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[Cy Mitchell]

Edited by Rampage, 10 December 2017 - 08:54 AM.

[Lykaon]

Oh nice battling in space Vegas.

[Khalcruth]

Looks like it might be a bit hardware intensive, what with the videos on the buildings. And Tina is nice and all, and a pretty lady, but I don't know if that's really what I want on the buildings. It seems a bit crass and objectifying, for some reason. I think she deserves better treatment than that.

[Muujig612]

There better be a lot of destructible environment.

[Revis Volek]

Khalcruth, on 10 December 2017 - 09:18 AM, said:

Looks like it might be a bit hardware intensive, what with the videos on the buildings. And Tina is nice and all, and a pretty lady, but I don't know if that's really what I want on the buildings. It seems a bit crass and objectifying, for some reason. I think she deserves better treatment than that.

what?


Shes the spokes person for Jump Jet Fuel ™ Energy Drink!






I really dont see what you are getting triggered about, being the face for a product (even a fake one) is in no way objectifying anyone. Im sure she wasnt forced and was more then happy to help the game and make something fun.


You know her voice is on one of the walkie talkie warhorns right (i think its her)? Is this also a problem that women are allowed to do as they wish? Should we worry for her well being because her voice was used (more then likely willingly) in a video game??!!

Edited by Revis Volek, 10 December 2017 - 09:45 AM.

[Thorqemada]

Reminds me of a pretty old benchmark (Win95 era) that used a neon lighted City with huge signs and housefronts becoming big tv screens - gives a very unique flair.

[LT. HARDCASE]

RIP to all of you who have potato laptops. That looks intensive.

Khalcruth, on 10 December 2017 - 09:18 AM, said:

And Tina is nice and all, and a pretty lady, but I don't know if that's really what I want on the buildings. It seems a bit crass and objectifying, for some reason. I think she deserves better treatment than that.

Crass and objectifying? Dude it's her face. You're acting like they forced her into a bikini or something.

[Appogee]

Map looks interesting. Can't wait to play on it! Ridley Scott will also be flattered.

Revis Volek, on 10 December 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

I really dont see what you are getting triggered about, being the face for a product (even a fake one) is in no way objectifying anyone.

Why is she the face of the product? Because she's pretty? That's the definition of objectification.

(Consider why it's not Paul, Russ, Bryan, Daeron or Phil up on that billboard.)

If Tina was dressed up as Mechwarrior, promoting JJ Fuel Drink as some kind of performance booster (or whatever it claims to do) that would be different. It wouldn't be about her looks, it would be about her endorsement as an 'expert consumer'. Instead, the way it looks at the moment is more reminiscent of a 50's era eye candy adjunct to an unrelated product.

I suppose, If that's how she wants to be depicted... well fine, that's her choice. We'll never know how comfortable or otherwise she feels about it.

But if I was PGI, I'd avoid this whole perception issue by either changing her to more of a 'prototypical Mechwarrior', and/or adding a male advertisement to the rotation.

Edited by Appogee, 10 December 2017 - 10:15 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Appogee, on 10 December 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Why is she the face of the product? Because she's pretty? That's the definition of objectification.

If Tina she was dressed up as Mechwarrior, promoting JJ Fuel Drink from some kind of performance booster (or whatever it claims to do) that would be different. It wouldn't be about her looks, it would be about her endorsement as a role model.

Instead, it looks more like she's depicted as an old-fashioned eye candy adjunct to an unrelated product.

I suppose, If that's how she wants to be depicted... well, fine I guess, that's her choice. We'll never know how comfortable or otherwise she feels about it.

If I was PGI, I'd either change her to more of a 'prototypical Mechwarrior', and/or add a male advertisement to the rotation. That would even things out and avoid the unpleasant implications I outlined above.

Sarcasm is lost on this one...



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Why is it about her looks at all? How is she not a mechwarrior already? She can be whatever she wants to be right? We you have no idea what she really is other then a female appearing in a fake ad in a video game. What makes a women a mechwarrior? What makes her not? Why is this even a topic of discussion?

LOL! I see no eye candy, I see a smiling person this one a female with a hat on her head. What is old fashion about a Modern city in a futuristic game with ads on the buildings and flashing lights? Why is this even a topic of discussion?

