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[DerMaulwurf]

Frankly speaking, I haven't really noticed much of a difference either in waiting times or match quality.

[kapusta11]

El Bandito, on 08 September 2017 - 01:12 AM, said:

Didn't players whine about how overbloated T1 is, with this upwards biased PSR system? There should be no problem queuing as a T1.

Whine? That's a legitimate complaint.

[El Bandito]

kapusta11, on 08 September 2017 - 01:27 AM, said:

Whine? That's a legitimate complaint.

You get the idea, nevertheless.

[Aramuside]

Tiewolf, on 07 September 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

I am sorry but that is not happening here in MWo. The only thing that you try to justify with "learning" is the enjoyment to club inexerienced players. They learn nothing cause nobody tells em why they died or what they can do better. And even if they knew it, it takes a lot of practice time, map knowledge, strategy, communication, the right equipment (like a mouse with more then 2 buttons or a mic), A GOOD PING and so on to pull it off. Did you ever consider the fact that if no one would use cover, focus targets, seek good trades etc. nobody would have a problem or have to "learn" something? The fact that veteran players found tactics to dominate others and force everybody to adopt those tactics or have a bad experience doesn`t make anything right or makes you a better player. if everybody would adopt the tryhards tactics they would create new tactics or use equipment the others can`t affort till they dominate again. I short it will never gona happen that the majority of players catch up so plz stop preaching this you only have to learn bull**** on the forum cause its a dynamic process where you can`t catch up by learning cause the dominators don`t want other ppl on an equal footing .

0/10 for accuracy but 10/10 for self defeating rant quality.

Knowledge and skill is everything in this game so your complaint is odd. The information is available to help yourself learn and even people like Proton regularly stream and answer questions. I get that he's not the most dynamic of streamers but English isn't his first language either. His information is top notch and when he discusses builds or tactics its superb quality (https://www.twitch.tv/prtn_spz). If you prefer someone more fun try Th3B33f as he's a good pilot and full of personality (https://www.youtube.com/user/th3b33f). There are a lot of other streamers like Kanajashi or Baradul who interact with anyone who asks questions. Then there's the forums here or at mechspecs. Whatever your poison is just go learn from them. Complaining won't help you win matches.

Edited by Aramuside, 08 September 2017 - 01:56 AM.

[sycocys]

Can't really see this making any difference as nearly every single player is t3 or higher after about 25-50 matches.

[Hestan]

Noticed I am stuck with 6 or 7 really bad players who often can't even break 100 damage.

[Lykaon]

Aramuside, on 08 September 2017 - 01:55 AM, said:

0/10 for accuracy but 10/10 for self defeating rant quality.

Knowledge and skill is everything in this game so your complaint is odd. The information is available to help yourself learn and even people like Proton regularly stream and answer questions. I get that he's not the most dynamic of streamers but English isn't his first language either. His information is top notch and when he discusses builds or tactics its superb quality (https://www.twitch.tv/prtn_spz). If you prefer someone more fun try Th3B33f as he's a good pilot and full of personality (https://www.youtube.com/user/th3b33f). There are a lot of other streamers like Kanajashi or Baradul who interact with anyone who asks questions. Then there's the forums here or at mechspecs. Whatever your poison is just go learn from them. Complaining won't help you win matches.

But...but...solutions? why?

Seriously though this guys complaints essentially amount to "I wanna be doing the clubbing but don't want to work at it" .

[Ruar]

While this is a good change, it's not the problem with the MM. The problem is how people are placed in tiers. I'm a tier 2 and half way to tier 1 and it doesn't really make sense. I play marginal mechs in ways that do not maximize my score, yet I have consistently moved through the tiers.

The first step in fixing the MM begins with changing the PSR to actually reflect player skill.

[Dogstar]

I think that maybe if we stopped looking at the tiers as a skill rating and started looking at them as a wealth rating it would all make more sense.

You get rewarded with a PSR increase if you do well in a match - this also rewards you with more cash. It takes a lot of games to build up the cash to have have a useful number of fully equipped and fully skill treed mechs.

Thus the higher someone's tier, the more likely they are to have a decent mech (on average and excluding those times when people play 'bad' builds for fun).

Therefore it makes sense to group the players with the 'best' mechs together in games and away from the ones with the 'worst' mechs.

Yes this does disadvantage the people who play exclusively IS mechs but then nostalgia is expensive.

So TLDR: Tier does not measure skill it measures wealth

[XDevilsChariotX]

I'm Tier 1 about half way through it. Been playing around 7 months or so now. I do NOT belong in Tier 1 I can tell you that much. The problem definitely lies within the PSR. Until they actually fix that, this will always be a mess I believe and if they ever do fix the PSR, I want some kind of item to reset my PSR. On the other hand now, this new MM system has divided an already low populated game. I think it would have made more sense to make it Tier 1 to Tier 3 and Tier 5 to Tier 3. I hope they figure this out soon as I been getting my *** handed to me more than normal lol

[Lorcryst NySell]

Bigbacon, on 07 September 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

Also...kind of a silly move since moving down tiers is impossible. eventually everyone will end up in 1.

I like the world you live in, can I get an invite ?

I actually went down from Tier 4 to Tier 5 after stopping playing for a while and forgotting the basics.

[Kotzi]

You forgot to point and click?

