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[Khobai]

only like two of those things actually need to be kept in check. the other ones are so bad they check themselves.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Weapon synergies are good. Killing synergies leads to more boating of the same weapons. Focus on balancing the weapon groupings players use as defined roles. Don't try to nerf them out of existence.

[davoodoo]

Khobai, on 16 July 2017 - 04:18 AM, said:

only like two of those things actually need to be kept in check. the other ones are so bad they check themselves.

Thats just the list from current limititations. It goes back further.

1.5hs and gh>heavy energy boats>gauss boats(good ole gausspult, was fun buddy)>dual ac20(boomjagers)>dakka>low engines and hardpoints>quad uac10>poptarting>laservomit>dakka>lpl/llas boats>light/medium mlas boats>srm boats/lrm boats>sustained dps.

i mean i remember times when gausses were considered trash cause boomjager.
pgi already wanted to put ed and ppl screamed that uac are too op...
next step was lpl boats.

oh and ive skipped lurmpocalypse before ecm, it was put in check by ecm, but it had no impact on main chain.

Edited by davoodoo, 16 July 2017 - 05:26 AM.

[ImperialKnight]

haven't some of you guys been around long enough to know that's how PGI "balances" the game? they have no idea what they're doing and basically just nerfs every mech or weapon combo people cry about. it happened to PPCs, it happened to Gauss, it happened to lasers, it happened to UACs, it happened to freaking Machine Guns and Small Lasers

just move on to the next meta, cause the PGI pony isn't about to start learning new tricks.

[davoodoo]

balancing need to look back at changes from time to time.

6 ppc stalker would nicely be put in check by something like quad uac10 kodiak, which in turn would be put in check by 3 uac20 direwhale which would be put in check by 4 gauss kodiak which would be put in check by gausspults which would be put in check by boomjagers.

Would it be perfect? ofc no, but these are the problems with individual mechs and weapons. If everything is overpowered nothing is.

Edited by davoodoo, 16 July 2017 - 05:23 AM.

[Imperius]

davoodoo, on 16 July 2017 - 05:20 AM, said:

balancing need to look back at changes from time to time.

6 ppc stalker would nicely be put in check by something like quad uac10 kodiak, which in turn would be put in check by 3 uac20 direwhale which would be put in check by 4 gauss kodiak which would be put in check by gausspults which would be put in check by boomjagers.

Would it be perfect? ofc no, but these are the problems with individual mechs and weapons. If everything is overpowered nothing is.

Until that Urban mech gets rekt by one of those and makes a "I can't play with my lore Urban mech!" post!

[davoodoo]

Imperius, on 16 July 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

Until that Urban mech gets rekt by one of those and makes a "I can't play with my lore Urban mech!" post!

grab yourself a uac10 or rac5 scrub.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...399ce6bc45c93f5
here you go, just think uac5+ac10 ammo is rac5 and stay out of uac20 range.


have a seat and do a test run.

Edited by davoodoo, 16 July 2017 - 05:46 AM.

[Imperius]

davoodoo, on 16 July 2017 - 05:39 AM, said:

grab yourself a uac10 or rac5 scrub.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...399ce6bc45c93f5
here you go, just think uac5+ac10 ammo is rac5 and stay out of uac20 range.


have a seat and do a test run.

I'm not talking about me... I'm saying we still have people in this game that think LRM's are OP

[davoodoo]

it was a joke, but yeah, urbanmech isnt a scouting mech and you sould really use those heavy ballistic hardpoint for actual firepower.

and ppl who think lrm are op, they arent necessarily wrong, lrm are actually good counters to things like 3 uac20 direwhale and boomjagers.

though like i said, problems with lrms are problems with lrms, they cant be fixed by getting good platform(like quad uac10 kodiak) to put them on cause weapon itself is lackluster.

Edited by davoodoo, 16 July 2017 - 06:14 AM.

[Mystere]

Antares102, on 15 July 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

Me as well, this game is balanced around the potato population and not from the top like every other game.
Or better the whining potato population is balancing this game, which uses twitter and tweets Russ all the time.

What's the point of "balancing from the top"? ESports? If so, don't even bother. It's not even a blip on the radar.

Besides, it's the wrong IP to do so outside of any dedicated Solaris mode. I'd rather the spirit of the IP be fully threshed out instead.

Viktor Drake, on 15 July 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

The only thing it changes is now you have to cycle between the two weapons rather than firing all of them at the same time.

Seriously you all need to stop with the Alpha Warrior Online stuff already. Being able to click one button over and over and over and have top performance is a broken game mechanic that needs to go away.

This I can agree with.

Gas Guzzler, on 15 July 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

Also, PPC/Gauss requires 2 buttons.

I don't. I use a two-stage joystick trigger instead.

Bishop Steiner, on 15 July 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

L2M (learn to macro) bro.

Did someone say "macro"?

Gas Guzzler, on 15 July 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

In the mean time you can continue to support nerfing loudouts that are already underperforming and pretending like you care about balance.

Balance? How much time, effort, staffing, money, and other very limited resources has PGI wasted on so-called "balancing" that would have been better spent on giving substantial meat to this still skeleton of a game after 5 long fracking years? And you want them to waste some more?

Edited by Mystere, 16 July 2017 - 06:32 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

davoodoo, on 16 July 2017 - 05:20 AM, said:

balancing need to look back at changes from time to time.

