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[Noglick]

Why clan MPL has 33% less health than IS medium pulse laser? Why it has 50% more duration than IS MPL?
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Edited by draiocht, 19 July 2017 - 03:12 PM.
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[StormDll]

Noglick, on 19 July 2017 - 01:57 AM, said:

Why clan MPL has 33% less health than IS medium pulse laser? Why it has 50% more duration than IS MPL?
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Becose Clantech take less space and less tonnage. And DHS 2 slot. Remember for any nerf.

Edited by draiocht, 19 July 2017 - 03:21 PM.
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[Wintersdark]

Hades Trooper, on 18 July 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

why are IS lbx's getting triple max range while clans lbx's are max range is double min? complete bias towards IS on this issue

why does the IS ultra ac only fire 3 slugs and the clans fires 4 slugs?

Because the clan guns are all much lighter and smaller?

[Zergling]

Triple max range is completely useless on LBXs, because the spread means very few (or even zero) pellets will actually hit a target at that kind of range.

[Wintersdark]

Thomasso, on 19 July 2017 - 12:07 AM, said:

Seriously? At the same time Clan PPC (and other components) is more fragile (less health) and more prone to crit.
So.. in what way Clan tech is more superior? In this case (ER PPC) it is only pin-point damage which is higher. The rest is worse - less speed, more heat, less health, more prone to crit. Nice.

"More prone to crit" excuse me? What do you mean by that? The IS ERPPC is MORE likely to be hit by a crit, that's part of the reason why it has more health. Do you understand how the crit system works at all?

That health difference doesn't come anywhere close to balancing the slot and tonnage difference, and for ballistics it's far bigger.


Same with the UAC's. There's a tremendous slot/tonnage difference for everything.

Why is clan ES 7 slots instead of IS's 14? Why is clan FF 7 slots instead of 14, AND provides more free tonnage? Why do clan XL's have the same.side torso loss penalties as LFE's but weigh less? Why are clan DHS smaller? Why do clan get free CASE everywhere?

To balance all those advantages, yes, IS gear needs edges here and there. The IS ERPPC is faster, and cooler. The Clan ERPPC does more damage, is lighter and smaller.

[Noglick]

StormDll, on 19 July 2017 - 02:03 AM, said:

Becose Clantech take less space and less tonnage. And DHS 2 slot. Remember for any nerf.

Yes, but clantech is nerfed already! IS DHS has 50% more healh against C-DHS!
Besides IS mechs have quirks much more and effective than clan mechs.

[Wintersdark]

Noglick, on 19 July 2017 - 01:57 AM, said:

Why clan MPL has 33% less health than IS medium pulse laser? Why it has 50% more duration than IS MPL?
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.... Because the clan MPL fires 330m optimal vs the IS MPL's 220m? Because the cMPL does 7 damage vs the IS MPL's 6?

Come on guys, if your going to whine, find a better way to do it. 7 damage at 330m > 6 damage at 220m. At 330m the IS MPL does a crushing 3 damage.

" Oh, boo hoo, my laser that does more damage over 50% longer range has slightly less health and a longer burn time!"

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[Wintersdark]

Noglick, on 19 July 2017 - 02:29 AM, said:

Yes, but clantech is nerfed already! IS DHS has 50% more healh against C-DHS!
Besides IS mechs have quirks much more and effective than clan mechs.

Show me an IS player who would keep his 3 slot DHS with more health if given the opportunity to run 2 slot DHS with less health.

Keep in mind, a 3 slot item is more likely to take damage in the first place than a 2 shot item...

Component health really isn't terribly important.

Edited by Wintersdark, 19 July 2017 - 02:36 AM.

[G SE7EN7]

Amour/heatsink/structure menu box is terrible with drop down menus. please change back to the two button switch on previous UI build.

[Brethren]

G SE7EN7, on 19 July 2017 - 02:56 AM, said:

Amour/heatsink/structure menu box is terrible with drop down menus. please change back to the two button switch on previous UI build.

A 'two button switch' for 3 to 4 options? That's going to be interesting...

...or you just deal with it.

[Genesis23]

Noglick, on 19 July 2017 - 01:57 AM, said:

Why clan MPL has 33% less health than IS medium pulse laser? Why it has 50% more duration than IS MPL?
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not sure if trolling or just insultingly ignorant. there is nothing to explain from PGI, its just simple give-and-take. set your prefrences and play accordingly.

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[Thomasso]

Wintersdark, on 19 July 2017 - 02:36 AM, said:

Component health really isn't terribly important.

