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[Stonefalcon]

I'll just leave this here.

.....[Redacted]

Edited by McValium, 25 July 2017 - 12:22 PM.
lets not start bad ideas...

[Alexander of Macedon]

Vortex013, on 25 July 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

The Macross franchise failed to deliver and now they try to steal something from the our community? Acually it feels more like piracy from their side. Whatever goes into this law suit will be actually not invested into MWO... sad.

You don't know what you're talking about. Those HG ******* mangled SDFM and have comprehensively blocked any release of new Macross material in the west. If there's anyone that detests HG more than a Battletech fan, it's a Macross fan.

[Metus regem]

Alexander of Macedon, on 25 July 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

You don't know what you're talking about. Those HG ******* mangled SDFM and have comprehensively blocked any release of new Macross material in the west. If there's anyone that detests HG more than a Battletech fan, it's a Macross fan.

Edited by Metus regem, 25 July 2017 - 02:34 PM.

[Commander A9]

Wasn't Harmony Gold's last lawsuit tossed when the Warhammer and Marauder were released?

[Requiemking]

Commander A9, on 25 July 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

Wasn't Harmony Gold's last lawsuit tossed when the Warhammer and Marauder were released?

Possibly. I wasn't around then, so I really wouldn't know.

[Tarl Cabot]

http://bg.battletech...p?topic=58142.0

[Anjian]

Infringing material

[Zergling]

https://www.unitedst...42820/32-0.html

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Prior to when the Plaintiff filed the Complaint, Plaintiff asserted rights to the robot warrior

images set out in the Complaint. Because of that assertion, in an effort to avoid litigation, and at

plaintiff’s request, Piranha provided some images of robot warriors to Plaintiff in order to determine

whether Plaintiff would object to them. Piranha wished to use these images commercially, but did

not want to do so if litigation would ensue. After providing Plaintiff with the opportunity to inspect

and provide input on at least two occasions, it became clear to Piranha that Plaintiff would object to

Piranha’s commercial use of virtually any image of a robot warrior. So, Piranha set out to create all

new original artwork for its robot warriors for the MechWarrior Online game without further

communication with Plaintiff.

tl:dr PGI was willing to cooperate with HG by sending new design images to HG to have them check if they were ok, but HG was being a royal **** about it by claiming ANY sort of mech design infringed on their alleged copyrights. So PGI just gave up on communicating with them.

[Kin3ticX]

Stonefalcon, on 25 July 2017 - 12:18 PM, said:

I'll just leave this here.

.....[Redacted]

I only saw what you did because it was in my email. Love it.

[NeonKnight]

Just wanted to point out a neat little fact a lot of folks seem to not see.

Lawsuit filed on March 1, 2017

March 6, 2017 HBS announced there would be a huge delay in releasing the backers BETA.

https://www.kickstar...h/posts/1824640

[chucklesMuch]

So in true mwo dissatifaction styles what products can we boycott?

[MW Waldorf Statler]

The macross Defender (BT rifleman ) is not a special HG Design , is a Tunguska Russia AA with Legs...not enough of own creativity for Copyright?!




same design used Games Workshop for his Hydra Design

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tl:dr PGI was willing to cooperate with HG by sending new design images to HG to have them check if they were ok, but HG was being a royal **** about it by claiming ANY sort of mech design infringed on their alleged copyrights. So PGI just gave up on communicating with them.

Thats Cracy ....Transformers now by HG , Patlabor,Front Mission ...next Lawsuit HG against disney for use of AT-ST and AT-AT design?

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 25 July 2017 - 11:43 PM.

[Kargush]

I'd like to borrow a quote from elsewhere regarding the "stupid images comparison" in the documents.

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Nobody can seriously argue that the two actually look alike beyond being bipedal combat robots, which is not a viable argument. The rest of the Phoenix redesigns were likewise different enough from the originals.

HG didn't even bother to make the argument.

If you are still banging on about the Atlas stuff, I refer you to my earlier statement. That is not an argument HG expects to win, it's something they're throwing in there so they have room to negotiate down to what they actually want.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the truth of it. It's merely a way for HG to allow the others to save a bit of face when it comes to negotiations. "We'll drop this bit right here, and you agree to our terms on this bit over here. Or else."

Old MW4 Ranger, on 25 July 2017 - 11:14 PM, said:

Thats Cracy ....Transformers now by HG , Patlabor,Front Mission ...next Lawsuit HG against disney for use of AT-ST and AT-AT design?

HG only goes after companies with less money than they have themselves. Those they can bully into submission with lawyers.

[Requiemking]

Kargush, on 25 July 2017 - 11:29 PM, said:

HG only goes after companies with less money than they have themselves. Those they can bully into submission with lawyers.

