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[Nightbird]

Khobai, on 23 June 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

So lets separate out solo stats from group stats and see whats what. Well be able to see then if people perform drastically better in group queue than solo queue.

Community has asked many times

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Mystere, on 23 June 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

Well, you know what happened the last time something (i.e. someone) was put to a vote.

But it wasn't a popular vote.

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Aloha, on 23 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

That statement is untrue. It's 26 pages of discussion, not all one-sided. That's why there should be a vote. Then we'll know for sure what the concensus are.

No it isn't a discussion. It's not going to happen.

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S O L A I S, on 23 June 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

No it isn't a discussion. It's not going to happen.

Yes it is. (Two can play that game.)

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Khobai, on 23 June 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

what the hell are you talking about? Playing as a team should not be OP just because one side got a big group of 6-8 and the other side got a bunch of smaller groups of 2-4. MM should be putting similar sized groups on both teams to balance things out. Which it currently fails miserably to do.

2 mans in solo queue would be absolutely fine if you followed my restrictions (max one group per team, and if one team gets a group the other team also gets a group)

yes group queue will have longer queue times without 2 mans. but 2 mans would also be freed of the toxicity of group queue. well worth the tradeoff. I suppose you could also allow 2 mans to choose solo or group queue and if they chose group queue it would be at their own peril.

of course adding dinosaurs is silly. thats the whole point. but it would attract tons of new players to the game, a game which has lost half its player base in the last 18 months... this game is going to continue to die slowly if it doesnt do something to get new players. dwindling player populations combined with too many buckets is just going to exacerbate the existing problems.

Except that it is because those 6-8 beat a bunch of little groups. Not a real question as to why.

And no they would not be fine. Matchmaker would then have to match that with all of the other issues that it already is struggling with. So no you are wrong and if you have any further questions go read the thread Paul posted about MM not that long ago.

Group queue is also not toxic. Generally it is the losing folks that are toxic time and time again.

Aloha, on 23 June 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

Yes it is. (Two can play that game.)

Not a game there are solid reasons. Likely you will never be able to grasp them.

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S O L A I S, on 23 June 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

Not a game there are solid reasons. Likely you will never be able to grasp them.

My reply was aimed at your claim that this isn't a discussion. We are, after all, in the General Discussion forum.

Grasping your reasons and agreeing with them are different things, but your mind is already closed.

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Aloha, on 23 June 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

My reply was aimed at your claim that this isn't a discussion. We are, after all, in the General Discussion forum.

Grasping your reasons and agreeing with them are different things, but your mind is already closed.

This is has been beaten to death.

There was a recent explanation detailing MM issues in quick play.

You can keep arguing but there is no discussion here. It has been dealt with and explained already. So continue arguing like an angry child I don't care.

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S O L A I S, on 23 June 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

This is has been beaten to death.

There was a recent explanation detailing MM issues in quick play.

You can keep arguing but there is no discussion here. It has been dealt with and explained already. So continue arguing like an angry child I don't care.

mmm... I'm not angry, and I'm not arguing. I'm making replies to your replies, in our General Discussion Forum. Paul's MM post does not address the possibility of adding a duo into the QP (and it's Quick Play, not Solo) queue. I would also like to see the GP queue allowing a solo if they opt-in. I think that will ease the wait time by making it possible for a group of 11 to still play and lessen the wait time in some cases.

[Quxudica]

a le Roi, on 14 June 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

Currently, if you're in a group of 2-4 people, like you would be if you're just playing quick play with a couple of friends, the wait times can be insanely long.

10-15 minutes for a match that lasts a few minutes is not viable in the long run, as it discourages playing with friends vs. playing solo.

Meanwhile, that group of 2-4 in a random quick play match would not be terribly unbalancing. A solo player with a mic and charisma can cause far more lopsided results in quick play than a small band of merry friends that don't communicate with the rest of the team.

