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[Lightfoot]

Storm Crow is a medium mech, if MWO wasn't nerfed out the arse we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

Asriel Dreemur, on 31 October 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

I just think it's inherently imbalanced that the IS gets to go up to 55 tons while the Clans only get to go up to 50 tons.

Actually no it isn’t. In most of the fights I’ve been in the Inner Sphere needs at least a 20t ( if not slightly more ) weight advantage to put both teams on an equal footing making for a somewhat balanced battle, result wise.

Edited by ZippySpeedMonkey, 31 October 2017 - 02:34 PM.

[Lunatic NEo]

Did i hear Steiner Scout Lance?

[Tordin]

Give em it back, we IS got quyite a few mediums ourself that can handle it, IF piloted right against such a crow.

[Angel of Annihilation]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 28 October 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

No. Good riddance to it.

One of the really unfun / unfair aspects of scout is when you as an Inner Sphere player came up against premades of nothing but Stormcrows.

Believe me it happened quite frequently and is one of the reasons why I refused to participate in Faction Play.

That was before alot of the new IS mechs made into the game. Now when I am playing on the Clans side I am like, "Crap it is a Bushwacker, that is going to be a royal bit_h to take out". I don't know if adding back in the Stormcrow would make a bit of difference to things now because as someone pointed out, the Huntsman actually is pretty darn good but I do honestly feel that the IS has much better mechs in the 40-55 ton range, than the Clans do overall anyway. This gives the IS a pretty significant advantage in scouting.

[Lunatic NEo]

Even with a Stormcrow i bet Clan can do better with Huntsman and Hunchbacks vs the Bushwackers and Assassins.

[Grus]

Racerxintegra2k, on 28 October 2017 - 07:55 AM, said:

As an Innersphere loyalist i think clans should get there Stormcrow back in scouting. The IS has a number of competitive mechs in that weight class that can match it now.

Further more i think clans need another 55 Ton mech. What do you guys think ?

all we need is the nova so... I'm ok with it staying like it is.

[Asym]

What? Scouting is nothing about data and is all about damage, bring the Crows Back NOW....

I am sick to death of getting stomped by nothing but teams of bushwackers and having NOTHING that can brawl with them and "getting GuD" has nothing to do with a power-to-weight disparity that can't be overcome..... I've played 42 scouting matches and only was on the winning team 4 times and only 23 of the matches had match scores I needed for the event......

So, we've lost a least 2 player yesterday to this nightmare (and, I'll check on them to see if they've calmed down and stay in the game) and others have just given up.... One guy is now piloting a LRM boat and hovers around 500 meters all match long because he's sick-to-death of endless brawling on a FP mission that is suppose to be about collecting data not damage.

Good grief, this suppose to be fun!

Edited by Asym, 01 November 2017 - 06:53 AM.

[Verilligo]

Asym, on 01 November 2017 - 06:53 AM, said:

What? Scouting is nothing about data and is all about damage, bring the Crows Back NOW....

I am sick to death of getting stomped by nothing but teams of bushwackers and having NOTHING that can brawl with them and "getting GuD" has nothing to do with a power-to-weight disparity that can't be overcome..... I've played 42 scouting matches and only was on the winning team 4 times and only 23 of the matches had match scores I needed for the event......

So, we've lost a least 2 player yesterday to this nightmare (and, I'll check on them to see if they've calmed down and stay in the game) and others have just given up.... One guy is now piloting a LRM boat and hovers around 500 meters all match long because he's sick-to-death of endless brawling on a FP mission that is suppose to be about collecting data not damage.

Good grief, this suppose to be fun!

Are you not using a Huntsman? MPL or SRM boat Huntsman is really all you need to stay competitive with Bushies if you aim for the legs like you need to. Regardless, I'm not sure I can see what the Stormcrow can do that would vastly outpace what the Bushie can do in terms of scouting. The Stormcrow invests a lot of its extra tonnage over the Huntsman into its engine, so it's not like it gives Clanners all that much more firepower.

