162 replies to this topic

[Aidan]

SeaLabCaptn, on 25 April 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

Chiming in here because mass freakout seems to be the only way to make PGI listen to the community.

If you are removing an item from the game, I expect to be fully refunded for the removed item in the exact currency that I used to purchase said item.

Anything less, and you're giving me reason to leave this game on account of you being a mediocre cheapskate.

You may have grounds under Canadian law to sue PGI.

[Bulletsponge0]

well... I was looking forward to the 2 billion or so c-bill refund to help me fill some of my 30 or so empty mechbays... now.. I'll not be able to fill those bays, nor will I ba able to use all the skill points I'll get instead because all my mechs are already mastered...

its a lose-lose situation

[Jay Leon Hart]

Terrorsdawn, on 25 April 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

The only way to make this fair for everyone, is to take away some of the weapons, engines and mechs purchased by players that skipped buying module's. Then convert those items cbill value to another form of xp ( let's call it Swapxp) that has to be a spent on nodes each time they play diffrent mech so we can sit in the lobby like we always have waiting for someone to cheap to buy modules to swap them around.

We have all earned our c bills. So people have bought module's some have bought mechs others weapons and engines. If PGI removes one players items from the game it is only fair they recieve a full cbill refund for the removed items.

(To take the joke seriously)

So if someone has only paid £££ and not spent any C-Bills on anything, what do they get for their pre-order modules? £££ refunds?

[SmokedJag]

People whined about not getting progression compensation for modules. They're getting progression compensation (pretty nice amounts too).

If you bought modules after this was announced to try them out, you're getting cash back like you expected.

[Lykaon]

SnafuSnafu, on 25 April 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

You get your value back w/o ruining the cbill economy of the game, which is a good move IMO.

So if a player spent 100 million on modules they spent 100 million c-bills

If that 100 million is refunded because the item they bought with the c-bills no longer exist and they spend 100 million c-bills

what is the difference?

[Kroete]

I have lots of gpx, lots more of xp for my mechs (enough to skill and respec them several times),
i have brough modules for cbills, and now i get lots more of gxp for even more respecs?


Did they really hope people will spend realmoney for cbills or premium after that?
Why should i do that? They will steal it again ...

Edit:
Did i miss the point where i can fill empty mechbays with gpx?

Edit2:
Learned the following:
Become a cheapskate, dont get cheated again.

Edited by Kroete, 25 April 2017 - 03:18 PM.

[Alex Morgaine]

Eh, most players it's pretty much a wash either way.

Edited by Alex Morgaine, 25 April 2017 - 03:15 PM.

[Cabusha]

Mister Blastman, on 25 April 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

Excuse me? Perhaps you mean to say:

Blame the smart people in the community for this one. Because smart people don't spend money on nonsense when they can save a ton by getting the same thing, for far less.

Why the hell would I spend all my money on modules for every robot? That's insane.

Why would you expect to get 100% mastery back on a mech when you never invested in it? That's insane.

See, goes both ways.

[Ted Wayz]

"We think you will like the solution we came up with..."

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Posted this in the announcement forum

Jaybles, on 25 April 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Just logged into the PTS.

I'm getting 29,823 GSP points from modules. That's enough to put 91 points on 327 mechs. I only own 257 mechs of which 75% are mastered out. Someone please explain to me how this is even remotely fair or useful? Someone please?

[SmokedJag]

Jaybles, on 25 April 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Posted this in the announcement forum

You can insta-elite any 'Mech you buy in the future.

[Bulletsponge0]

the ONLY reason I can think of for not refunding any cbills for modules is unit size. If they refund cbills for modules, many unit members could receive 100's of millions to billions of cbills, and thus unit coffers could explode with cbills, allowing large units to afford to bring in even more members....and PGI has attempted in the past to limit sizes of units precisely by making new members prohibitively expensive.

[Deathlike]

SmokedJag, on 25 April 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

You can insta-elite any 'Mech you buy in the future.

How about C-bills to go effing buy those mechs themselves?

What a novel concept right?

There's zero need to apply 91 points to completely useless mechs under the old system... that's why this transfer of "currency" is pointless.

Do not want #PGIStoreCredit.

[Tincan Nightmare]

I don't see how a c-bill refund would be bad for the economy of the game with the civil war tech coming out soon. People will be spending tons of c-bills on LFE's, RAC's, IS ER lasers and targeting comps, etc... This would just be a nice 'help' in re-equipping your garage of Mechs with new goodies.

[kazlaton]

So with my 34,134 gsp, I could instantly master the next 375 mechs that I buy.

If anyone thinks I'm actually going to by another 375 mechs, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. I'm letting it go cheap too, only a billion C-bills.

[Johnny Z]

Jaybles, on 25 April 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

Let me see if I can break it down for you.

You go to your local burger joint and order a burger and fries. You add cheese. YOU PAY. The joint is out of cheese. Instead of refunding you for the cost of the cheese, the joint gives you an extra bun. You don't need the bun, you already have the bun, you want the cheese, you paid for the cheese....you would want your money back to!

There is nothing complicated or mind-blowing about this.

Haha this sounds right.

[LordNothing]

i think the thing that really bugs me is the infinite sinks. mastery was a thing that once earned could not be revoked you were done and didnt ever have to go back to it. modules were the same thing, once bought they are yours permanently.

now its an infinite sink. unlocking nodes is a sink, clearing nodes is a sink. there is more grind, and owning more than 3 is now pointless and only results in more grind. they took the premium time out of the mech packs.

the absurdity of the refund system is just the distraction to keep people from questioning this. this skill tree system is just a greedy little black hole that will consume every cbill, every hour of grind, in perpetuity.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

SmokedJag, on 25 April 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

You can insta-elite any 'Mech you buy in the future.

You do understand that I have enough GXP to do that anyway, and that If I had the cbill refund, I could actually choose to do that instead of being forced to do it?

[Mister Blastman]

Cabusha, on 25 April 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

Why would you expect to get 100% mastery back on a mech when you never invested in it? That's insane.

See, goes both ways.

I invested my TIME and have a ridiculous amount of accrued XP. 12,000 drops tends to accrue a lot...

[oldradagast]

LordNothing, on 25 April 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

the absurdity of the refund system is just the distraction to keep people from questioning this. this skill tree system is just a greedy little black hole that will consume every cbill, every hour of grind, in perpetuity.

Agreed. As I stated many times when they first unveiled this tangled maze of lunacy, GRIND IS NOT CONTENT.

Don't try to impress me with a stupid skill maze, full of false choices and skills that are literally worthless ("Cool - a missile buff for my energy-only mech!") while, at the same time, turning the game into an infinite resource sink. The whole proposed system is illogical and just endless grind - the respec cost in particular needs to go. It's disappointing.