So, in short, enabling those 2-4 person groups to play in the same queue as solo players would
1) Shorten wait times for all
2) Make quick play matches no less balanced
3) Increase the game's attractiveness, which would eventually help with the player base

Please consider making that change, for your sake and for the sake of all of us non-unit players.

Groups of two players would be fine if limited to no more than 1 group of two per team. No more than that though. Groups of three or more, or multiple groups of two, would severely imbalance the game for solo players.. It's already rare enough for solo players to actually get fun games.

[Khobai]

S O L A I S, on 23 June 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

Except that it is because those 6-8 beat a bunch of little groups. Not a real question as to why.

obviously. and when the game constantly allows that its the same thing as stacking the game. those 6-8 mans that should only be winning 50% of their games if we had a proper matchmaker are winning like 90% of their games instead.

dont tell me thats not toxic lmao.

if the game puts a 6-8 man on one team its irresponsible not to put a similar sized group on the other team. you dont match them up against a bunch of 2-3 man groups. Thats not how you produce balanced matchups.


and yeah a max of one 2 man per team would not really affect solo queue in any appreciable way. And has the upside of allowing people to play with a friend without having to suffer through being in the group queue. Being in a 2 man in group queue is a miserable experience, why do you want to keep forcing that on people, its why they quit the game because they cant enjoy playing the game with a friend.

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Dinosaur consumable? Red smoke followed by a swarm of raptors, or a T-Rex out of no where, or a bunch of pterodactyls carry off an enemy?

lol

streaks would be good vs pterodactyls

other weapons would have trouble pitching up to hit them

Edited by Khobai, 23 June 2018 - 03:04 PM.

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Khobai, on 23 June 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

obviously. and when the game constantly allows that its the same thing as stacking the game. those 6-8 mans that should only be winning 50% of their games if we had a proper matchmaker are winning like 90% of their games instead.

dont tell me thats not toxic lmao.

if the game puts a 6-8 man on one team its irresponsible not to put a similar sized group on the other team. you dont match them up against a bunch of 2-3 man groups. Thats not how you produce balanced matchups.


and yeah a max of one 2 man per team would not really affect solo queue in any appreciable way. And has the upside of allowing people to play with a friend without having to suffer through being in the group queue. Being in a 2 man in group queue is a miserable experience, why do you want to keep forcing that on people, its why they quit the game because they cant enjoy playing the game with a friend.



lol

streaks would be good vs pterodactyls

other weapons would have trouble pitching up to hit them

That is obvious to you with whatever logic you are trying to use I guess. Thing is this is a low pop game with huge skill gap. It is also or at least should be by this point years down the line, that 8 orgainised people have an advantage over a bunch of 2 who most likely will play supporting their buddy instead of playing as an entire team. None of this should be new to you.

It should also be clear to you that winning is not toxic. Toxicity is behaviour based, not game mechanics/play based. There are lots of sore winners but the loudest and most toxic in this community is the no fair, everyone's hacking, PGI make it so I can win despite how terrible I am crew.

Proper matchmaker? Proper PSR would help matchmaker and again a population large enough to put real tier one's against real tier ones and so on.

You also refuse to accept or even talk to the point that Paul recently outlined issues with matchmaker. Just from that, adding an additional variable would absolutely affect wait times. Also it ignores that in quick play two organised players, especially if decent will have an advantage. I'll use two guys I know and play the game with every day, Fusion and Reckless. Putting them on a side in quick play would undeniably be OP if Proton and Bowser were not the other group of two on the opposite side.

So yes two would appreciably and often effect the outcome and on top of that it would stress the matchmaker further. So no, this can and will never happen. I imagine Paul chuckling if ever brought up to him.

Finally group queue is miserable for those who can't compete as a two man, and then get upset about it. It's fine for many others including those who aren't great but are willing to learn and try. There's many reasons people quit, it is not an excuse to throw a wrench into the wheel.