[Asym]

I know in my Stormcrow I can and have dealt with bushwackers time and time again.... The SCR can take a licking and keep on ticking as the saying goes.

Huntsman? Never tired one and I have SCR's.... Why pick up another mech class???

Scouting should be about the data and not about the damage anyway. Thanks for the advice but MWO has a big problem and it's coming to a head pretty soon: at what point does the niche and the niche spending implode because we're losing more players than we are gaining..... This event "turned off" at least 2 new players; and, I may be sticking around for a little while longer (till operation Overmatch drops it's beta) and will not completely leave........but, is that what MWO wants??? To be a default niche? Everyone I know are chasing dinosaurs or are being pirates in space 80% of their playing time and 20% to MWO.....if that.

SCR and any 55 ton-er needs to be added to Scouting......NOW.

Edited by Asym, 01 November 2017 - 07:52 AM.

[Lunatic NEo]

Use a LBX40 Hunchback, its that easy...

[Gas Guzzler]

Jun Watarase, on 28 October 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

The funny thing is the stormcrow will still lose to bushwackers SRM boats in scouting because the bushwacker is so much tougher with better hitboxes.

Yeah, brawling was really never the Stormcrow's niche. cSPL boating worked, but the 'crow always felt more at home in a light hunter role, or massed laser vomit. 2 HLL, 5 ERML works pretty nicely actually.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Asym, on 01 November 2017 - 06:53 AM, said:

What? Scouting is nothing about data and is all about damage, bring the Crows Back NOW....

I am sick to death of getting stomped by nothing but teams of bushwackers and having NOTHING that can brawl with them and "getting GuD" has nothing to do with a power-to-weight disparity that can't be overcome..... I've played 42 scouting matches and only was on the winning team 4 times and only 23 of the matches had match scores I needed for the event......

So, we've lost a least 2 player yesterday to this nightmare (and, I'll check on them to see if they've calmed down and stay in the game) and others have just given up.... One guy is now piloting a LRM boat and hovers around 500 meters all match long because he's sick-to-death of endless brawling on a FP mission that is suppose to be about collecting data not damage.

Good grief, this suppose to be fun!

Best piece of advice is to talk with some Clan units that know how to consistently handle the IS in scouting and then adjust accordingly. I would be glad to invite you along on a scout drop with 07. The last couple of days we are mostly loot bagging in QP..but we did do a few scouts a couple of days ago vs. IS and went 5-0 (IS had zero kills even, and we killed all 20). Mostly vs. Bushwackers. So...it can be done. Just stop by our TS on Strana Mechty if you are interested in dropping with us.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Gas Guzzler, on 01 November 2017 - 08:40 AM, said:

Yeah, brawling was really never the Stormcrow's niche. cSPL boating worked, but the 'crow always felt more at home in a light hunter role, or massed laser vomit. 2 HLL, 5 ERML works pretty nicely actually.

I think the assassin would perhaps have more to fear (than the bushwacker) from the return of the Stormcrow.

[Pariah Devalis]

Asym, on 01 November 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

I know in my Stormcrow I can and have dealt with bushwackers time and time again.... The SCR can take a licking and keep on ticking as the saying goes.

Huntsman? Never tired one and I have SCR's.... Why pick up another mech class???

Scouting should be about the data and not about the damage anyway. Thanks for the advice but MWO has a big problem and it's coming to a head pretty soon: at what point does the niche and the niche spending implode because we're losing more players than we are gaining..... This event "turned off" at least 2 new players; and, I may be sticking around for a little while longer (till operation Overmatch drops it's beta) and will not completely leave........but, is that what MWO wants??? To be a default niche? Everyone I know are chasing dinosaurs or are being pirates in space 80% of their playing time and 20% to MWO.....if that.

SCR and any 55 ton-er needs to be added to Scouting......NOW.

Mechs and weapons are tools. If you are 4 for 42, then the problem lies in you picking the wrong tools for the job and/or using the tools you have badly. I'm sorry, but you are the common denominator, there.

