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[NyxSilence]

Metus regem, on 01 March 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

cool shots?

If you look in the original pic there doesn't seem to be one equipped.

[Scout Derek]

Metus regem, on 01 March 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

cool shots?

he posted a screenshot. mech had no coolshots.

[Bombast]

NyxSilence, on 01 March 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

If you look in the original pic there doesn't seem to be one equipped.

Can't trust that, Metachanic. I can't count how many time people spectating me have screamed over VOIP for me to drop artillery/Air Strikes that I do not possess.

As others have said though, it's probably not necessary.

Edited by Bombast, 01 March 2018 - 09:47 AM.

[K O Z A K]

NyxSilence, on 01 March 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

OKAY. That being the case: how does he fire 4 times in a row after that? Without stopping/overheating/override? That's where my problem in lies.

things don't always happen exactly the way you remember them? it's around 40% heat alpha build on grim, depending on exact skill tree setup, you can fire it 3 times in a row before overheating, 4 with coolshot. It's certainly pretty cool compared to a high alpha clan vomit mech, but at the cost of damage

[Roland09]

Spectating still messes up displaying weapon groups and consumables.

[Variant1]

i dunno seems the screenshot was taken as he shot .1 secound before the actual heat showed. Seems fake, if we had a video on teh other hand of him alphaing and then the heat staying at 15% then i would be more inclined to agree with op. Until then id have to assume this screenshot was rigged (taken split second before actual heat)

[Jay Leon Hart]

OK, so I wasted 3 mil testing this (I now own a useless STD 325 engine)

The 'mech

The (relevant) skills

36-38% per Alpha (it varies, probably ping)

Can *just* manage 4 Alphas without shutting down

[Edit] Missed a duration node in the 1st link! [/Edit]

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 01 March 2018 - 10:49 AM.

[Bombast]

Variant1, on 01 March 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

Seems fake

Don't worry, I know how to handle this.

[Asym]

WOW..... I want one with these capabilities....

Let me ask a questions: Could someone use outside software to manipulate energy weapons like FireControl does with ballistics?

Just curious.....

[K O Z A K]

Asym, on 01 March 2018 - 11:04 AM, said:

WOW..... I want one with these capabilities....

Let me ask a questions: Could someone use outside software to manipulate energy weapons like FireControl does with ballistics?

Just curious.....

don't see how, fire control just lets you provide the game with perfectly timed mouse/keyboard inputs, not sure how that would help with alpha strike energy boats

[r4zen]

Hazeclaw, on 01 March 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

don't see how, fire control just lets you provide the game with perfectly timed mouse/keyboard inputs, not sure how that would help with alpha strike energy boats

you have to use AutoCAD with it to activate the secret energy draw which lets you use the mouse cursor to draw where you want your heat to be on any given alpha

it's pretty much not worth the effort though, it requires foot pedals and a tongue activated switch (for which you'll need a helmet or throat mic)

[Lykaon]

NyxSilence, on 01 March 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

I am so done with this. Really pgi? Really? Is this what we're doing? This is the 3rd time I've seen a build like this and it functions. Full laser boat and he alphas the WHOLE GAME and generates 15% heat a volley? No **** that. Fix clan. I'm so tired of this so-called balancing they are doing there.

I am going to make a few assumptions on the specifics of that Warhammer build beyond the obvious.

I will assume a 325 LFE
Endo steel and 432 points of standard armor
That will leave us with room and tonnage to get up to 19 DHS after accounting for the weapon payload visable in the screenshot.

This will leave us with a mech that has a listed 36% heat efficency on Smurfy and we can also look at the Warhammer 6D quirks list and see it has NO quirks to enhance energy heat levels. It has a 10% energy range and a PPC velocity quirk but no heat efficency for energy weapons.

So we have a 36% heat efficency with an alpha strike damage of 47.

Or....

Hellbringer with 2 heavy large lasers 6 ER medium lasers and ECM that has a 33% heat efficency and an alpha strike of SEVENTY EIGHT!


So 31 more damage at a cost of a measly 3% heat...AND it's got ECM and a higher top speed.

Really...Like for reals these are actual numbers and in this instance the Clan mech just does it better.

[K O Z A K]

r4zen, on 01 March 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

you have to use AutoCAD with it to activate the secret energy draw which lets you use the mouse cursor to draw where you want your heat to be on any given alpha

it's pretty much not worth the effort though, it requires foot pedals and a tongue activated switch (for which you'll need a helmet or throat mic)

I heard the comp guys have been working on a new secret meta prototype to make the system more user friendly:

Edited by Hazeclaw, 01 March 2018 - 11:41 AM.

[Scyther]

Clanners tend to panic once an IS mech gets around two-thirds as good as theirs.

[TWIAFU]

El Bandito, on 01 March 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

OMG PEOPLE, CLAN ER LARGE LASERS DO NOT COST ANY HEAT! OP OP OP NERF NERF NERF!

HAX!

Blue lazorz cause no heat!


Nerf IS!

Ban Bandito!

Impeach the Oompaloompa!

[Lykaon]

Scout Derek, on 01 March 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

he posted a screenshot. mech had no coolshots.

Then he is incorrect on the number of shots within his stated time because it's just not possible to for this mech to do what he claims....

But on a side note if it actually could do what he claims it would almost be a as good as hellbring laser vomit build...almost...

[Sjorpha]

Asym, on 01 March 2018 - 11:04 AM, said:

Let me ask a questions: Could someone use outside software to manipulate energy weapons like FireControl does with ballistics?

Just curious.....

One thing you can do with a macro is group IS LL/ERLL with LPL, if you start firing the LPLs exactly 500ms after the LL/ERLL they will end their duration at the same time, circumventing the ghost heat limit. I use this on the Battlemaster 1G with 3LL+3LPL.

You can also do it on clan mechs with HLL+cLPL.

Basically any regular laser + pulse laser of the same class can be used this way. ML+MPL and so on.

[Internal Obedience XIII-omega]

There's a hidden quirk in the -6D.
-Berserker Mode
When critical warning is flashing, all heat generated by an alpha strike is ignored.

I could be wrong

[Jack Booted Thug]

No, not really

[Grus]

NyxSilence, on 01 March 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

I am so done with this. Really pgi? Really? Is this what we're doing? This is the 3rd time I've seen a build like this and it functions. Full laser boat and he alphas the WHOLE GAME and generates 15% heat a volley? No **** that. Fix clan. I'm so tired of this so-called balancing they are doing there.

Notices hes got 15mill to spend*

might just buy a WHM and test this.