quad ERPPC... bu tthe problem is, we see most people just swinging their large lasers like light sabres... of course u not gonna get this kind of result.


It's not "aiming" when I poke a third over a building edge with a ECM equipped, matte grey painted light and almost immediately take hit or near-miss direct fire from a kilometer away. No radar contact, no UAV, much too far for thermal vision, barely distinct if at all from the cover (depending on map) with the naked eye.

I absolutely believe there are 3rd party "assists" being used in this game.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:08 AM

View PostSmokedJag, on 25 April 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:


It's not "aiming" when I poke a third over a building edge with a ECM equipped, matte grey painted light and almost immediately take hit or near-miss direct fire from a kilometer away. No radar contact, no UAV, much too far for thermal vision, barely distinct if at all from the cover (depending on map) with the naked eye.

I absolutely believe there are 3rd party "assists" being used in this game.

Yes.
Shall we discuss?
Maybe Russ joins on twitter?

#68 Carl Vickers

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:10 AM

View PostSmokedJag, on 25 April 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

It's not "aiming" when I poke a third over a building edge with a ECM equipped, matte grey painted light and almost immediately take hit or near-miss direct fire from a kilometer away. No radar contact, no UAV, much too far for thermal vision, barely distinct if at all from the cover (depending on map) with the naked eye.

I absolutely believe there are 3rd party "assists" being used in this game.


If they were hacking, why miss, damn you guys need some brain cells. Get a good computer and turn everything up to max on graphics, can see mechs 3-4 km away on the other side of maps.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:14 AM

View PostSmokedJag, on 25 April 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

It's not "aiming" when I poke a third over a building edge with a ECM equipped, matte grey painted light and almost immediately take hit or near-miss direct fire from a kilometer away. No radar contact, no UAV, much too far for thermal vision, barely distinct if at all from the cover (depending on map) with the naked eye.

I absolutely believe there are 3rd party "assists" being used in this game.


At a Klick your "matte grey" mech is a black dot superimposed on that building. The better players working as a team know the approaches and are looking for oh so sneakiy devils like you to do exactly what you are doing...and then they make you pay for it.

View PostCarl Vickers, on 25 April 2017 - 04:10 AM, said:


If they were hacking, why miss, damn you guys need some brain cells. Get a good computer and turn everything up to max on graphics, can see mechs 3-4 km away on the other side of maps.


Or even turn them all the way down and see thru some building. That's not a cheat...thats game settings PGI provides (for the record I am terrible no matter what so I run medium to high settings. If I can't win, I may as well enjoy the scenery and the mech porn)

#70 justcallme A S H

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:15 AM

View PostJohnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

Players running around cheating and everyone that complains get banned.


No I said everyone making up FALSE ACCUSATIONS about it.

There is a distinct difference.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:16 AM

View PostSmokedJag, on 25 April 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

It's not "aiming" when I poke a third over a building edge with a ECM equipped, matte grey painted light and almost immediately take hit or near-miss direct fire from a kilometer away. No radar contact, no UAV, much too far for thermal vision, barely distinct if at all from the cover (depending on map) with the naked eye.

I absolutely believe there are 3rd party "assists" being used in this game.


'Too far away for thermal' depends on the map. Ever used thermal vision on a hot map? Try it Posted Image

Is it a normal place for people to poke?

Was that the first time you poked there?

There are too many ways that could be legit to claim cheats.

If you suspect someone of cheating, wait till you see them on your team, die early on purpose and spectate them to confirm your suspicions, ideally with Shadowplay (or similar) running, and report them to PGI, preferably with video evidence.

Little story: A certain unit kept continuously accusing my unit of hacking and reporting us to PGI, i assume. None of us got banned, because none of us use cheats, so this unit started harassing us in game when they saw us. Deliberately back blocking, etc. We reported them, they got warned. They still assumed we must be cheating, and because they believed PGI to not be doing anything about it, they started using cheats themselves, and half of them promptly got banned.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 25 April 2017 - 04:18 AM.


#72 jjm1

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:18 AM

In b4 git gud.

oh wait. 100 posts late

#73 Vxheous

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:25 AM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 25 April 2017 - 04:16 AM, said:


'Too far away for thermal' depends on the map. Ever used thermal vision on a hot map? Try it Posted Image

Is it a normal place for people to poke?

Was that the first time you poked there?

There are too many ways that could be legit to claim cheats.

If you suspect someone of cheating, wait till you see them on your team, die early on purpose and spectate them to confirm your suspicions, ideally with Shadowplay (or similar) running, and report them to PGI, preferably with video evidence.

