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[Bud Crue]

Can we get this thread pinned?

Its got everything! A clear indictment of the state of CW, petty bickering, unworkable pie-in-the-sky solutions being proposed, petty bickering, sexism, resignation as to the state of the game, defeatism and the recognition that CW will never get any better becaue PGI just doesn’t care, and still more petty bickering.

It is the perfect thread for a slow Friday before a holiday weekend, and it should be preserved as a guide for properly entertaining forum warrioring for all time.

Edited by Bud Crue, 29 December 2017 - 07:18 AM.

[El Bandito]

PFC Carsten, on 29 December 2017 - 05:53 AM, said:

That's a great story. I wish more people were like you!

The whole experience of going through a period of getting stomped repeatedly as a solo pug in 2015, to actually learning to play the mode instead of getting played by the mode by 2017, had made me realize why solo pugs should not be complaining about getting thrown to the sharks in FP. I suspect my main opposition in this thread comes from such solo pugs.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 December 2017 - 07:22 AM.

[naterist]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

The whole experience of going through a period of getting stomped repeatedly as a solo pug in 2015, to actually learning to play the mode instead of getting played by the mode by 2017, had made me realize why solo pugs should not be complaining about getting thrown to the sharks in FP. I suspect my main opposition in this thread comes from such solo pugs.

aw shiggity, he came back. i thought you left after having nothing useful to say.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

naterist, on 29 December 2017 - 07:24 AM, said:

aw shiggity, he came back. i thought you left after having nothing useful to say.

He never left, he just said talking with you was pointless.

[Nema Nabojiv]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

The whole experience of going through a period of getting stomped repeatedly as a solo pug in 2015, to actually learning to play the mode instead of getting played by the mode by 2017, had made me realize why solo pugs should not be complaining about getting thrown to the sharks in FP. I suspect my main opposition in this thread comes from such solo pugs.

So, you went from having your own traumatizing expirience to giving traumatizing experience to others.

I've heard untreated victims of child abuse are more likely to abuse their own children because that's somehow "makes them strong". It is very disturbing that Faction Play leads to the same behavior.

[Bombast]

Nema Nabojiv, on 29 December 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

I've heard untreated victims of child abuse are more likely to abuse their own children because that's somehow "makes them strong". It is very disturbing that Faction Play leads to the same behavior.

Ok, that was uncalled for.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Nema Nabojiv, on 29 December 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

So, you went from having your own traumatizing expirience to giving traumatizing experience to others.

I've heard untreated victims of child abuse are more likely to abuse their own children because that's somehow "makes them strong". It is very disturbing that Faction Play leads to the same behavior.

>comparing practicing and getting good at your hobby to child abuse.

wo nice logic bro

[Khobai]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 01:49 AM, said:

FP is a mode tailor made for units.

then there should be no problem with having separate buckets

if its tailor made for units, then units fighting other units should be the norm.

and let the pugs fight other pugs...


so were in agreement, separate buckets. because separate buckets promotes the idea that FW is tailor made for units by forcing units to fight other units.

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So, you went from having your own traumatizing expirience to giving traumatizing experience to others.

exactly. going from being clubbed to being one of the clubbers doesnt solve the problem.

if the problem was solved, nobody would be getting clubbed in the first place.

Edited by Khobai, 29 December 2017 - 07:46 AM.

[McGoat]

This is rich.

[Alexandra Hekmatyar]

You know the greatest joy of being a drop caller in faction is to emerge victorious against units like MS with just a bunch of casuals and semi-competitive players is a wonderful feeling even if it doesn't happen often.
Rolling over without going out with a blaze of glory does exactly the opposite for me.
Kudos to the person who actually put up a fight while others were just freaking potatoes.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Khobai, on 29 December 2017 - 07:40 AM, said:

then there should be no problem with having separate buckets

if its tailormade for units then units fighting other units makes sense to me.

and let the pugs fight other pugs.