Oh it is v. important. As a mercenary and both IS and Clan tech pilot i can see clear difference in component health. But hey.. I can still hop into my BSW-HR which is a real workhorse and can take a crapload of a beating.

Still, I think that Clans are constantly nerfed again and again for the sake of a balance.

It is a problem with matchmaking in MWO.
It should be based on sth like BATTLEVALUE factor (BV for short) which should be calculated on chassis, weapons, components, etc.
Let's Clan tech be superior to IS, but at the same time BV will be higher.

For example: BV for ATLAS is 1000, and for Kodiak BV is 1300 and matchmaker should use these values to calculate what mechs should be put in what team.

Yes, in solo queue it will be easier to do than in CW, but in CW we could take it from the lore. For IS 1 Company (3 Lances, 4 Units each) - 12 mechs and for Clans it should be 1 Binary (2 Stars, 5 Units each). And/or calculating based not on tonnage but on BV factor. Let's say both teams can drop mechs woth 10000 in BV.
And voila! Done!.

[Odanan]

G SE7EN7, on 19 July 2017 - 02:56 AM, said:

Amour/heatsink/structure menu box is terrible with drop down menus. please change back to the two button switch on previous UI build.

They did that change because now there are more than 2 options.

[burns]

Ed Steele, on 18 July 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

The patch notes say that weapon visuals have not been retrofitted for all Mechs yet. There is a short list of Mechs who are already updated. The notes make no mention of when the other Mechs will get the visual updates, I assume that it will be a few chassis each patch for the next few patches.

Yes i´ve read that. Just confused by the fact that 3 others are showing up as ppc´s.
Guess nobody could imagine HBK with 4 PPC when it received it´s last spring-cleaning

[Inappropriate1]

HEY PGI...CLAN SMOKE JAG IS DEAD AT THIS POINT IN THE TIMELINE! CLAN WOLF IS NOW SPLIT IN TWO. CAN'T YOU READ THE LORE? WHERE ARE THE WOLVES IN EXILE? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO EVEN TRY AND BE ACCURATE? IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE THEN ASK SOMEONE THAT DOES. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? WHY NOT JUST ADD KAIJU AND VOLTRON IF YOU JUST DON'T CARE?

Good gravy.

Edited by Inappropriate1, 19 July 2017 - 05:39 AM.

[Genesis23]

Inappropriate1, on 19 July 2017 - 05:31 AM, said:

HEY PGI...CLAN SMOKE JAG IS DEAD AT THIS POINT IN THE TIMELINE! CLAN WOLF IS NOW SPLIT IN TWO. CAN'T YOU READ THE LORE? WHERE ARE THE WOLVES IN EXILE? HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO EVEN TRY AND BE ACCURATE? IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE THEN ASK SOMEONE THAT DOES. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? WHY NOT JUST ADD KAIJU AND VOLTRON IF YOU JUST DON'T CARE?

Good gravy.

first of, try without capslock. you will be taken more seriously [Redacted].

second, there is allready a kaiju https://mwomercs.com/resistance-heroes

Edited by draiocht, 19 July 2017 - 01:02 PM.
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[BigScwerl]

Why for the love of god? Gauss generates 1 heat...

[MovinTarget]

Bolter01, on 19 July 2017 - 01:23 AM, said:

You just gotta make heavy lazers purple!!! o7

And then you need to have a franken mech that can equip every type of laser (IS or Clan) in its CT/ST just so that I can Alpha one of each while yelling:

CAREBEAR STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cy Mitchell]

MovinTarget, on 19 July 2017 - 07:23 AM, said:

And then you need to have a franken mech that can equip every type of laser (IS or Clan) in its CT/ST just so that I can Alpha one of each while yelling:

CAREBEAR STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NVM

Edit: I edited it because I was being un-constructive and I hate when people do that. I did not want to be a hypocrite.

Edited by Rampage, 19 July 2017 - 08:17 AM.

[metallio]

Odanan, on 19 July 2017 - 03:53 AM, said:

They did that change because now there are more than 2 options.

Yes...."But"...I occasionally have to design UI components or (rarely) whole UIs...and drop downs are universally loathed by end users. They take longer to navigate, alter your eye focus, etc. Not a big deal? Sure, it's not a big deal, and it's not the first thing I'd like PGI to fix, but you can always find another way to present options. Spin buttons, radio buttons, completely different options panel that pops up when you want to mess with it, etc.