Little story: A certain unit kept continuously accusing my unit of hacking and reporting us to PGI, i assume. None of us got banned, because none of us use cheats, so this unit started harassing us in game when they saw us. Deliberately back blocking, etc. We reported them, they got warned. They still assumed we must be cheating, and because they believed PGI to not be doing anything about it, they started using cheats themselves, and half of them promptly got banned.


Oh, I remember that!
https://mwomercs.com...4919-umpavipor/
https://mwomercs.com...4936-umpavapor/

#74 RJF Volkodav

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:31 AM

So fun ).
I feel like i'm doing/playing bad if someone dont call me "cheater" for a while.
You can use that like a kind of meter sometimes ).

Cheating exists, but i can remember 3-4 ppl cheated for sure till closed beta and they got banned finally.

Edited by RJF Volkodav, 25 April 2017 - 04:33 AM.


#75 Johnny Z

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:33 AM

View PostRJF Volkodav, on 25 April 2017 - 04:31 AM, said:

So fun ).
I feel like i'm doing/playing bad if someone dont call me "cheater" for a while.
You can use that like a kind of meter sometimes ).


I have had 5 kill matches a couple times this last week and I never get called a cheat. Know why? Because getting 5 kills legit isn't easy. Everyone spectating can see whats going on.

If someone thinks someone is cheating, its a safe bet they are.

For any newbies reading this, knowing that if after some thought and experience at the game, and you think someone is cheating, they most likely are, ignore the trolls and accept it, use the complaint button, assume they will eventually be banned and consider it hard mode, because even cheats can be fought and defeated.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 04:39 AM.


#76 RJF Volkodav

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:36 AM

View PostJohnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 04:33 AM, said:

Because getting 5 kills legit isn't easy.


Extremely easy. Especially today on a well fitted meta when half of opposite team can do nothing.

#77 RJF Volkodav

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:41 AM

Man, look at the top tier player streams already. Maybe that will give you some ideas whats going out in MWO ).
5 kills is smth that is normal as long as 700-1000 pinpoint damage going to desired locations during a match.
Heres a link - https://www.twitch.tv/prtn_spz
and you can find more skilled players if you'll look for

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:43 AM

View PostThe6thMessenger, on 24 April 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:


Maybe they just got good and/or your mech has prominent CT, there's lots of mechs out there that are easily cored due to prominent CT, take King Crab for example. I'm not saying that hacks does not exist, but it is being addressed with cheaters banned, and the forum is not the place to discuss it. Likewise, you need video proof to actually get us on your side.

But before you actually accuse someone of cheating, could you consider evaluating yourself first? Maybe you just need improvement. Your score isn't really that exemplary. AVG match score doesn't push above 250 in your last four seasons, 250 is the amount needed to retain your PSR in an event of Loss.

Which is more likely, that everyone cheats, therefore you get bad score? Or you get bad score, because you aren't that seasoned?

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Classy, Look up another stats in order to berate them. Gotta love this place and the first class classlessness to be found here. :(

#79 Johnny Z

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:44 AM

View PostRJF Volkodav, on 25 April 2017 - 04:41 AM, said:

Man, look at the top tier player streams already. Maybe that will give you some ideas whats going out in MWO ).
5 kills is smth that is normal as long as 700-1000 pinpoint damage going to desired locations during a match.
Heres a link - https://www.twitch.tv/prtn_spz
and you can find more skilled players if you'll look for


What ever your defend cheat users openly and not fooling anyone. Some streamers have been perma banned for using cheats. I seen someone put a video of their own gameplay on this forum who was using a bot lol.

I seen guy match my highest scores in faction play and I remembered him because no one has matched my highest score legit I know of, and he got perma banned.

Your a nobody telling one of the best players in the game whats easy. Very funny.

Go back to your private team speak channel and tell each other how good you are instead. You likely not even a half good pilot.

By the way I miss plenty and have bad matches, but I can also wipe out nearly entire teams solo sometimes. So have a bot ready if you see me coming in a match.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 04:50 AM.


#80 RJF Volkodav

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:50 AM

Yeah. Go report them if you find. But i'm telling you to look at top skill pilots, not random streamers.
You can easily find them opening roster lists of top tier comp teams on MRBC site for example.
Most of that players wont have a big problem hitting any desired location from any distance. Especially in QP when opposing forces give you tonns of time to aim and shoot because they dont return-fire well.





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