Haven't you been listening to us all asking for pugs to be removed from our queues? We're already on board with that, the problem is getting PGI to just split the queues *and keep them split for more than 3 days*. We've been saying the same thing for too many years now.

[naterist]

Dakota1000, on 29 December 2017 - 07:32 AM, said:

He never left, he just said talking with you was pointless.

theres about the same point in talking to me as there was in posting this to begin with.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Bombast, on 29 December 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

Ok, that was uncalled for.

You probably rigth. I feel slightly guilty for that. But he exposed himself to all kinds of trolling with this thread, so I just couldn't miss the opportunity.
I am sorry if it was too much.

[jss78]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

The whole experience of going through a period of getting stomped repeatedly as a solo pug in 2015, to actually learning to play the mode instead of getting played by the mode by 2017, had made me realize why solo pugs should not be complaining about getting thrown to the sharks in FP. I suspect my main opposition in this thread comes from such solo pugs.

Well, for my part, I played FP quite a lot ~two years ago. Both in big groups, and solo. What I'll say that WHEN FP was group-vs-group or solo-vs-solo, it was GREAT, the best MWO experience I've ever had.

However from where I'm standing, PGI really needed to make a choice. Is it going to be for big groups or solos? The mixture of the two is a completely non-viable gaming product. EITHER choice (12-mans only, or solo, possibly with small groups included) would've been fine. EITHER choice would've made some people angry, but would've resulted in a viable product. PGI, alas, lacked vision and did ... jack sh*t. Like many others, I left and never came back.

I'll also say, I've never been the convinced that the big groups in FP are sincerely looking for a good game. Come on now, anyone who's been around and knows human nature can see through this. FP has been like this for years, everyone knows what it's like, and you're still there. I wonder why? If you enjoy it, just admit it -- but this after-the-fact rationalization is lame.

Edited by jss78, 29 December 2017 - 07:51 AM.

[Khobai]

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Haven't you been listening to us all asking for pugs to be removed from our queues? We're already on board with that, the problem is getting PGI to just split the queues *and keep them split for more than 3 days*. We've been saying the same thing for too many years now.

I have been listening. but your voice of reason isnt shared by everyone. theres fierce opposition from the people who actually enjoy sealclubbing.

theyre the ones constantly making excuses like:

"PGI tried that once before and it didnt work"

"wait times will be too long"

"pugs should use voice comms and theyll be just as gud"

"pugs should git gud before they play FW"

"FW is for units pugs deserve to lose"

its a load of crap. they just want to maintain the status quo of sealclubbing.

Edited by Khobai, 29 December 2017 - 07:59 AM.

[Asym]

STOP... This isn't entertaining nor informative: it's the symptom of the current state of this game that is de-evolving into chaos.

"We reap what we sow" and the OP's experience isn't even remotely new. FP is and has been dead since I joined in Feb 2017.

The teams that farm and club have forgotten what FP it is suppose to be.... They don't care. The elite teams could care less. If they really did, you'd see them front and center making a statement........and yet, the silence is overwhelming... They enjoy what they do and that is a terrible thing.....

OP, for the record, what happened in FP is discussed in Escort QP everyday. If there was an eject button in QP, we'd be taking about Escort TK's and ejects.....

OP, for the record, I tried FP and joined a team. The entire team (56 players) do not drop as a team and haven't since May-June.... Some participate individualy or in small groups but we, haven't since... Let that sink in. Entire teams have rejected FP behavior and have "ejected" from the gameplay platform..............

The rest of you that think this is an opportunity to bash people, well, if this is where MWO is, it's a wonder there is a game at all.... You'all should be ashamed of yourselves.

"We are either together in this endeavor to fight for the hard right or individually we fail against the easy wrong..." Ejecting enmass is wrong but, it may be the only way to fix the behaviors created by those who ply and relish the "easy wrong".....by simply giving those teams no one to farm and when Solaris rolls in, they will implode because then, they are 1x1/2x2 with those whom they have farmed......wonder how long they'll last??? You reap what you sow.