Apparently they have forgotten that strategy, because in this court case they are attacking CGL, PGI and HBS all at once.

[Kargush]

Requiemking, on 25 July 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

Apparently they have forgotten that strategy, because in this court case they are attacking CGL, PGI and HBS all at once.

As I understand it, HG has quite a bit of money. They're more than just a cartoon company, after all. And since PGI and HBS both used crowd-funding for their games, I have to wonder how much money they actually have.

EDIT: And I also understand (though I may have misunderstood) that CGL didn't even bother to show up to defend themselves.

EDIT II: I also understand (though I haven't read the case myself) that the original deal between HG and FASA boils down to "we, and anyone who in the future hold/use the BT rights are bound by this agreement." Which means that FASA rolling over back in the day can (and likely will) be used against PGI, HBS, and CGL. And they can't claim they didn't know about it either, because Weisman knew about it, and he's been buried to the hilt in the BT rear since forever.

Edited by Kargush, 25 July 2017 - 11:41 PM.

[Requiemking]

Kargush, on 25 July 2017 - 11:34 PM, said:

As I understand it, HG has quite a bit of money. They're more than just a cartoon company, after all. And since PGI and HBS both used crowd-funding for their games, I have to wonder how much money they actually have.

EDIT: And I also understand (though I may have misunderstood) that CGL didn't even bother to show up to defend themselves.

EDIT II: I also understand (though I haven't read the case myself) that the original deal between HG and FASA boils down to "we, and anyone who in the future hold/use the BT rights are bound by this agreement." Which means that FASA rolling over back in the day can (and likely will) be used against PGI, HBS, and CGL. And they can't claim they didn't know about it either, because Weisman knew about it, and he's been buried to the hilt in the BT rear since forever.

However, HG doesn't actually have the rights to the mechs themselves. Only the distribution rights, and even those weren't properly attained. In fact, this is pointed out in the same document.

[Kargush]

Requiemking, on 25 July 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

However, HG doesn't actually have the rights to the mechs themselves. Only the distribution rights, and even those weren't properly attained. In fact, this is pointed out in the same document.

Yet they still won several cases in the past. And those victories, combined with the afforementioned deal with FASA, is probably what they'll use to shift things their way. Case law in the US thrives on precedent. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised that part of their argument if this does go all the way before a judge is that PGI and HBS are violating HG's right to distribution, by using similar designs, and combining this with "in all these other cases, the law came down on our side."

EDIT: PGI might be able to fight this with their money and lawyers. But they're not the only ones in this mess, and if Weisman or HBS goes to the block, the damage might even reach PGI.

Imagine the havoc if people suddenly lose their Warhammers and Archers and whathaveyou.

EDIT II: Straight from the horse's mouth. Emphasis mine.

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Sadly, some of the information we acted upon turned out to be inaccurate. Twelve of the ‘Unseen’ images previously used within the BattleTech universe were involved in a court case in the 1990s: Archer, Longbow, Rifleman, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Marauder, Stinger LAM, Wasp LAM and Phoenix Hawk LAM. This we knew. But at the end of that court case, as part of a confidential settlement, it was agreed that the sole and exclusive world-wide right to these images (outside of Japan) would rest with another US company.

That's from Randall Bills, of CGL.

Edited by Kargush, 26 July 2017 - 12:00 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Juodas Varnas, on 25 July 2017 - 10:12 AM, said:

Is it just me, or is the Warhammer concept seems to be... Stretched vertically? I can only assume to resemble the proportions of the "original" more.

will be hard in court to actually fake those stretch as any defendr will easily show the adjusted fake screens vs. originals.

[Lily from animove]

Old MW4 Ranger, on 25 July 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

better as many FASA Creations years later ...Viper.



.Komodo..thats Thing not going one step without crash to teh Ground ,the Bodybalancepoint outer the Balance point of the Sumolike Legs..or later the Dark Age and Protomech crap

This one looks like he is just pooping hard.

[NeonKnight]

Kargush, on 25 July 2017 - 11:50 PM, said:

Yet they still won several cases in the past. And those victories, combined with the afforementioned deal with FASA, is probably what they'll use to shift things their way. Case law in the US thrives on precedent. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised that part of their argument if this does go all the way before a judge is that PGI and HBS are violating HG's right to distribution, by using similar designs, and combining this with "in all these other cases, the law came down on our side."

EDIT: PGI might be able to fight this with their money and lawyers. But they're not the only ones in this mess, and if Weisman or HBS goes to the block, the damage might even reach PGI.

Imagine the havoc if people suddenly lose their Warhammers and Archers and whathaveyou.

EDIT II: Straight from the horse's mouth. Emphasis mine.



That's from Randall Bills, of CGL.

Source?