[Lorcryst NySell]

Exilyth, on 07 September 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Can't say if mm has improved, haven't got enough matches yet.

If you queue up for 60 matches and each match takes 1 minute to find a matchup, that's one hour of wasted time.
If match quality really improved, that might be worth the wait.

60 matches with an average match duration of 10 minutes is TEN HOURS.

If you have 10 hours of free time each day to play a computer time, wasting an hour (your words) is not even on the table.

Do you have a job ? Need to get groceries to eat ? Family ?

I really don't understand this culture of instant gratification ...

Kotzi, on 08 September 2017 - 04:51 AM, said:

You forgot to point and click?

If only it was this simple.

I can point and click all I want, if my target moves and I cannot predict where it will go using my Awesome Mind Powers, I won't hit.

[Lorcryst NySell]

ShadowHimself, on 07 September 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

Experienced wait times in excess of 40 minutes today, in multiple group sizes, times of the day, and tiers, what did this actually solve? Having t1s was the only thing keeping everyone on their toes :3

40 minutes ? HOW ?

Longest I had to wait, ever, was 12 minutes for a FP match at the worst hour of the night with almost no-one logged on ...

[Lorcryst NySell]

sycocys, on 08 September 2017 - 02:16 AM, said:

Can't really see this making any difference as nearly every single player is t3 or higher after about 25-50 matches.

Can you teach me how to do that ? I personnaly know a dozen players that never went out of Tier 5 in 75 matches, myself included.

We are not good, yes.

But most of the players in the game DON'T reach Tier 3 in 25 to 50 matches.

So, again, HOW ?

[Kotzi]

Be active. There is points for several stuff. Protected light, spotting, tagging narcing. There was a thread with a table of rewards, Cbill and XP wise. But this forumsearch sucks hard and it seems you cant search now.

I never manage to loose any inch on that xp bar, playing almost only group queue and with mechs i have to level.

Found it: https://mwomercs.com...-get-xp-and-cb/

Edited by Kotzi, 08 September 2017 - 05:59 AM.

[Lorcryst NySell]

Kotzi, on 08 September 2017 - 05:55 AM, said:

Be active. There is points for several stuff. Protected light, spotting, tagging narcing. There was a thread with a table of rewards, Cbill and XP wise. But this forumsearch sucks hard and it seems you cant search now.

I never manage to loose any inch on that xp bar, playing almost only group queue and with mechs i have to level.

Yes, I know that.

Most of my come from protected, spotting etc

I even had games where I got two kills, one solo one Most Damage, several assists, lots of bonuses, 500+ damage ... and my team lost, potato-me being the top damage dealer, and STILL my PSR went down.

I've NEVER seen that "upward bias" in Tiers, in more than a year of trying to "git gud".

Even when I'm in top form with a mech I know by heart with a nice ping, I *CANNOT* win a 12vs12 match all by myself, and my xp bar goes down much more often than up.

Yes, being bad and personnal bias, yes.

Still haven't seen anyone outside of a veteran player making a new account getting to Tier 3 in 25 to 50 matches.

[Luminis]

Lorcryst NySell, on 08 September 2017 - 04:45 AM, said:

I like the world you live in, can I get an invite ?

I actually went down from Tier 4 to Tier 5 after stopping playing for a while and forgotting the basics.

Yeah, there are obviously going to be a few player that just can't climb. Those are going to be exceptions, though.

Lorcryst NySell, on 08 September 2017 - 05:47 AM, said:

So, again, HOW ?

What sort of 'Mechs are you using?

Easiest way to improve performance immediately is to improve your tools.

[Vxheous]

Lorcryst NySell, on 08 September 2017 - 05:47 AM, said:

Can you teach me how to do that ? I personnaly know a dozen players that never went out of Tier 5 in 75 matches, myself included.

We are not good, yes.

But most of the players in the game DON'T reach Tier 3 in 25 to 50 matches.

So, again, HOW ?

I offered to teach you months back, you logged in, and then left me hanging for 3 hours. You told me the next day that you almost burned down your kitchen, so I said OK, I'll teach you again another day. Msged you, never got a reply again. BTW, I rolled an alt, got Tier 3 in 2 matches.

Since this was before anyone can just use private lobby without premium time, I actually logged both my wife's account in on her computer and mine so I could properly host a private lobby to teach you, but you no-showed me. Your loss I guess

Edited by Vxheous, 08 September 2017 - 06:12 AM.

[Lorcryst NySell]

Vxheous, on 08 September 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

I offered to teach you months back, you logged in, and then left me hanging for 3 hours. You told me the next day that you almost burned down your kitchen, so I said OK, I'll teach you again another day. Msged you, never got a reply again. BTW, I rolled an alt, got Tier 3 in 2 matches.

Since this was before anyone can just use private lobby without premium time, I actually logged both my wife's account in on her computer and mine so I could properly host a private lobby to teach you, but you no-showed me. Your loss I guess

Yeah, I remember that ... LIFE got in the way, I was without 'Net access for three months and my building actually burned down a week or so later ...

You went from "noob" to Tier 3 in TWO matches ?????

WHOA !

Luminis, on 08 September 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

What sort of 'Mechs are you using?

Easiest way to improve performance immediately is to improve your tools.

Non-meta 'Mechs with nostalgia factor from when I played the first edition of the TT game in 1988 ...