If you refuse to use anything but a hammer when you need a scalpel, expect tears. In this case, scouting requires a certain set of tools. Broad tools. Essentially ASRM and ERSLas being the primary ones, with MG starting to be semi-useful, and MPLas having a limited place. SSRM are far from optimal, but not the worst thing you can take. However, not ERLLas. Not ERMLas or HML. Not LRM or LPLas. If your only scout capable mech is one which cannot effectively do the job, it is time to get yourself another mech because evidently the tool you have is the wrong one for the job.

I almost exclusively scout in faction play. I detest invasion mode. Feel free to look up my faction stats for loyalist pilots, if you like. However, I have a proven track record of overwhelming success there, and I've done it with a wide range of mechs that follow simple concepts. You can find a handful of those mechs here:

https://mwomercs.com...couting-builds/

Protip: Aim for legs. Only legs. Don't shoot anything but legs unless your enemy gives you a free backshot, and even then sometimes it is still better to just go for the feet. Also, stick together with your allies. Focus on the brawl, not the data. When the fight starts, it's all in or else you all die one by one. I don't care what you want the game mode to be (in data collection), what it is involves actually taking down your enemies.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 01 November 2017 - 09:26 AM.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Davegt27, on 30 October 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

OP lol what Mechs are those

do you even play FP?

Bushwacker several builds not just splat. Assassin, Griffin even the Kintaro,Centurion and Shadowhawk. 502nd play scouting pretty frequently. We don't have much issue winning our fair share.

Khobai, on 31 October 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

and id rather see it go down to 40 tons. im sick of fighting 4 bushwhackers constantly.

40 tons would be shorter more faster paced games

Get a Nova, put 10 ER Small lasers and 4 machine guns ... aim at a bushwackers legs. They go down just like any other mech.

[The Zohan]

Scouting is such a terrible gamemode (just like everything FP related), I doubt it´ll make a difference if we get back the Scrow. Post skilltree that makes IS mechs as tanky as a clan mech 10-20 tons heavier, we´d honestly need the Linebacker or other heavys to compete vs 4x Bushwacker lances. Scouting should be for light mechs only.

Edit: just to clarify: I am not proposing to actually add heavy mechs for clans in scouting. I am just saying.

Edited by The Zohan, 01 November 2017 - 10:06 AM.

[Verilligo]

Asym, on 01 November 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

I know in my Stormcrow I can and have dealt with bushwackers time and time again.... The SCR can take a licking and keep on ticking as the saying goes.

Huntsman? Never tired one and I have SCR's.... Why pick up another mech class???

Scouting should be about the data and not about the damage anyway. Thanks for the advice but MWO has a big problem and it's coming to a head pretty soon: at what point does the niche and the niche spending implode because we're losing more players than we are gaining..... This event "turned off" at least 2 new players; and, I may be sticking around for a little while longer (till operation Overmatch drops it's beta) and will not completely leave........but, is that what MWO wants??? To be a default niche? Everyone I know are chasing dinosaurs or are being pirates in space 80% of their playing time and 20% to MWO.....if that.

SCR and any 55 ton-er needs to be added to Scouting......NOW.

If you refuse to adapt to the situation, you have only yourself to blame for what becomes of you. I'd suggest that instead of trying to stick a square peg into a round hole, you learn woodcrafting so you can create a round peg and discover new alternatives while more easily pegging holes. In other words... it may not be that the game and game mode are broken, but that there is a fundamental part of your thought process off the battlefield that could use some work.

Given your profession, adapting to an ever-changing "market" should be second nature to you, so I'm positive you can do it.

[VonBruinwald]

Asym, on 01 November 2017 - 06:53 AM, said:

I am sick to death of getting stomped by nothing but teams of bushwackers and having NOTHING that can brawl with them and "getting GuD" has nothing to do with a power-to-weight disparity that can't be overcome.....

The irony is the exact same thing is happening in Invasion matches. The only difference is it's the IS getting stomped instead.

You want to play EZ mode invasion, drop Clan.
You want to play EZ mode scouting, drop IS.
You can't have it both ways.

[Stridercal]

Scouting Mode should 45 tons and lower, period.