Prototypical mechwarrior? Why is everyone in 3060 a mechwarrior or has to be? No one here has to conform to your ideas of how a women should be in this day and age? Its also 100% fiction dude you are so worried about it then call some SJW warriors or something.


If that how she WANTS to be depicted? Like its bad or something? She can do whatever she wants man... Can you breath up there all the way on top of your cloud of judgement? Handing down life lesson to us peasants is hard work huh?

Edited by Revis Volek, 10 December 2017 - 10:24 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

CPU intensive?? lol no. This is a 7 year old game. If for some reason in 2017/18 you can't play MWO on a computer, you shouldn't be on a computer.

I'm sure (Tina) was fine and stoked about being able to be in game, I would be, but ya she looks too homely with that brown/tan stocking cap on and they should make her look more like she's doing an ad for something that would exist in the Mechwarrior universe.
Either way, map looks pretty damn cool and a totally different take from what he have seen. Innovation is what this game needs.

Edited by JackalBeast, 10 December 2017 - 10:24 AM.

[Damnedtroll]

That's freakin cool ! All the city part of maps are so grey! So cool to have something flashy a bit !

Do someone know if we will be able to play in day light on this map ?

NB: And for the publicity stuff, have you even looked in a women oriented magazine lately? It's far worse than this add and it's for women...

[Jackal Noble]

Damnedtroll, on 10 December 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

That's freakin cool ! All the city part of maps are so grey! So cool to have something flashy a bit !

Do someone know if we will be able to play in day light on this map ?

NB: And for the publicity stuff, have you even looked in a women oriented magazine lately? It's far worse than this add and it's for women...

yepper
Neckbeards be neckbeardin'

[stealthraccoon]

Once this map comes out I’m rage quitting any game that doesn’t play on it.

[Appogee]

I simply cannot be bothered arguing about this.

In retrospect, trying to make a a nuanced point about gender stereotyping in a Mechwarrior forum was doomed to failure from the outset.

As I said earlier, it's up to Tina how she chooses to be portrayed, and it's up to her employer whether they ask her to appear on billboards in Space Vegas, or hang medals around the necks of tournament winners, or whatever.

How we react to that portrayal is also up to each of us.

But I'll opt out of the personal insulting, thanks. Have a nice day, everyone.

Edited by Appogee, 10 December 2017 - 11:50 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Appogee, on 10 December 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

I simply cannot be bothered arguing about this. As I said earlier, it's up to Tina how she chooses to be portrayed. How we react to that portrayal is also up to each of us.

It sure is, glad we can agree its actually not an issue.

[Wolfways]

Rampage, on 10 December 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

Is this really the new map? I mean, it can't be right?
I wouldn't put it past pgi but that is bad. It looks like a normal day in Vegas. Are the public still there?
It's not exactly a warzone.

[Revis Volek]

Wolfways, on 10 December 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Is this really the new map? I mean, it can't be right?
I wouldn't put it past pgi but that is bad. It looks like a normal day in Vegas. Are the public still there?
It's not exactly a warzone.

I mean if i saw some giant stomp robots coming into my hood i dont think i could be bothered to turns the lights off.


Hell, even the cat is on its own at that point.

[Damnedtroll]

Wolfways, on 10 December 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Is this really the new map? I mean, it can't be right?
I wouldn't put it past pgi but that is bad. It looks like a normal day in Vegas. Are the public still there?
It's not exactly a warzone.

Well, no place is a warzone until a war rage in...

[Bud Crue]

Map may be great, but weren't folks asking for, a dense urban environment...close confines, not a lot of verticality to allow the brawling and low hard point mechs to finally have a reason to exist (Cataphracts, et al), etc...this thing look at least as open as Rubelite if not more so. Beggars can't be choosers I guess. Still yay for a new map, and all.

Edited by Bud Crue, 10 December 2017 - 12:21 PM.

[Garran Tana]

Bud Crue, on 10 December 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Map may be great, but weren't folks asking for, a dense urban environment...close confines, not a lot of verticality to allow the brawling and low hard point mechs to finally have a reason to exist (Cataphracts, et al), etc...this think look at least as open as Rubelite if not more so. Beggars can't be choosers I guess. Still yay new map, and all.

I'm a bit worried that it will be not the city fight map that me, and a lot of other people are hoping for, but it's to early to say as this clip was too hectic and short.