[El Bandito]

jss78, on 29 December 2017 - 07:48 AM, said:

I'll also say, I've never been the convinced that the big groups in FP are sincerely looking for a good game. Come on now, anyone who's been around and knows human nature can see through this. FP has been like this for years, everyone knows what it's like, and you're still there. I wonder why? If you enjoy it, just admit it -- but this after-the-fact rationalization is lame.

I enjoyed FP when I was a pug, and I am enjoying it even more after I joined units. Not cause I can stomp pugs now, but getting into a good sized unit offers socialization--the corner stone of any player retention.

Asym, on 29 December 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

STOP... This isn't entertaining nor informative: it's the symptom of the current state of this game that is de-evolving into chaos.

"We reap what we sow" and the OP's experience isn't even remotely new. FP is and has been dead since I joined in Feb 2017.

Except FP is still alive, and still plodding along. Even during days without events, (MS) still get drops during prime time.

Khobai, on 29 December 2017 - 07:40 AM, said:

exactly. going from being clubbed to being one of the clubbers doesnt solve the problem.

if the problem was solved, nobody would be getting clubbed in the first place.

Except it solved my problem--which is getting clubbed. Now if only these whiners can solve their problems... Getting accused by pugs of hacking, or using OP Clantech/extra IS tonnage is becoming too repetitive, when organization is the key to everything.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 December 2017 - 08:14 AM.

[Dago Red]

jss78, on 29 December 2017 - 07:48 AM, said:

Well, for my part, I played FP quite a lot ~two years ago. Both in big groups, and solo. What I'll say that WHEN FP was group-vs-group or solo-vs-solo, it was GREAT, the best MWO experience I've ever had.

However from where I'm standing, PGI really needed to make a choice. Is it going to be for big groups or solos? The mixture of the two is a completely non-viable gaming product. EITHER choice (12-mans only, or solo, possibly with small groups included) would've been fine. EITHER choice would've made some people angry, but would've resulted in a viable product. PGI, alas, lacked vision and did ... jack sh*t. Like many others, I left and never came back.

I'll also say, I've never been the convinced that the big groups in FP are sincerely looking for a good game. Come on now, anyone who's been around and knows human nature can see through this. FP has been like this for years, everyone knows what it's like, and you're still there. I wonder why? If you enjoy it, just admit it -- but this after-the-fact rationalization is lame.

Ok let me walk you through a "big group pug seal clubber" night from my experience. Been a few months but the routine's stayed the same for years.

Like 4-5 guys from one unit decide they want to do some CW but don't have enough to make a full team so they start rattling cages in the FRR hub looking for people who are game starting from the try hard units with a few people on and working down from there. Eventually they hit my bunch (1St Hussars BTW) who on our best days can shoot straight and are just sober enough to follow orders stated in words of two syllables or less.

The net result is usually 3 try hards, 5 middle of the road players, 2 perma tier 4's, and 2 Kiwi's.

We hit the just like whatever man button and get whoever we get. Usually a ratio of 2/5's we're the seal, 1/5th a legit evenly matched game, and 2/5ths we're the club. If we have a really good drop caller the club to seal ratio improves and if we don't have one at all it gets worse.

Repeat until everyone's too drunk or burned out to pop another game off.

SINISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PFC Carsten]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

The whole experience of going through a period of getting stomped repeatedly as a solo pug in 2015, to actually learning to play the mode instead of getting played by the mode by 2017, had made me realize why solo pugs should not be complaining about getting thrown to the sharks in FP. I suspect my main opposition in this thread comes from such solo pugs.

You suspect opposition, when it's only players who want to improve the game for everyone. Maybe that's part of the problem too?

[Khobai]

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Except it solved my problem--which is getting clubbed. Now if only these whiners can solve their problems...

even if it were possible, forcing every pug to join a unit is not going to prevent seal clubbing. youll just end up with a bunch of terrible units filled with former pugs that get seal clubbed anyway.

at least if you separate out pugs from premades you can avoid that.