6 ppc stalker would nicely be put in check by something like quad uac10 kodiak, which in turn would be put in check by 3 uac20 direwhale which would be put in check by 4 gauss kodiak which would be put in check by gausspults which would be put in check by boomjagers.

Would it be perfect? ofc no, but these are the problems with individual mechs and weapons. If everything is overpowered nothing is.

They woudn't be "put in check" by each other. They would just dominate the game.

[Clownwarlord]

Kodiak 3 ERPPC + Gauss will be converted to ... quad gauss. Yeah I may only be able to fire two at a time but I wont have to worry about heat

[Mystere]

davoodoo, on 15 July 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

I mean sure you can claim that, the fact is however that mw3 came out had no limiter, then mw3 expansion came out, had no limiter, mw4 came out had no limiter, mw4 expansion came out had no limiter, finally mektek got hands on it and put no limiter either.

I mean sure if you have some proof to your claims present it, but i cant imagine this going on without any notice for 5 iterations over 14 years and suddenly getting noticed within a year of open beta of mwo launching...

But then again in the 1990's and early 2000's CPUs and networks were not as capable then. And that's not mentioning the fact that the multiplayer portion of those games were not really the main goals of those games.

Edited by Mystere, 16 July 2017 - 08:43 AM.

[DivineTomatoes]

Adapt or die.

If you're as good as your boasting you'll be fine, but if it's the metacrutch that I suspect I will enjoy more of your try hard salt.

[Revis Volek]

davoodoo, on 16 July 2017 - 04:06 AM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...32c314d51c5565f
ill give you heat efficiency.
but 5.65 sustained dps is laughable.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1d942a562d47d6c
this thing lobs 40 dmg at range, though itll jam occasionally.
it also got 6.64 sustained dps and you really need to work hard to overheat it.

nerf laservomit and youll end with dakka and you cant nerf dakka any further.

DPS isnt worth that much in this game, DPS requires constant face time and that how mechs die in this game by exposing themselves.

This isnt HotS or some moba, DPS isnt as important as poking without return dmg being dealt to you and your mech.

[J0anna]

Lets see, Clans are stuck with 40 pinpoint damage (2 Gauss and 1 ERPPC), or 30 pinpoint damage if they make the ghost heat insane (2xGauss)

IS can get 45 (Gauss + 2x HPPC or 2xGauss + 1HPPC) or 40 (2x AC5 + 2x HPPC) if insane ghost heat....

Guess the sky isn't falling after all......

[Reno Blade]

davoodoo, on 16 July 2017 - 05:20 AM, said:

balancing need to look back at changes from time to time.

6 ppc stalker would nicely be put in check by something like quad uac10 kodiak, which in turn would be put in check by 3 uac20 direwhale which would be put in check by 4 gauss kodiak which would be put in check by gausspults which would be put in check by boomjagers.

Would it be perfect? ofc no, but these are the problems with individual mechs and weapons. If everything is overpowered nothing is.

ánd what are pilots doing without one of these? maybe using a single AC10/20? quit the game, because they get owned by 4x the dmg build?

so much fun playing in such environment... /sarcasm

and if you start with "iuf everyone..." then it should be fine if everyone is nerfed by GH, right?

[Revis Volek]

davoodoo, on 16 July 2017 - 06:12 AM, said:

it was a joke, but yeah, urbanmech isnt a scouting mech and you sould really use those heavy ballistic hardpoint for actual firepower.

and ppl who think lrm are op, they arent necessarily wrong, lrm are actually good counters to things like 3 uac20 direwhale and boomjagers.

though like i said, problems with lrms are problems with lrms, they cant be fixed by getting good platform(like quad uac10 kodiak) to put them on cause weapon itself is lackluster.

the people who think LRMS are OP are 100% wrong and if you think that for one seconds well then we know were you are in understanding the game.


once again, direct fire can deal it dmg and get back into cover before LRMs even make it to you, they are a bad weapon with many, many counters and you should feel bad for that statement. lol

LRMs are not a counter for anything other then Polar Highlands.

[Nightbird]

Reaver2145, on 16 July 2017 - 06:46 AM, said:

Adapt or die.

My wallet has certainly died, got 150$ credit on the civil war pack.

[Revis Volek]

Reaver2145, on 16 July 2017 - 06:46 AM, said:

Adapt or die.

If you're as good as your boasting you'll be fine, but if it's the metacrutch that I suspect I will enjoy more of your try hard salt.

Well i can see you didnt read this thread at all, no one here is crying about losing a META CRUCTH because gauss isnt the meta anymore.

You are 6 months behind and lost in the woods to boot. If you read the thread you would see that we arent upset about anything other then being pigeon holed into builds by PGI. They are taking away build diversity which is something that goes against what they have always said and that was "play how you want"


well i wanna poke with gauss and ppc's but the terribads say that its too hard. SO i will just switch to one click laser vomit ebj and gauss vomit crows, tbr, ntg, dual gauss dual erll MAD...


You see how this did nothing to stop me from killing bads at range, it just made it so i have to resepec a few mech and change their loadouts.

NlGHTBlRD, on 16 July 2017 - 06:56 AM, said:

My wallet has certainly died, got 150$ credit on the civil war pack.

Im about to do the same, getting a return on my Escalation mechs.

Edited by Revis Volek, 16 July 2017 - 07:00 AM.