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Khobai, on 23 June 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

You can basically stack matches by putting 6-8 really good players on one team while the other team gets a bunch of random 2-3 mans of dubious skill level.

I guess that's exactly what happens in GQ, so yet another reason why GQ sucks for average player.

[Vxheous]

Vesper11, on 23 June 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

I guess that's exactly what happens in GQ, so yet another reason why GQ sucks for average player.

I beat 6-8 mans all the time with a 2-4 man, to the point where these 6-8man's disband and sync drop solo queue, or log out for the night. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, it doesn't prove anything.

End of the day, good players beat bad players. Most "large groups" in GP are average players at best, which utilize easy teamwork strats to win (crab rushes, nova rushes, 3+ piranha + couple assault rushes). There's maybe 2-3 large groups that are exceptional, like when 228 BW get finished with their private lobby practice and drop 2-3 matches as an 8 man in group queue b4 half of them log out for the night. Rest of these groups can be beat with focused fire from smaller groups with higher tonnage.

Edited by Vxheous, 23 June 2018 - 06:20 PM.

[Brain Cancer]

Mystere, on 19 June 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

Sharks will just create alts to swim in the kiddie pool.

They already do.

[Vxheous]

Brain Cancer, on 23 June 2018 - 09:43 PM, said:

They already do.

lol, juju aimed better with his foot than 90% of the population with their hand.

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S O L A I S, on 23 June 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

But it's 26 pages trying to get because a few people to understand why it is no are vehemently opposed to it and won't give up their position no matter what reasons are posted to support it.

Fixed that for you

Edited by Dogstar, 23 June 2018 - 11:26 PM.

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Dogstar, on 23 June 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

Fixed that for you

There are fewer people in support of it and there is only one reason people want it.

[Vesper11]

Vxheous, on 23 June 2018 - 06:10 PM, said:

I beat 6-8 mans all the time with a 2-4 man, to the point where these 6-8man's disband and sync drop solo queue, or log out for the night. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, it doesn't prove anything.

End of the day, good players beat bad players. Most "large groups" in GP are average players at best, which utilize easy teamwork strats to win (crab rushes, nova rushes, 3+ piranha + couple assault rushes). There's maybe 2-3 large groups that are exceptional, like when 228 BW get finished with their private lobby practice and drop 2-3 matches as an 8 man in group queue b4 half of them log out for the night. Rest of these groups can be beat with focused fire from smaller groups with higher tonnage.

Implying tonnage means anything in no MM, no tonnage, nothing GQ.
Implying your anecdotal evidence is better than logic.

p.s. and yet people are afraid of 2mans when they can easily take out large groups, wew

Chortles, on 23 June 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

There are fewer people in support of it and there is only one reason people want it.

Most people, like 95% at least don't even visit forums, guess who those are.

Edited by Vesper11, 24 June 2018 - 12:05 AM.

[Vxheous]

Vesper11, on 24 June 2018 - 12:05 AM, said:

Implying tonnage means anything in no MM, no tonnage, nothing GQ.
Implying your anecdotal evidence is better than logic.

p.s. and yet people are afraid of 2mans when they can easily take out large groups, wew

Most people, like 95% at least don't even visit forums, guess who those are.

I'm trying to follow your logic here, you're wondering why people are afraid of 2 mans in solo, when there are 2 mans in group queue that punch far above their weight?

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Vxheous, on 24 June 2018 - 12:16 AM, said:

I'm trying to follow your logic here, you're wondering why people are afraid of 2 mans in solo, when there are 2 mans in group queue that punch far above their weight?

Meh, I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand, I can't bring just one other new person with me into group and expect them to have a good experience and that kind of sucks.

On the other hand, you're right. You absolutely smash us 9 out of 10 times (thats a generous estimate) when its just the two of you in GQ. Definitely a thrill any time we can win against you guys.


I think we can all agree that NPE sucks, but enabling more seal clubbing is only going to make it worse.